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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ketsuko
You forgot to consider that Islam by definition means submission to God...
So what are we defending if not Allah when we defend Islam.
As to your examples...
Images of the prophet or desecration of the Quran...
That is subjective...
Some will protest loudly...
Some will protest violently...
Some, like myself, will amuse myself with thoughts of a lack of imagination at the hands of the transgressor.
If people get kicks out of that, I'll let Allah decide what should happen.
To me, it says more about their lack of creativity than anything else...
So they have my prayers.
originally posted by: crustyjuggler27
a reply to: Expat888
i have never heard of it. if these people i saw had it memorized then it was a third party dictation of it because they could not read it for themselves. so really if they did have it memorized in that way how can they be certain they had the words right.
originally posted by: THELONIO
a reply to: ketsuko
I guess maybe the main difference is that I believe as a Christian that God wants people to choose to follow Him of their own will. From what I have seen, much of Islam believes they have a commission to not only submit themselves but compel others to submit or be submitted in Allah's name.
this is an interesting angle. As a christian, do you feel that your religion is a good representation of your god or can you see hypocrisies that you choose to navigate around or choose your own path, please understand that i mean no offence, i am trying to learn about peoples religious choices and decisions,
There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
originally posted by: wyrmboy12
I guess it depends on your defintion of an idol first...
Do some muslims direct their prayers directly or indirectly at a giant lifeless black box located in Mecca? - yes they do....
Do some people consider that idolatry- yes they do
idolatry is defined per www.merriam-webster.com...
"the worship of a picture or object as a god"
Its a perspective thing i suppose.
a reply to: THELONIO
please dont be angry, i never intended to offend, I am trying to learn.
why are their so many different branches of islam?, wouldnt that point towards errors in understanding of the quran?
you must understand that I am coming from a view point that has no concept of their being a god, it appears to me that in order to surrender and better ones revereence of Allah that a muslim must move past / transcend the teachings/ lessons of the quran, discard the hadiths (these are made by man and not the words of god) and take their religious beliefs to the next level of understanding,
why would islam require a caliph/ pope to direct people in their relationship with Allah,
who or what is Allah to you, do you see him/her as an omnipitent being, how do you know that what you are following is a true and just god?
are muslims open to the idea that mohammed may have been duped
I mean no offence in asking these questions. with reference to my op, it still seems to me that as islam has evolved, as with any religion it cannot help but become hijacked by deviant people and used as a tool of power and control,
originally posted by: ketsuko
You miss the point. It's asking whether Islam itself has become the idol. It gets defended with all the fervor that some might think an actual deity ought to be defended.
So the question is - When an entity like ISIS does what it does, when all those Muslims pour into the streets because of cartoons or a rumor of what might have happened to a Koran ... are they defending Allah or are they defending Islam? Which do they love more? Allah or Islam?