Dr. Strange Von Braun or How I learned to love/loath the SSP!

As you can tell I am new here! Intro here www.abovetopsecret.com...

So I have compiled a list of things (Call them dot connections) for which I would like to present to all of you. Now I understand that numerous threads have beat some of these pieces of the puzzle to a pulp and I really don't want THIS thread to go off the rails with attacks on the personal opinions of the backgrounds of some of the peoples information that I will include. Lets Please stick to what all of us are trying to get to! TRUTH! Which may lead us as individuals to understand better what our role in this complex realm we all call home.

So without further ado Here I go with my first thread wish me luck!

So most of you know of Wernher Von Braun the father of NASA some claim. One of many scientist that came to the USA via Project PaperClip.
Most know his work with the moon landings/exploration. However he had a childhood dream to go to Mars. I Know there is plenty here on ATS about him so I will not go into his background. What peaked my interest into the world of Secret Space Programs and whether they were plausible or not was Von Brauns early work and the continuation of it under the radar. Here is one of what I think are pieces of the puzzle.

Von Braun Mars Expedition - 1952

"Das Marsprojekt was the first technically comprehensive design for a manned expedition to Mars. Von Braun envisioned not a simple preliminary voyage to Mars, but an enormous scientific expedition modeled on the Antarctic model. His Mars expedition was to consist of 70 crew members aboard ten spacecraft - each spacecraft with a mass of 3720 metric tons! To assemble this armada in earth orbit, Von Braun proposed a fully recoverable, reusable three-stage launch vehicle, which was designed to deliver 25 metric tons of cargo plus 14.5 metric tons of 'excess propellant' for the Mars fleet with each launch. Assembly of the expedition would take 950 launches of 46 these reusable space shuttles over eight months from a very busy base at Johnston Island in the Pacific Ocean. The first and second stages would splash down under parachutes 304 and 1459 km downrange, then be towed back to the launch site by a tug. The winged third stage, after dumping its cargo at the assembly point and pumping its excess propellants to the Mars ships, would glide to a landing on Johnston Island. All three stages would be refurbished at the island, stacked, and reused."
www.astronautix.com...

To me the above is very interesting considering how today Elon Musk and SpaceX are testing in the open somewhat a similar reusable idea.
So If WVB whom was a very intelligent individual with the early nasa accomplishments had a mission to mars calculated out what happened? Did it go dark?

Moving on to my next dot might bring controversy to this thread However here we go!

Project Camelot is an interesting beast to say the least however I'm a firm believer in the saying "The truth is stranger than fiction".
They have had numerous fringe/insider/whoever on that all have interesting stories to tell however I'm not focusing on them in general just there video they posted lately and the information presented within it.

The Name of the video Here: www.youtube.com...
Shadow Operations: The Mars Project
This video I guess was a pilot for TruTv that never aired and is similar to other productions that are on Sci and History channel in production quality. To say the least though it does have some interesting information to think about. They have there experts that include Bob Dean, Brian O'Leary and Richard Hoagland to name a few.

To give you a quick overview of content in this video. Disclaimer First: I don't necessarily believe it all however I am very open minded to much of it however I don't like the drama they added to obviously make it for tv. They Investigate Mars Anomalies via orbiter's and rover's, they try to cross check photos with geologists to try to figure out if they are artificial or natural made objects. Some of the stuff I said before may or may not have been covered here. They talk to a witness that has seen craft in the dugway proving grounds that claim that is the base where they send mars ships from earth. Richard Hoagland talks about witnessing the Viking landing that showed baby blue Martian sky then later on technicians changing the contrast and color to mask the real atmosphere and color of the Martian planet.

So I am having trouble adding a photo so I will just link it here: www.marsanomalyresearch.com...

I find it quite fascinating the side by side aerial black and white images of Earth and Mars forests with water. The images on the website are worth a look for your own pleasure.

