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The Real Lucifer - Jesus Christ and how to shine The Light of Enlightenment

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posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 05:22 PM
2 Peter 1:19 admits in the original Greek that Jesus is Phosphoros, which is the Greek word for the Latin word Lucifer meaning Light-Bearer. There is a deception for people to associate the name Lucifer, meaning Light-Bearer, as darkness.

Jesus gave us The Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil. He taught us in Luke 6:43-44, how to tell the difference between good and evil. He said that the tree called "good" or "evil" is called that because it's known by its good or rotten fruits. He said men do no gather figs from thorns. Jesus taught us that to follow this divine knowledge is The Fruit of Life. Those who keep his word - his sayings - his teaching, will have eternal life. Jesus says in John 6:63 that his words are spirit and life. He said that whoever follow them will never see death in John 8:51.

Jesus said "Ye are gods" in John 10:34, but the pharisees saw this as blasphemy. Jesus taught people to pray by calling God "Our Father in Heaven", and he said in Luke 17:21 that The Kingdom of God is within us, not coming with a sign here or there. Jesus worked on the sabbath by healing people. The pharisees wanted to kill him since Exodus 31:14 says to kill those who work on the sabbath. In Matthew 15:11 and 15:18 Jesus said kosher laws don't matter because it is not what goes into you, but what comes out of you that makes you clean or unclean. In Matthew 12:7, Jesus also taught against the killing of the innocent, blood sacrifices, saying mercy is better than sacrifices and if the pharisees would have understood this, they would not have condemned the innocent.

It is obvious by these verses that Jesus did not follow the torah of yahweh. Yahweh, according to Genesis did not want humanity to have the fruit of knowledge of good and evil and tried to stop them from having the fruit of Life, but Jesus, the real Lucifer overcame him and brought these fruits to the worlds. Jesus told the pharisees in John 8:43-44, that they could not understand him because they followed their father, who is the devil, who was a murderer and liar since the beginning.

Paul was a pharisee working with Rome. He said in Rome 13 that the powers that be are all of God and that to resist will lead to damnation. Paul also said in Galatians 2:16 that we are justified by believing that Jesus's body was a human sacrifice for sins and not through doing good works. To Paul, taking action to follow The Roman Empire was more important than following God.

To yahweh who wanted to leave humanity in death, darkness, and ignorance; Jesus is satan. To the real Jesus, yahweh is satan the devil. Jesus is the real Lucifer. 13 represents him with his twelve disciples. Followers of yahweh are trying to rule the world, but Jesus warned us of the wolves and told us to be as Wise as Serpents and as Harmless as Dove in Matthew 10:16. He called us the light of the world and told us to shine our Light to glorify our Father in Heaven in Matthew 5:14-16. To turn the other cheek means to avoid being involved in conflict, so that YOU can be happy. It is not a teaching of weakness, but of strength to keep your peace and walk away.

The Bible is not 100% from Father because yahweh the devil is in it approving or slavery and wars, but The Gospel have a lot of Truth in it. Even The Gospel is not 100% truth since the writers come from a religious background of following yahweh. Some verses like Matthew 10:34 where Jesus speaks against peace are direct plagiarism. That verse, fir example, is from Micah 7:6. Maybe they did that to get more pharisees to stop following yahweh to follow the real Lucifer, Jesus.

The real Lucifer is Jesus and he is a light being filled with wisdom, enlightened, and a healer. We were deceived to associate the name Lucifer with darkness because since Lucifer means light bearer, calling the darkness Lucifer is honoring darkness as Light.

The True Light, The of Life and Wisdom be with you.
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posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 05:26 PM
I think you get in trouble when you use translations and meanings of words 2000 years after the fact. I do agree with your premise of Jesus being a light-bringer, but not necessarily your logic of getting us there. Regardless, it was an interesting read and thought provoking post.

posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 05:30 PM
a reply to: arpgme

Why are you repeating your previous post, it was totally wrong then and it is totally wrong now.

posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 05:43 PM
a reply to: LABTECH767

It was not proven wrong, and I am not repeating my post. This post is about the true nature of Lucifer, despite what people were taught, that post was about revealing the simple truth that the Bible calls Jesus Lucifer.
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posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 06:14 PM
I like this line of thought. I'm not a religious person, but from a philosophical sense, this makes a lot more sense than what you're taught growing up.

