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The Real Lucifer - Jesus Christ and how to shine The Light of Enlightenment

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posted on May, 19 2015 @ 11:00 PM
a reply to: Seede

Because Isaiah 14:12 has nothing to do with Jesus which is why I didn't mention it. Isaiah 14 is speaking against Babylon and its king (Nebuchadnezzar).

You even admitted that Heylel is only uncertainly translated as Lucifer.

Phosphoros, as Jesus is called in the original Greek of 2 Peter 1:19, literally means Lightbearer in English, which is Lucifer in Latin.

Regardless of why Jesus was saying it to the Jews, he still said " ye are Gods" as if it were true in John 10:34.

edit on 19-5-2015 by arpgme because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 20 2015 @ 12:10 PM
a reply to: arpgme

Because Isaiah 14:12 has nothing to do with Jesus which is why I didn't mention it. Isaiah 14 is speaking against Babylon and its king (Nebuchadnezzar). You even admitted that Heylel is only uncertainly translated as Lucifer. Phosphoros, as Jesus is called in the original Greek of 2 Peter 1:19, literally means Lightbearer in English, which is Lucifer in Latin.

Sorry for the confusion but I understood that from your introduction that the word “Lucifer” was the main issue in conjunction with light or phosphorus. Being that Lucifer is used only once in the entire bible I understand the word as being a substitute for an unknown entity or subject matter.

You have written --
“2 Peter 1:19 admits in the original Greek that Jesus is Phosphoros, which is the Greek word for the Latin word Lucifer meaning Light-Bearer. There is a deception for people to associate the name Lucifer, meaning Light-Bearer, as darkness.”

Not being contentious but the word phosphorus cannot be the Greek word for the Latin word Lucifer when the word Lucifer does not truly exist as a word. Lucifer is a factitious name written in Latin in trying to explain another factitious name Heylel.

It has been accepted, by many, that Jesus is regarded as a morning star or light bearer and is the same as the name “Lucifer” as described in Isaiah 14:12. This original fictitious Lucifer (Latin) is the same fictitious Heylel (Hebrew) which is described in Isaiah 14:12.

The problem comes in understanding that the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 14 :12 is not that of any other mainstream bible on the market.

Eth Cepher - YESHA'YAHU - Isaiah 14:12
How are you fallen from Heaven O Heylel, son of the howling morning! how are you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations!

KJV - Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

You see the word howling in the original Hebrew? That word entails an altogether different meaning to (???????) being a son of the (???????) morning. The reason that the Christian translators left the word “howling” out of translation was that neither they or the Hebrew scholars know what it means.

English translation from original texts used by the church of Greece – L.C.L. Brenton
ESAIAS / ΗΣΑΪΑΣ – Isaiah 14:12
(12) How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven! He that sent [orders] to all the nations is crushed to the earth.

By this you can see how it came about as to be construed that this son of God in Isaiah 14:12 came to be connected with Jesus. This has then been said that Lucifer and Jesus are either one and the same or connected in some way. This son, who I believe became a Satan, was given the name of identification as Heylel in Hebrew and renamed Lucifer in Latin and is that very one who Jesus saw fall from heaven.

Now in conjunction with this is that the Jewish scholars must deny that this Heylel or Lucifer or Satan is a son of sin or darkness simply because their doctrine forbids the thought that any angelic creation can sin. The angelic creation is incapable of sin and the Satan is a contractor of God. Just the opposite of what Christianity teaches. So when the translators came to the name "Heylel" and asked the Jewish scholars the meaning, what were they supposed to say? That He was of the angelic creation? No because then that would destroy their doctrine.

Luke 10:18 And he (Jesus) said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Now comes the hard part. If Jesus saw Satan fall from heaven and if this Satan was the Heylel or Lucifer then we have a problem do we not? How many Satan's were noted as being cast from heaven?

I have read many times where this has been cited here on ATS and have remained silent till now. I do believe that this serves and injustice to the Begotten Son of God (Yahusha or Jesus) as being a Satan called Lucifer and perhaps a study made of this to show the entire matter.