So continuing on once more I bring you the recent whisleblower's that have information about SSP's. Capt. Kaye and GoodETxsg/Corey. They have some intriguing stories that brought back my wonder of the universe. Here are previous threads written here:
Capt Kaye: www.abovetopsecret.com...
And here which is I believe an update Feb2015: exopolitics.org...

So If what the Secret Space Marine says is true then I feel Left out! LOL

GoodETxSG/Corey is a whistleblower whom I feel is genuine by the way things flow in his story and conversations. Piggy backing on Project Camelot/Avalon in regards to GoodET there has been some feud and nonsense between that forum which you could find however will not post. It involves B. Ryan and Corey or whatever doesn't concern me but involved taking down information.
Links to thread Here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Dr. Michal Salla has two interviews which I think are less mess to skim through here: exopolitics.org...

And within the last few days this update from GoodET Here: exopolitics.org...

Continued Below....

Continued from Above.......

So here is a excerpt from the link to the recent questions from Dr. Salla to GoodET:

"[NOTE: In a follow up email sent on April 6, Corey/GoodETxSG helped clarify the number of secret space programs belonging to the current era – there are five not three as I previously thought he had described. These are as follows]

1. Solar Warden - Established early and is the most aging fleet (Though it has gone through many upgrades over the decades. They have a R&D/Scientific focused fleet and a Military Offensive/Defensive focused fleet that is mainly focused on policing the Solar System and surrounding Star Clusters and keeping track of “Intruders” and Visitors” as well as locate and remove unauthorized “Visitors” on the Earth and other planetary bodies. Their program name describes their function pretty well.

2. Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate (ICC) – Focused mainly on development and aquisition of technology by any means. Develop and Produce Technology for Commerce with Earth and Off World Groups in a Barter System and left nothing off the table that they were willing to trade. Very powerful, very classified, and Always had all of the latest technology and “Toys” at their disposal.

3. Dark Fleet - Worked almost entirely outside the Sol System, Very Military (Offensive), Extremely Classified above the others and were large fleets (Similar looking Carrier Craft that looked like the Star Wars Wedge Shaped craft in the movies). They worked along side the Draco Alliance and are speculated to fight along side them in their affairs in other systems.

4. “NATO TYPE SSP” – Recently in Alliance Conferences they were referred to as the “League of Nations Program.” Apparently this was the one where I arrived and all of the people were relaxed in another Sol System and were from MANY different countries. There were literally more flags on their shoulders than I could identify (countries like Estonia etc…). This group was based almost entirely outside of the Sol System and was a relatively newer SSP that was created for all countries to participate in, have exchange of information and technology and to encourage the countries to keep silent on the SSP Programs.

5. Various Special Access Program SSP’s that were small, usually had the newer technology, very secretive and worked for some of the Secret Earth Governments, Syndicates and World Military Forces (there could be several independent groups in this category)."

Very Cool stuff what kind of gave me an AH-HA moment with my personal life strangeness which I briefly described in my Intro Thread linked at the top is this comment that Corey stated here: exopolitics.org...

Dr. Salla:

" Q. You say that one of the space programs is a corporate conglomerate that runs like a fascist dictatorship that deceives personnel into signing on with false promises of a utopian like off-world working conditions. What else can you share about the corporate conglomerate in its off-world operations?

GoodET:

