Let's Talk About Prostitution

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
now - tell me what the benefits of legalised prostitution are again ?

I don't think it's being claimed that there are particular benefits from it (although I can think of a few). The issue is that government SHOULD have no right to tell a person what to do, or not to do, with their own person. It shouldn't be the government's business.

a reply to: STTesc

The only reason prostitution is illegal, is because it's against Christian values. This is how it was made illegal and then it hasn't really adapted to our current system.

It's similar to abortion, as you can see old laws can change to reflect the needs of society. I think the only reason the laws on prostitution haven't changed, is because someone has to be brave and vote to make it legal. The person or people that do such a thing while still in a majorly Christian country with Christian values, will be prime targets of death threats and devil work.

Yes it might seem archaic to say such things, but just look how long it took to change abortion laws, and the subject regularly enters the public debate still.

What I'm saying is, it's not as if prostitution is a new law created by recent governments because they want to subdue women or anything. It's simply old laws built around religion.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: STTesc

It blows my mind that we're to sit here, in 2015, and continue to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Because some people don't know what to do with their own bodies.

What should people do with their own bodies? Have you codified it, by chance?

"Welcome to Earth! Congratulations on being born! There's unlimited possibilities and choices, but we're going to narrow it down for you instead (because our laws have created a Utopian society.) Heck, even if you make the "right" decisions, your soul will be burdened with not knowing whether those decisions were partially influenced by the threat of imprisonment (all freedom removed, confinement, slave labor, deterioration of health, and state-sanctioned anal rape.)

Yeah...we should tell people what to do with their own bodies and lives, especially when doing so results in added tax burdens to the citizenry, higher rates of STDs, more violent crime, and more kidnappings and slave trade.

I hope I just missed the sarcasm of the post I replied to. If I did, please consider my reply appropriate for any who actually DO think that way - they exist...fascism IS still alive, even in 'Murica.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape


now - tell me what the benefits of legalised prostitution are again ?

What are the benefits of legalized alcohol?

What are the benefits of legalized tobacco?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I don't know where you came up with that, but prostitution DOES NOT help a victim of abuse regain control and power. People who have little or no exposure to this issue tend to romanticize it, but the reality is that a very small percentage of women choose to do this because they enjoy their work. Just take a look at the escort section on the Backpages website for any city and you will quickly see just how widespread this issue really is. When I took a job for a company located near a cluster of extended stay hotels that were crawling with drugs and prostitutes. Since we were new to town and I didn't know any better at the time, we stayed there for a couple months until our apartment was ready. These women are all victims and I saw many who did not seem to be at the age of consent. I never called the police because frankly, there was a police car there almost every day.

To use another example of how legalizing prostitution does not work, look at any areas that have issued permits for strip clubs or gambling. It does not take long for that area to become blighted with drugs and organized crime and for legitimate businesses to move away from the area. Moral issue or not, there is a real cost to the community for legalized prostitution. Strip clubs are legal in most states, but do you want to buy a house or open your business next to one?

originally posted by: joeandandi

To use another example of how legalizing prostitution does not work, look at any areas that have issued permits for strip clubs or gambling. It does not take long for that area to become blighted with drugs and organized crime and for legitimate businesses to move away from the area. Moral issue or not, there is a real cost to the community for legalized prostitution. Strip clubs are legal in most states, but do you want to buy a house or open your business next to one?

Strip clubs tend to set up in less-developed areas because of zoning issues and cheap property values. Strip clubs do not cause an area to "become blighted with drugs and organized crime." That's a monumentally ignorant statement.

There are several strip clubs in my area that are in perfectly normal parts of the city because the zoning is not as strict as other municipalities.

Try more facts, less opinion-based fear mongering.

a reply to: Answer

I can't speak for the city you live in, but of the cities I have lived in, strip clubs have caused the area that has been zoned for this activity to become crime and drug infested where it was not previously. Prior to the clubs moving in, the areas were primarily undeveloped.

a reply to: dogstar23

It's actually safer than picking someone up in a bar, going back to yours or her place and having unprotected sex!!

a reply to: joeandandi

Where I "came up with it" is my personal experience. So, it's not that I "had little or no exposure". Just the opposite, in fact.

originally posted by: joeandandi
a reply to: Answer

I can't speak for the city you live in, but of the cities I have lived in, strip clubs have caused the area that has been zoned for this activity to become crime and drug infested where it was not previously. Prior to the clubs moving in, the areas were primarily undeveloped.