What do you think?

posted on May, 20 2015 @ 09:27 PM
a reply to: Seede

Phosphoros is Greek, Lucifer is latin. The only difference is that the words "light bearer" happens to be different words in Greek/Latin.

Phos (Light) + Phoros (Bearer) = Greek

Luci (Light) + Fer (Bearer) = Latin (from Lucis + Fero)

So yes, 2 Peter 1:19 refers to Jesus as Lucifer.

Heylel does not mean "light bearer" in Hebrew so it doesn't mean Lucifer. It was only translated that way in the KJV Bible, but Heylel does not mean Light-Bearer as Phosphoros/Lucifer does.

posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 03:50 AM
The Latin word for "to carry" (as in carrying water, life, light) IS "fer;" but, the Latin word for "thief" is "fur." In a time when literacy was rare, it would be EXTREMELY easy for the two to be swapped - intentionally or unintentionally.... In my opinion, the negative connotations should refer to a "LucifUr," rather than to a LucifEr."

Within my spiritual belief path, the fallen archangel who was tossed out of the higher etheric realms, by Archangel Michael, "fell" due to being too prideful to serve the Creator's "children" - US... As the result of having been "cast out" of the Creator's hierarchy, he was cut off from the "light source" he and his followers needed to survive. As a substitute, they feed off of those who still receive "light" from the Creator, by promoting the darker emotions such as hatred, fear, lust, despair, etc. and the actions which result in those negative emotions. Hence, he and those who follow/ed him are "Light Thieves." Since it's much easier to "feed off of" those who have been denied a knowledge of their true heritage and have been taught that they're "nothing but a bunch of worthless sinners," the FALSE hierarchy has engendered as much confusion as possible over the centuries. One very key issue was promoting the removal of reincarnation within Christianity - leaving it with enough holes to drain spaghetti... (BTW, some references to it were overlooked and remain today, if one "has eyes to see.") Another was the adoption of the "Nicean Creed," implying that Jesus was the ONLY son of God, even though he was VERY clear to the contrary...

I'd go into more detail; but, it's WAY past my bed-time; and, if one were interested, it's explained better through the Open Door radio programs over on tsl dot org. I'm not all that good at encapsulating concepts all that concisely. I should note, however, that I "blindly follow" NO ONE! I stumbled across them almost 2 years ago; and, found that about 85% of what they teach just happens to correspond to what I determined "made sense to me" over the course of 50+ years of "spiritual seeking." Quite frankly, I really don't believe that the physical brain CAN fully comprehend the entirety of spiritual truth; so, at best, those who try to guide us have a task that's quite similar to trying to explain nuclear physics to a 4 year old...

posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 09:03 AM
a reply to: KathyR

FYI what is translated as Lucifer, Helel/Halal ben shachar means shining one, son of (the Canaanite god representing Venus in the morning) Shachar.

That's got nothing to do with Jesus or Satan. Most educated christians are aware Lucifer is a result of sloppy translation, and doesn't exist biblically.

posted on Feb, 8 2016 @ 09:50 AM
a reply to: Rasalghul
Let's look first at halal. I don't use Helel because it's spelled with EL on the end which would include the word God in translation, as does any word ending in EL. The accepted translation shining one, doesn't include the word God, so Halal I will go with.

You will not find any info about a historical Halal, so I would say it's the authors chosen, almost insultingly, way of referring to the human king he is talking to.

. Schahar and Schachar come from Canaanite astro-mythology. They are twins, one venus in the AM, the other PM. Venus, to many ancients, was apparently trying to ascend the heavens every morning, but every morning the sun would outshine it.

It's a metaphor, this human king he is talking to is being compared to the Canaanite myth, Isaiah is a very old book and the reference to Canaanite mythology means Isaiah knew about Canaans religion, was even a part of it worshipping El, who predates Israel itself.

Lucifer is one of the most hilarious examples of Christianity's lack of knowledge of Judaism, Jews never associated that verse with Satan. And don't believe Satan is a fallen angel, just a divine "worker" for God who is just doing his job.
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