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poll: do you believe the war in Iraq is worth fighting?

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posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 06:18 PM
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Most Americans now believe the war with Iraq was not worth fighting and more than half want to fire embattled Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the chief architect of that conflict, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.
The survey found that 56 percent of the country now believes that the cost of the conflict in Iraq outweighs the benefits, while 42 percent disagreed. It marked the first time since the war began that a clear majority of Americans have judged the war to have been a mistake
Barely a third of the country approves of the job that Rumsfeld is doing as defense secretary, and 52 percent said President Bush should sack Rumsfeld, a view shared by a big majority of Democrats and political independents.
Still, nearly six in 10 -- 58 percent -- said the United States should keep its military forces in Iraq rather than withdraw them, a proportion that has not changed in seven months.


Yep. this is mentioned here

Now I would like to propose poll among ATS- ers: do you believe the war in Iraq is worth fighting?
If Yes or No - why?

I start from myself -NO, because US will create more terror than democracy =see:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 20-12-2004 by jazzgul]




posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 06:45 PM
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no

reason:


1. hundreds of thousends dead
2. hundreds of thousends home less
3. as you stated more terrorists will be born



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 09:44 PM
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I say no, because we were not justified in going in there and occupying it. It's unconstitutional, and Saddam was no real threat. According to the Constitution, we're supposed to keep our noses out of other countries' business, and we sure shouldn't be forcing our brand of "freedom" over there while stripping away the civil liberties of our own people.

Then again, that's what you get when you have an administration who thinks the Constitution is only good for toilet paper....



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 10:19 PM
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Yes. But, you knew that, didn't you?



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 10:36 PM
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The war in Iraq, if successful, will create no more hatred then dropping nukes on Japan did. That claim is simply unjustifiable. In the short term, people are going to be pissed. In a decade, though, people will start to come around.

If Iraq can become a free society, then it will change the rest of the Middle East. Iranians are already pushing for change. A Democratic Iraq and Afghanistan will only help that cause.

For those that doubt its possible to do it through force, you only have to look a the Democracies we established after WW2. Japan and Germany were never happy about American presence. We had killed hundreds of thousands of their civillians in bombing raids. Yet they were our two of our closest friends in a few years. They had booming economies. They were completely free.

The other complaints are usually that Iraqis didn't want help. They tried to overthrow Saddam during the first Gulf War, though. What do you think they wanted then? American intervention. Polls have found most Iraqis believe they'll be better off in 5 years because of the war. Only a third thought they'd be worse off.

The insurgency in Iraq isn't very large, with estimates reaching 20,000. A good chunk of that is made up of foreigners, as well. The Iraqi security force has more members then that. It doesn't take large numbers to do what the insurgency does in Iraq. It doesn't even take a lot of support.

I find it hard to question the morality of a war that took a guy like Saddam out, anyway. He killed possibly up to a million Iraqis. Civillian casualties in Iraq are about 15,000 according to all of the credible sources. Saddam was just going to keep slaughtering more people, and his son's would have continued that.

The Iraq is certainly worth fighting, and there is a very good chance of success. Everyone thought it was impossible to hold elections in Afghanistan, but it worked there. Pretty much everyone who could voted, and there wasn't violence. Iraq may be more difficult, but its certainly not impossible. And if anything will give Iraqis inspiration to fight, its the election. I doubt we'll see so much support for the insurgency after a successful election.



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 11:48 PM
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No, I don't think it was justify.

But is to late to turn the clock back, we are there we own the country and we are resposible for the well being of their people.



posted on Dec, 20 2004 @ 11:57 PM
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No not worthit for most of the reasons already mentioned...and I don't believe the war was legal from the start.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 12:24 AM
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No. But America needs to win this war. NEEDS to. If America pulls out of Iraq or loses in Iraq, America is finished. Game over.

So please put your personal feelings aside everyone, support the troops, and hope that we don't have to move to Canada by 2010.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 12:27 AM
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I fail to see how anyone at this point couldn't just be hoping that America wins. Us losing would achieve no good for anyone but extremists. The Iraqis certainly wouldn't benefit.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 12:28 AM
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Yes-

Because we either fight it now whilst we have the upper hand or fight it in 10 years when we dont.....


Now is the time - Osama asked for it, now he has got it. He just didnt plan of Afghanistan going quite so well and in the big picture, Iraq could have been much worse.....



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by edsinger
Now is the time - Osama asked for it, now he has got it.

Osama asked for the war in Iraq? Love that eggnog, don't ya, edsinger...



