a reply to: arpgme
Because Isaiah 14:12 has nothing to do with Jesus which is why I didn't mention it. Isaiah 14 is speaking against Babylon and its king
(Nebuchadnezzar). You even admitted that Heylel is only uncertainly translated as Lucifer. Phosphoros, as Jesus is called in the original Greek of 2
Peter 1:19, literally means Lightbearer in English, which is Lucifer in Latin.
Sorry for the confusion but I understood that from your introduction that the word “Lucifer” was the main issue in conjunction with light or
phosphorus. Being that Lucifer is used only once in the entire bible I understand the word as being a substitute for an unknown entity or subject
You have written --
“2 Peter 1:19 admits in the original Greek that Jesus is Phosphoros, which is the Greek word for the Latin word Lucifer meaning Light-Bearer. There
is a deception for people to associate the name Lucifer, meaning Light-Bearer, as darkness.”
Not being contentious but the word phosphorus cannot be the Greek word for the Latin word Lucifer when the word Lucifer does not truly exist as a
word. Lucifer is a factitious name written in Latin in trying to explain another factitious name Heylel.
It has been accepted, by many, that Jesus is regarded as a morning star or light bearer and is the same as the name “Lucifer” as described in
Isaiah 14:12. This original fictitious Lucifer (Latin) is the same fictitious Heylel (Hebrew) which is described in Isaiah 14:12.
The problem comes in understanding that the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 14 :12 is not that of any other mainstream bible on the market.
Eth Cepher - YESHA'YAHU - Isaiah 14:12
How are you fallen from Heaven O Heylel, son of the howling morning! how are you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations!
KJV - Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
You see the word howling in the original Hebrew? That word entails an altogether different meaning to (???????) being a son of the (???????)
morning. The reason that the Christian translators left the word “howling” out of translation was that neither they or the Hebrew scholars know
what it means.
English translation from original texts used by the church of Greece – L.C.L. Brenton
ESAIAS / ΗΣΑΪΑΣ – Isaiah 14:12
(12) How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven! He that sent [orders] to all the nations is crushed to the earth.
By this you can see how it came about as to be construed that this son of God in Isaiah 14:12 came to be connected with Jesus. This has then been
said that Lucifer and Jesus are either one and the same or connected in some way. This son, who I believe became a Satan, was given the name of
identification as Heylel in Hebrew and renamed Lucifer in Latin and is that very one who Jesus saw fall from heaven.
Now in conjunction with this is that the Jewish scholars must deny that this Heylel or Lucifer or Satan is a son of sin or darkness simply because
their doctrine forbids the thought that any angelic creation can sin. The angelic creation is incapable of sin and the Satan is a contractor of God.
Just the opposite of what Christianity teaches. So when the translators came to the name "Heylel" and asked the Jewish scholars the meaning, what
were they supposed to say? That He was of the angelic creation? No because then that would destroy their doctrine.
Luke 10:18 And he (Jesus) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Now comes the hard part. If Jesus saw Satan fall from heaven and if this Satan was the Heylel or Lucifer then we have a problem do we not? How many
Satan's were noted as being cast from heaven?
I have read many times where this has been cited here on ATS and have remained silent till now. I do believe that this serves and injustice to the
Begotten Son of God (Yahusha or Jesus) as being a Satan called Lucifer and perhaps a study made of this to show the entire matter.
What do you think?