WATCH: Ted Cruz tells Iowa group that gays are waging ‘jihad’ against Christians

I keep saying this - but it's my firm belief (ha!) that we're going to watch these kinds of people become increasingly crazy and irrational the more the realization sets in that the world is not turning backwards. It's not really a belief anymore because I'm seeing stuff like this more and more as the days pass. It's insanity - it will eventually be termed as such IMO - even if they have to burn the world up first.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Seamrog

People who truly follow Christ:

-don't make judgments

-try to treat everyone how they would like to be treated

-welcome all into their communities/homes/places of employment

They're out there - they are usually the quiet ones that you don't hear about. You hear about the loud noisy pseudo Christians who judge, condemn and discriminate.

Well, that is a wonderful secular, relativist, humanist take on Christianity, but it is not a Christian perspective of Christianity.

Christians most certainly do judge -we are commanded to judge and approach our brothers when they are doing wrong. We are forbidden to condemn, for that is reserved for Jesus. We are warned that Jesus most certainly will condemn, and condemn MANY.

Christians don't want to be patronized, and so we don't patronize. We don't sugar coat sin - that is deadly.

You would not welcome a pedophile into your home, or a rapist, or an animal abuser, so clearly ALL are not welcome.

All who repent, seek forgiveness and turn to God are granted forgiveness and mercy.


And for a little reality check for you....this website is not 'out there.' This is not the real world. This is the internet.


Repeat that several times before you make assumptions about how a person behaves in public.

originally posted by: Floydshayvious
I keep saying this - but it's my firm belief (ha!) that we're going to watch these kinds of people become increasingly crazy and irrational the more the realization sets in that the world is not turning backwards. It's not really a belief anymore because I'm seeing stuff like this more and more as the days pass. It's insanity - it will eventually be termed as such IMO - even if they have to burn the world up first.

I've been watching it since the 1959s when bible study and prayer in public school was challenged.

Christians are kicking and screaming because of losing the "power of control" over America, something they never should have had in the first place.

originally posted by: Annee


America is a secular government.

I love this...I really do. It sums up so much.

You believe America is a government.

I believe it is a country of (formerly) free individuals.

Well done, Annee!

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Annee


America is a secular government.

I love this...I really do. It sums up so much.

You believe America is a government.

I believe it is a country of (formerly) free individuals.

Well done, Annee!

Good, I'm glad you really do.

You can think what you want - - but its still a secular government.

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Annee


America is a secular government.

I love this...I really do. It sums up so much.

You believe America is a government.

I believe it is a country of (formerly) free individuals.

Well done, Annee!

Erm, the First Amendment disagrees with you - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Separation of Church and State, remember?

They're waging war! Trying to engage in behavior which some others find to be wrong. It's war! Any action which is not in conformity with conservative Christian dogma is an act of war! Jihad!

a reply to: Seamrog
Are you familliar with WBC, sounds like you are describing them?..the epitome of uglyness and hate.

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: bullcat

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

CHRISTIANS DON'T HATE GAY PEOPLE!

Give it a rest.

Most Christians don't even know what their religion is about, I am pretty sure it is not about singing and eating cupcakes and tea.

Christians don't know what their religion is about and yet you, in all your infinite arrogance somehow do? You don't merit my time or attention.

Actually, being on the outside of a religion gives a very unique view. I can look at the religious texts by themselves without any "spin" put on them by a priest or pastor. If someone that isn't "inside" the religion reads the religious how-to instructions without the dogma that accompanies it ... then yes, they might actually have a more unbiased and clearer understanding of the religion itself.

The fact that there are so many denominations of Christianity speaks volumes to various forms of "spin" and dogma present. It seems everyone has their own agenda behind their interpretation of Christianity -- there's a "flavor" for everyone. Strictly speaking there's only one book -- the Bible. The Old Testament is pretty black and white, but modern Christians seem to pick and choose which parts of that text they will and won't follow. If the New Testament invalidated the OT by creating a new covenant, then any laws or commandments present in it should be null and void.

Many of the arguments Christians bring to the table regarding homosexuality come from the OT. So what is it? Does the NT override the OT? If not, why? And also if not, under who's authority are bits and pieces allowed to be followed? Who has the moral authority from God to strike out certain parts of the OT but keep others?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: bullcat

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

CHRISTIANS DON'T HATE GAY PEOPLE!

Give it a rest.

Most Christians don't even know what their religion is about, I am pretty sure it is not about singing and eating cupcakes and tea.

Christians don't know what their religion is about and yet you, in all your infinite arrogance somehow do? You don't merit my time or attention.

Actually, being on the outside of a religion gives a very unique view. I can look at the religious texts by themselves without any "spin" put on them by a priest or pastor. If someone that isn't "inside" the religion reads the religious how-to instructions without the dogma that accompanies it ... then yes, they might actually have a more unbiased and clearer understanding of the religion itself.

And, the original scribes copying and translating original scrolls were Novice Monks.

Ya think, just maybe, their translation interpretations were bias - - that they saw their God in every script?

originally posted by: Seamrog
a reply to: Gryphon66

The CDC.

2014 stats.

One assumes you are referring to Sexual Orientation and Health Among U.S. Adults: National Health Interview Survey, 2013

Wherein is found this statement:

Based on the 2013 NHIS data, 96.6% of adults identified as straight, 1.6% identified as gay or lesbian, and 0.7% identified as bisexual. The remaining 1.1% of adults identified as ‘‘something else,’’ stated ‘‘I don’t know the answer,’’ or refused to provide an answer

Notice the word "identified" in the statement. This is one measure of how people describe themselves, not how they are. Also the CDC relied on face-to-face interviews as well as phone interviews, which always result in lower responses.