It's 'proven' in the first story of the bible that this god is a blood god. The sacrifice story - preferring Ables' blood sacrifice over Cains' fruit sacrifice.

posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 06:41 PM
a reply to: arpgme

2 Peter 1:19 admits in the original Greek that Jesus is Phosphoros, which is the Greek word for the Latin word Lucifer meaning Light-Bearer. There is a deception for people to associate the name Lucifer, meaning Light-Bearer, as darkness.

First off, we are each entitled to our beliefs, especially if it benefits us in our day to day lives in a direct way that can be empirically weighed and measured. Some people have their philosophy or beliefs go untested or unproven their entire lives and some put their philosophy to work and come back really confident.

Where does the name Jesus Christ originate from...? What does "Jesus Christ" literally translate to...?

The etymology of those two "words" might paint a bigger picture. Going down the rabbit hole of Bible etymology with an open mind, one might discover Peter symbolized a rock (in order to explain a mental process to the masses about manifestation using allegory) and not a person.

The wisdom of scripture become lost when interpreted as literal, historical, biographical or cosmological factual accounts instead of interpreted through an understanding of its metaphorical meanings. From my application of scripture, I have discovered each character, place and thing in the Bible is the personification of psychological states, eternal states and spiritual states.

Was Moses a person or a verb 2000 + years ago...? Today, one mentions the name "Moses," an image of a historic religious figure may come to mind, but a long time ago when words had different meanings and connotations, and allegories had not yet become mistaken as historical personas to the perverse point that "words became flesh," perhaps the story of Moses would of been understood in a way that actually would benefit people today.

I know you are talking about Lucifer in this thread, and this next question may seem unrelated, but from my POV, it is definitely related:

Do you believe Moses actually divided the Red Sea like in glorious Hollywood fashion? I encourage you to entertain the possibility of the Red Sea symbolizing the Mind being divided into two parts and safe passage to "the promised land" can only be mediated when duality becomes reconciled.

Would you be open to the possibility that 2000 + years ago Moses actually pertained to the verb: To Be.

Stillness provides passage....

Just BE....still....and know...I AM....To Be.

Watch all the pharaohs men (personal past troubles, torments, persecutions, etc) become washed away when they try to follow...

Peter....sank.... like a stone. Why...?

"Sometimes the truth is difficult to accept when the lies are exactly what we want to hear"

Much to learn from Peter.

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posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 07:06 PM
Nice. SnF

Your narrative had me visualising jesus teleporting traveling through time, and shapeshifting into a serpent.

Who created and taught the serpent it's knowledge and put it in the garden? Perhaps Yahweh do it on purpose?

Yahweh said let there be light and created it along with the sun and stars along with all of creation.

He did not create the waters of the deep so who created that?

Who is "the father" if not god?

I liked you thread btw.

Someone is rebelling.

posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 07:10 PM
a reply to: Involutionist

I agree. Anyone who takes the stories in the bible as literal and historical fact is doing a disservice to the lessons being conveyed through those stories.

I don't know if a man named Jesus actually existed, but I do understand the archetype he represents, that of the image and light of the world, the light that we bear (Lucifer). We see it right now, we see it every moment we are awake. As soon as we open our eyes in the morning we are seeing "Jesus", not the man but the archetype.

We are the bearers of light, though most of us have "fallen from heaven" due to being blind to the light that we shine.

"If your eye is single, your whole body will be full of light", that single eye is the image of light your two eyes create, a.k.a. "Jesus", the Son and image of God.

posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 07:17 PM
a reply to: arpgme

I know many would not like your interpretation, but I think you are spot on. Jesus was the guy that many did not like. He did things that no one else would do like healing the sick. He challenged the societal norms with compassion in his heart. These acts inspired people to follow his path.
It is easy for many to treat others poorly, but I think we all know in our hearts when we do wrong with words or actions.
Don't ever give up, and spread the divine truth, even if it isn't easy. Love kindness and compassion are the way. (Along with eating natural and washing religiously)
I hope everyone can find their peace.

posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 08:37 PM
a reply to: Fireflysky

Absolutely. God's true law is to treat others as you would like to be treated (compassion). If we live that way, we will naturally have peace with one another, and therefore being happier in our own lives instead of creating the drama of conflicts. Naturally, we'll share the light of wisdom with others instead of trying to take advatange of keeping others in the dark (ignorance).