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 01:15 AM
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They are brainwashed to believe that shait what their telly says. No use to argue about iraq war
..Its illegal war and purely because oil profits. Osama is happy that you kill your troops to there so they dont have to buy a ticket to come and kill american on their homesoil.
-ap



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 01:29 AM
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What ever they did is done, I just pray that they stop, some of my friends are going into the draft now.

They're taking this too far. We've bost lost in this war.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:16 AM
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There is no ostensible reason for us to have invaded Iraq.

If you believe that members of the US government perpetrated 911, we had almost nothing to fear from the middle east.

We are probably making enemies there, but the biggest problem with the war in Iraq is that it is a waste of time, attention, money.

But if some people get a chance to wave the flag and get a chance to kill some foreigners they are happy.

America isn't worth anything anyway. Who cares?
.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 03:18 AM
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Yes, but not necessarily by the US.

I think the time has come for the Iraq military to step in - send the boys (and girls) home!



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 05:55 AM
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Yes,

Why
1. Because the US needed a better oil supply.

and

2. War helps the worlds economy.



No flames plz i am entitled to my own opinions as much as you are.

P.S . Im not a Bush supporter, hell im not even an American.



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 08:14 AM
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Ah, well, now for the response that some people who assume I'm a Bush supporter and an Iraq War supporter have been waiting for...

When the Iraq War first started, I was all for it. I was even pro-Bush, despite the fact I hated his domestic policy, I could at least take comfort in the thought that our nation was well protected, or was at least getting vengeance for 9/11. I assumed, like most people, that the administration knew what they were doing, and that we wouldn't violate the Geneva Convention by invading Iraq without a reason.

Later, I found it slightly humorous when Leno pointed out that a lot had changed in the last 12 years, for instance, we were at war with Iraq, and a Bush was in office...

...and then the war dragged on...

...and on...

...and on...

What was supposed to be a lightning strike to go in, get the WMDs and later, to get Saddham, had turned into a mismanaged farce. Bush Senior knew when to stop. He got in, achieved the mission, and got out. Bush Junior seemed to have the troops wandering the country aimlessly, securing oil wells first, and instead of establishing a stable base and expanding slowly from there, just rampantly went city to city, screwing up the whole countryside.

Then to find out there are no WMDs... then to get Saddham, only to find that four more warlords pop up in his place... then to find out that our troops have been poorly supplied and even more poorly resupplied... then to find out that Rumsfeld...oh, don't even get me started on Rumsfeld...


Anyway... I think there's a big difference in supporting our troops, and supporting the war. I think the war was a mistake, but it wasn't my mistake to make. It's Bush's and Rumsfeld's, and the yes-men they are surrounded by. The Military does not in any way, shape, or form, deserve our animosity. They are upholding an oath that they took, to follow orders.

I do support our troops, because regardless of everything else, they are putting their own lives on the line to uphold an oath that they took. Something very few people nowadays have any concept of.

So, in conclusion, do I think the war in Iraq is a mistake? Yes, but I also leave myself open to the possibility that I am wrong. Do I even remotely blame our troops? Hell no, and I think anyone who does should try a few years of service before they criticize something they aren't willing to do themselves. Do I blame Bush and Rumsfeld? You bet I do. I hope Rumsfeld gets abducted by the greys and given a -very thorough- examination...



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 08:30 AM
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Nope

No way

Should never have happened



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 08:49 AM
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Are you saying that the US should leave iraq then?

Do you think that things will get better or worse in iraq? Do you think that the reasons you listed for leaving will be solved or lessened, ie 'the US is creating more terrorists by being there'?

If the US leaves, and anarchy wins over over there, or iran invades or the Kurds move for independence, then obviously you are saying the US shouldn't get involved right? But how will this solve any of the problems that made you vote 'no'? If things get worse over there, do you think that the people there aren't going to blame the US? Do you think that the terrorists/insurgents there will not come to the US to pick up the fight there?



posted on Dec, 21 2004 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by thelibra
Ah, well, now for the response that some people who assume I'm a Bush supporter and an Iraq War supporter have been waiting for...

When the Iraq War first started, I was all for it. I was even pro-Bush, despite the fact I hated his domestic policy, I could at least take comfort in the thought that our nation was well protected, or was at least getting vengeance for 9/11. I assumed, like most people, that the administration knew what they were doing, and that we wouldn't violate the Geneva Convention by invading Iraq without a reason.



Whao, you sound just like me back in the time, now poor me I am against of what Bush stands for after I oppened my eyes and now I am tag anti-american, muslin lover and I should move to canada.

So be careful you may be in the hit list for that post


But again I agree with.
Your post pretty much summarize what most "real patriotic" americans feel about what is going on in our administration, american's views and the war in iraq.

You got my vote, this month already I wish I could vote for you again.


[edit on 21-12-2004 by marg6043]



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