See above for more details that you may want to move to this section/question. This ICC-SSP has also in addition to the above information been steadily recruiting “Talent” from here on Earth. They have often shown hopeful recruits pamphlets and videos of high tech cities (usually elite subterranean cities that are located here on Earth) and told that they are going to live like “The Jetsons” and will be contributing to man kind developing technology to be released in the near future or in some cases told that the Earth is going to be hit with a “Solar Cataclysm” or “Pole Shift” that will wipe out all life. That “They are Special” (so many people are made to feel “Special” in these programs!) and so is their family. That they are being given an opportunity to save the human race (And their families) by moving to a Colony on Mars or else where to use their skills (usually their spouse has a needed skill as well) and their children will be raised and educated to become the builders of a new civilization and rebuild Earth. Those who believe what they are told and take their families to these colonies find quite a different environment when they arrive. They are met on the tarmac by Security Forces who escort their family to a 8×10 room (for their entire family, wife and kids) and the reality of their decision sets in. They are then given their “Assigned Work Duties”, as is their “Spouse”. They are informed that their children will be raised in a system (much like MILAB’s described above) where they will be educated and then provided a position in the community that best suits them and that when their children “Come of Age” they will be setup in “Arranged Marriages”. At this point they are stuck, they are slave labor and prisoners. I was told that when these “Colonies” were first established that they were done so in a fascist way to prevent any possible repeat of the “13 Colonies Rebellion” on Earth referring to the “colonies that became the United States”. These ICC-SSP groups are also very much involved in “Human Trafficking” and use these poor people as a commodity to trade off to various races for various purposes (That I will not go into) for trade and commerce of high technology and biological materials. (Note: I do not want to be insensitive to those who have loved ones who are missing persons, I do not want to feed the fear porn machine either. I stayed away from this topic with David Wilcock in the video recordings for that reason. It is a very sensitive topic and I want to respect those who have loved ones missing. Human trafficking is a horrible thing that is not focused on enough for the horrible things that surround what is involved in it on Earth. I am not cooping this horrible subject for my own purposes I assure you.)."

I will maybe write it in another THREAD on my experiences with the recruitment arm of a possible Milab or SSP colony. Its not for sure but it is very possible. My Story is similar to the above paragraph.

My closing to this thread and the info above is this:

I have always want to go do something amazing and great and I feel that we are enslaved here on earth by our own brothers and sisters. So if this SSP exists I want in and I don't want to be deceived. I look forward to your responses and try not to slay my post to much.

Raven1354

It may be my ignorance showing, however I've always held the beleif that it was the astronomical expense of doing anything like this that was inhibiting these types of things rather than any actual incapability.

a reply to: Raven1354
The most believable part is Das Marsprojekt. But even that is very questionable.
Von Braun did not know about the radiation present in interplanetary space, so he did not have sufficient shielding on the spacecraft as designed to protect the astronauts. Thus means that all of his fuel calculations were off.

a reply to: butcherguy

Interesting Thank you for your comment. I am not saying that all of this is truth however even if there is 1% truth in teach above source then maybe we are taking at least one more step forward in finding out the truth.

a reply to: Iamthatbish

I was in the military at one time and saw some of the prices of supplies. Not all but quite of bit of items were defenitly priced way higher then what you could find locally. so it makes me wonder if they truly are funneling money to fund such activities. Hell if its been going on now for decades maybe they don't need earth money to drive production when your off world.

I feel like I rushed on this thread. There was a lot more info I wanted to add however I am at work and was getting inundated by clients. So I apologize if it doesn't totally flow smoothly and ends kind of quickly.

a reply to: Raven1354

The first human-made object to reach the surface of the Moon was the Soviet Union's, in September of 1959.

The first manned mission to the Moon, was in 1969.

In the few short years following that, there was great progress in space missions within a short span of time.

... then suddenly it came to an end. We stopped going to the moon. What happened?

All these trillions of dollars that we are in debt.. how much of it has been spent on space missions?

It has been already 56 years since we first went to the moon, and think about the technology that was around at the time.. it was primitive, and we still were able to go to the moon. Imagine what we should have been able to do by now with what we know, and have today. It is very apparent that something has been intentionally holding us back from colonizing space. We should have had a colony on the moon a long time ago. And why do we not?

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I have not had the time to read your entire post yet. It looks interesting. will read it later. Thanks.

I heard somewhere they dedicated the big bay window in the ISS the Von Braun bay window.
Was Von Braun inspired by the earlier work of Tesla (1899)?

cool thread topic....we need the truth about the radiation belt.....

Great thread. Thanks for sharing the information and links!