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Interesting, you mention Jesus as an archetype. Jesus represents us. Jesus is the son of God, and how did Jesus tell people to refer to God? As "Our Father in Heaven". Somehow the church got people to believe in the Lord's Prayer AND that Jesus is the only son of God (a contradiction).

a reply to: Wifibrains

I don't believe yahweh is God, only a fallen son of God.

"For who in the heaven can be compared unto Yahweh? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto Yahweh?" - Psalm 89:6

Lucifer/Jesus/Phosphoros is not a fallen angel but a being who came to remind us of The Truth that sets us Free. It was yahweh who wanted to keep people from the fruit of knowledge and the fruit of life who was the devil all along.

God is ABBA The Heavenly Father also called Most High - Elyon. However, it's important not to forget that The Kingdom (and therefore ABBA) is within (Luke 17:21).
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posted on Apr, 12 2015 @ 11:29 PM
a reply to: arpgme

And just who was he talking to when he said that?

Was it Christians? Was it Romans? Was it Greeks? Was it Persians?

No, He said it to JEWISH PHARISEES, so then if He was talking specifically to them, maybe it was only them. Do you suppose?

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:12 AM
From Gnosticism

There is one invisible spirit. He is pure, holy and immaculate. This ineffable one emanated pure, immeasurable light. He is indestructible and eternal.

Jesus reveals Him in the New Testament as the First Aeon and God.

The Spirit drinks in water-light from the power of life. Through the power of thought, he brings forth the feminine emanation of Him. Barbelo (the forethought of all) is His feminine counterpart. Barbelo is the perfect aeon. The Spirit bestowed five powers upon her: image of the invisible spirit, foreknowledge, indestructibility, eternal life and truth.

Pure light radiates between the Spirit and Barbelo. A spark ignites from this light, resulting in yet another pale light. This is the “only begotten child”, named Autogenes, the aeon Christ, the Anointed One. This is how the Gnostic Trinity is born; there is the Father, Mother and Son. Each is a perfect aeon.

This first Aeon is the real GOD.
Jesus said to his disciples (after his resurrection):

Matthew said to him: "Lord, no one can find the truth except through you. Therefore teach us the truth."

The Savior said: "He Who Is is ineffable. No principle knew him, no authority, no subjection, nor any creature from the foundation of the world until now, except he alone, and anyone to whom he wants to make revelation through him who is from First Light. From now on, I am the Great Savior. For he is immortal and eternal. Now he is eternal, having no birth; for everyone who has birth will perish. He is unbegotten, having no beginning; for everyone who has a beginning has an end. Since no one rules over him, he has no name; for whoever has a name is the creation of another."

Now this:

Barbelo is the forethought, and Sophia is the afterthought. Most likely, out of pride, Sophia wanted to emulate the Invisible Spirit (the Father) by producing an image of her. However, Sophia did not consult the Father before doing this. Sophia had the power to procreate, but lacked the necessary knowledge. Sophia became horrified at the sight of her creation. He was an ugly, imperfect creature with a body of a serpent and the face of a lion. He had eyes of fire. Sophia called her child Yaldabaoth. Out of shame and disgust, Sophia cast Yaldabaoth out of her pleroma and hid him in a thick cloud. By hiding him behind a cloud, the other aeons would not be able to see him...

This is were is start to get interesting.

Yaldabaoth then stole his mother's power so that she was not able to escape from the cloud that she had originally trapped him in. Despite the fact that he had gained his mother's power, Yaldabaoth was still weak, but he had strong ambitions. Inherited from his mother, Yaldabaoth also lacked knowledge. Because of this inherent deficit, Yaldabaoth then fathered twelve archons to aide him in his conquests. Seven of the archons were to rule the seven heavens, and five would rule in the abyss, which Yaldabaoth created with the archons. Together, Yaldabaoth and his archons created 365 angels to help with their expanding empire.