So you're saying that your actual statements in the prior post are a fabrication.

You stated that the clubs moved in and caused the drug dealing and crime, forcing businesses to move out of the area, and now you admit that those areas were undeveloped to begin with.

Strip clubs do not cause crime. You're being disingenuous.

I 100% agree it should be legal.

I didn't always believe that, but as I've grown older I've learned better.

Hey, it would be MUCH better than a relationship! And cheaper!

a reply to: AdamuBureido

What does democracy have to do with this subject? What would you suggest as opposed to democracy? A dictatorship like that of eastern european countries where gay people are persecuted, where you need a permit to hand out fliers, where the state OUTRIGHT owns all media, like Russia where these things are true in the 21st century?

Yes, democracy is the problem....yes. LOL

a reply to: Logarock this made me immediately think if it does become legal they could have a super bowl of their own. Sell it on demand and make a killing! A little off topic, but I had to share.

Well I for one can talk on this subject. I have practiced as a Male Escort. Personally I think the reason for it being illegal in set parts of the world is simply because of governments being unable to effectively track it. Those practicing and establishments. That and the presence of religion I think is also a hindrance. The whole notion of "selling oneself for sex" is the typically coined notion.

I saw someone in an earlier post state there are many different reasons people seek out prostitutes/escorts. An it does not always centralise around sex. At its core I think intimacy or lack of with another being is the primary driving factor (both physical and emotionally). I believe the culture one grows up in does influence ones interpretations of the professions use and presence.

I would be happy to answer any ones questions on the industry. I also did a radio interview a few months ago on the subject for ABC radio for those interested. For their Taboo Tuesday segment.

a reply to: dogstar23

What should people do with their own bodies? Have you codified it, by chance?

Yes. Keep healthy. Seems simple enough, doesn't it?

"Welcome to Earth! Congratulations on being born! There's unlimited possibilities and choices, but we're going to narrow it down for you instead (because our laws have created a Utopian society.) Heck, even if you make the "right" decisions, your soul will be burdened with not knowing whether those decisions were partially influenced by the threat of imprisonment (all freedom removed, confinement, slave labor, deterioration of health, and state-sanctioned anal rape.)

Yeah...we should tell people what to do with their own bodies and lives, especially when doing so results in added tax burdens to the citizenry, higher rates of STDs, more violent crime, and more kidnappings and slave trade.

I hope I just missed the sarcasm of the post I replied to. If I did, please consider my reply appropriate for any who actually DO think that way - they exist...fascism IS still alive, even in 'Murica.

Fascism...right. No one is claiming authority over another person, and your logic is tied together by bubble gum.

If your argument is that someone shoving a needle in their arm or selling themselves in the back of cars is them knowing what to do with their body, I think you might need to get out a little more.

a reply to: STTesc

Prostitution is legal in Switzerland. On top of that local government is creating safe-zones for sex workers.

www.nydailynews.com...


Never forget who founded the US --> Mayflower --> Puritans/Calvinists.

a reply to: STTesc

First off - those who prohibit things know exactly what works but in order to maintain a reasonable control over the populace they have to use these backwards ways of enforcement.

Secondly - their argument in favour of their enforcements (which they know is not the best way to police) is that there are people who are weak and will be taken advantage of - hence the prohibition. Obv people will be taken advantage of less in a system which is monitored and legal!

Most of the bad things about prostitution are because it is illegal. If it were legal, there would be things like age verification, 401k, health insurance, unions, and the prostitute would have the ability to seek redress in the courts if abused or cheated. Crime against prostitutes, from rape to physical abuse to theft are often unreported because they don't want to go to the police because what they do is illegal.



It makes no sense that we live in a society where athletes can legally pound each other into brain damage and get paid to do it but we jail women for having sex.

a reply to: DAZ21

This is true for all victimless crimes. Drugs, prostitution, gambling, etc; all made illegal because of Christian values. All kept illegal because of lobbyists and politicians pandering to Christian values. This is why you keep religion and government separate.

I continue to be astounded that in the year 2015 prostitution is illegal. If a woman can grab a stranger and have sex with him for free, why is it somehow a crime if she is willing to do so for money? Her body, her choice.