This survey does not measure the incidence of sexual activity with the same sex which in study after study are as high as 36% for men and 20% for women.

It also does not take into account the considerable number of individuals who are "on the down low" or are "still in the closet" for whatever reason; I'm sure you can identify with the later Seamrog.

Still, let's go with the 2.3% (homosexuals and bisexuals) of the population for the moment.

Population of the US: 318.9 million (Source

Are you telling me that you believe that we should just ignore 7,334,700 Americans? Or that those 7 million plus Americans are unimportant in your grand scheme of things?

a reply to: Gryphon66

The CDC is investigating its own report - - LGBT count. Because it is so far off from other reports/counts.

People are people - - just because you are LGBT does not mean you are political or even care that you get counted. Some have the attitude it is no one else's business (their right).

Best count anyone is ever going to get is - - - those who choose to self identify.

a reply to: Annee

Religion was a few things to early humans:

1. A way to explain a world they didn't understand

2. A way to control masses of people

Whoever first came along and said, "I have it figured out, I know the secret of what happens when you die became very popular indeed. This person was able to get a little following together, and later an entire religious movement.

This served to keep those holding the "secret knowledge" in power over those who were simply followers. Knowledge about the world was dispensed by those at the top to those at the bottom. Whatever those in power wanted the masses to believe was incorporated into whatever religious framework that they created.

In a sense, religion was the earliest first form of government.

Everyone has questions about the world, and everyone wants to feel that there's more to their life than just wandering around aimlessly. Religion provided a sense of purpose and a way to explain the explainable, it also kept those in power revered and protected.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Seamrog

Fine, then don't have a business that has anything to do with weddings and you won't have to deal with it. Your choice.

Don't you just find the concept that a person must bow to the will of others under force of government or lose their livelihood a teeny bit concerning? Just a little bit?

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Seamrog

Just a heads up, Jesus would have been labeled a Socialist Progressive if he lived in our day and age. Considering his teachings and beliefs.

Well, no.


He never claimed any of that.

Of course he didn't claim that. The term Socialist didn't exist then.

He claimed to be the Son of God, the Messiah.

More like his disciples claimed that for him, but ok.

He also claimed that a man shall leave his mother and father and cling to his wife, not his homosexual lover.

He taught tolerance, acceptance, non-violence, and helping the poor. He also preached acceptance of the state's laws. All hallmark positions of Socialist Progressives. Does it really hurt your head to consider that Jesus wouldn't side with Conservative ideology?

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Seamrog
a reply to: kaylaluv

Exactly - homosexualist tyranny.

OP - be sure to ignore this response.

Well, my friend, the pendulum is swinging. America has been under a Christian tyranny for many, many years.

And if it swings back? Would you then be okay with the government forcing people to do stuff they don't want to do? That's the problem--the pendulum always swings the other way and if we are always just using it to get some sort of "payback" we never get anywhere.

originally posted by: Floydshayvious
I keep saying this - but it's my firm belief (ha!) that we're going to watch these kinds of people become increasingly crazy and irrational the more the realization sets in that the world is not turning backwards. It's not really a belief anymore because I'm seeing stuff like this more and more as the days pass. It's insanity - it will eventually be termed as such IMO - even if they have to burn the world up first.

It's defiantly going to happen. a natural part of our relationship with authority, is our need to protect it. With all these religions having victim complexes, it will be easy work them into a fearful frenzy.

originally posted by: Seamrog
I think you are mistaken here.
I think the issue is that too many Christians have stopped following Christ.
As has been pointed out numerous times in this thread (and correctly so), look at how many Christians divorce and remarry.
Look at how many Christians shack up before marriage.
Look at how many Christians use contraceptives.
Look at how many Christians sleep around like rutting animals.
Look at how many mainline protestant denominations have openly homosexual clergy - homosexual lesbian bishops even!
Look at how many Christians leach off the government and their fellow citizens.
This list could go on for pages.
What difference does it make to vote democrat when you go to the feel good church of Joel Osteen?

Well, as long as you're going to get picky, I suppose it's time to trot out this old nugget once again...

An Open Letter to Dr. Laura
J. Kent Ashcraft
May 2000

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord ( Lev 1:9 ). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7 . In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness ( Lev 15:19-24 ). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination ( Lev 11:10 ), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27 . How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? ( Lev 24:10-16 ) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? ( Lev. 20:14 )

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

originally posted by: GENERAL EYES
The main thing that confuses me beyond words at this juncture is:

Why the hell aren't there swarms of LGBT bakeries opening up en masse?

It's the perfect business opportunity.
Strike while the cake is still hot.

I find it difficult to believe there aren't more pro-advocates interested in baking and decorating cakes than there are lazy, angry, finger pointing social justice warriors out there. If you're going to be PRO-ACTIVE, be Pro-freakin'-Active!

It's not like God only made Bigoted Christians with the ability to bake and decorate a flippin' pastry.

Sheesh.

I did just that. I'm friends with a lady who recently retired from academia and she loves to bake. She and her partner were looking for a part time retirement gig so, based on a conversation on this very subject, they started a bakery that quite clearly proclaims "gay friendly" in their advertising. They've been doing well. They haven't gotten married yet, even though the laws have been changed--"why bother" was the reason.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Seamrog

Fine, then don't have a business that has anything to do with weddings and you won't have to deal with it. Your choice.

Don't you just find the concept that a person must bow to the will of others under force of government or lose their livelihood a teeny bit concerning? Just a little bit?

If you own a business that servers the public, you are not to discriminate. At all. For any reason.

If someone were to refuse to cater a wedding to an interracial couple, this wouldn't even been a question for debate, they would be bigots, and that would be that. But a gay couple? Somehow that's NOT being bigoted and is supposedly protected according to some people.

I just don't understand the hypocrisy.