From here, Yaldabaoth created a realm called matter.

Here comes the best part.

Sophia finally realizes the great magnitude of her mistake and begins to repent. Sophia begins to pray to the Father, and asks him to restore the power that Yaldabaoth stole from her. The Father accepted her prayer for deliverance. Yaldabaoth now heard the voice of the invisible spirit. The Father rebuked Yaldabaoth and his archons. When Yaldabaoth looked back into the water, he saw not the face of his mother, but instead saw an image of God – in human form...
...Yaldabaoth is also aware that he is not the only God, and he is not a truly powerful one.

Yaldabaoth now wants to create an image of God from the image that he had seen in the water. To help his quest, Yaldabaoth summoned all the angels and archons; together they created a being in the likeness of the first man. The purpose of this was to steal the Spirit of the Father.

To their dismay, their creation was lifeless and without a soul. Little did Yaldabaoth know, his mother (Sophia) was meeting with the Father and Barbelo in a desperate attempt to regain her power. To help Sophia, the Father and Barbelo tell Yaldabaoth to blow air (life) into his creation, and that will awaken it. Ignorant, Yaldabaoth did as he was told. This is how Adam's soul was created.
When Yaldabaoth saw that Adam was good, pure and free from evil, he cast Adam out of the pleroma and sent him to live on the lowest plane of existence: Earth. To help Adam, Barbelo decided to send a helper along with him; a spirit named Epinoia. Adam's body hid Epinoia. While in hiding, she gives Adam secret knowledge of his existence, and taught him how to ascend back to the pleroma.

Angry, the archons wanted to confine Adam. Out of punishment, Yaldabaoth created a physical body out of flesh to confine his soul. His body was mortal, and Yaldabaoth again cast him away, this time, sending Adam into the Garden of Eden. Yaldabaoth also bound Adam by sleep and forgetfulness.

While Adam was sleeping, Yaldabaoth attempted to bring Epinoia out of his body through his rib, but she managed to escape. Yaldabaoth then quickly created another mortal body from Epinoia's image, and captured Epinoia inside. Yaldabaoth then placed Epinoia next to Adam in the Garden.

Epinoia commanded Adam to awaken. Because of the spell of ignorance from Yaldabaoth, Adam thought that Epinoia was the one who gave him life, and he called her Eve. Yaldabaoth wanted Adam and Eve to remain ignorant. If the two first humans were forever ignorant, then they would forever worship him. Yaldabaoth told the two to do as they pleased, but to say away from the Tree of Knowledge.

Some Gnostics believe that it was Jesus himself that told them to eat from the tree; the Sethian Gnostics hold the serpent of Genesis as the deliverer of knowledge.

Once they ate from the Tree, Adam and Eve awakened from their ignorance. Now they realized that Yaldabaoth was a false God. The fruit from the tree had given them the gnosis to understand that their creator was not God. Yaldabaoth then placed a curse on the serpent, Adam and Eve.

That's it.

posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 12:37 PM
a reply to: arpgme

Is abba a name for a being?

What is the difference between abba and father?

The word abba comes from the common Hebrew word אב (ab), meaning father:

The word abba is the word that expresses familiar intimacy with a father.

In Hebrew the word אב ('ab) is the proper word for father, but it comes from an assumed root אבה ('bh). What that root (verb) may have meant to the Hebrews, we don't know because it's not used in the Bible, and that means we have no context to try it to. BDB Theological Dictionary is even less yielding and declares this root "perhaps at least formally justified as the stem of אב ('ab), but existence and meaning wholly dubious." But, sayeth BDB in the shortest abbreviations justifiable, there is an Assyrian verb abu, which means to decide. The 'ab would thus be the one who decides.

Free will or thee will?

the verb אבה ('aba), which is spelled and pronounced identical to the assumed root of אב ('ab). This verb is quite common in the Bible, and it means to accede to a wish, consent or accept to a reproach. HAW Theological Wordbook notes, "The primary meaning of this root is the willingness (inclination) to do something under obligation or upon request"

It stands to reason that the word אב ('ab) is not, like our word "father" reserved for the male parent and used metaphorically for other people, but rather a word of unknown and unparalleled meaning, which expresses respect to persons of authority

How far are you willing to rebell?

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 01:15 AM
a reply to: Wifibrains

Yahweh doesn't literally mean I AM , either. It means he is. The real name for I am is Ehyeh. Ehyeh ashar eyeh meaning I AM that I am.

Don't take the name so literally.

Abba is the name Jesus gave The Heavenly Father. He didn't really have a name but was called Elyon (Most High) by the ancients... of course yahweh wanted to take that name, too, so it's best to use ABBA or just Heavenly Father to avoid confusion.

The Father and Son are one. The Kingdom of God is within.

posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 08:08 AM
a reply to: arpgme

Im mot taking the name litteraly. My point was neither father or abba is a name for a being but a meaning of authority. The father is the head of the house... If the body is the temple, a house of god, who is the head?

"Know YE are gods"

posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 01:22 AM
a reply to: Wifibrains

God is the head, and is within. This is why it's important to keep in mind that the Kingdom of God is within - not here or there (Luke 17:21), so yes "Ye are gods" as Jesus says in John because the father and son are one (Holy Spirit of God in the Body).

posted on Apr, 15 2015 @ 08:27 AM
a reply to: arpgme

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posted on May, 19 2015 @ 12:42 AM
Jesus Christ brought light into the world.

Love is the law (Matthew 7:12)

Be Wise like Serpents and Harmless as Doves (Matthew 10:16).

Wisdom and Love are the things that matter most.

The title of Phosphoros (Greek)/Lucifer (Latin)/LightBearer (English), belongs to Christ (2 Peter 1:19). If you give darkness the title of Light, then you are confusing Light for darkness.

The devil is not my Lucifer, Jesus Christ is.

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." - John 13:35

Many people who claim to be Christian/Followers of Christ are calling the devil LightBearer (Lucifer) instead of Jesus and are following Paul or Old Testament writings instead of The Actual Sayings of Christ. This is the real reason I don't call myself Christian.

Wisdom and Love.

posted on May, 19 2015 @ 10:41 AM
a reply to: arpgme

2 Peter 1:19 admits in the original Greek that Jesus is Phosphoros, which is the Greek word for the Latin word Lucifer meaning Light-Bearer. There is a deception for people to associate the name Lucifer, meaning Light-Bearer, as darkness.Text

Eth Cepher - YESHA'YAHU - Isaiah 14:12
How are you fallen from Heaven O Heylel, son of the howling morning! how are you cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations!

This is the only direct Hebrew to English translation available to date. No one is certain of the translated meaning of "Heylel" although most associate this with Greek understanding. It is a guess at best. "Heylel" is not a word but is a name of uncertainity. Jerome defined his own meaning of "Heylel's" uncertainty in Latin as being Lucifer. Even so Heylel or Lucifer is not a translation or transliteration but a created name.

KJV - Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Nevertheless how you understand this as being connected to Yahusha is at best simply a guess.

posted on May, 19 2015 @ 11:50 AM
a reply to: arpgme

God is the head, and is within. This is why it's important to keep in mind that the Kingdom of God is within - not here or there (Luke 17:21), so yes "Ye are gods" as Jesus says in John because the father and son are one (Holy Spirit of God in the Body).

In understanding the Apostle John as he said --

John 10:34-35
(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

As Jesus was contending His claim that He was the Son of God with the Jews, He quoted Asaph in the Psalms to prove that it was law that to claim He was the Son of God was not blasphemy.

Psalms 82:6,7
(6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. (7) But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

God has said that the leaders of authority were as gods to the subjects of whom they governed but that these leaders of men shall die the same as all men shall die. Even though they are princes and governors they are nothing but human men the same as all men. This is in the laws of the king David that no man is above God but are can be sons of God.

Jesus then in His own defense to the Jews that condemned Him for saying that He was the son of God repeated Asaph's citation by saying --

John 10:34,35
(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? (35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Jesus trapped them with the law of King David in proving that He broke no law by saying that He too was a Son of God. He is not saying that there are other gods besides His Father in heaven or that mere men can be a god.

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