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Why have Conservatives backed themselves into a corner?

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:01 AM
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We have two corporatist conservative parties. Each pays a bit of lip service to some wedge issues. But does nothing about them. Look at the recent Indiana kerfuffle. All kinds of brouhaha. But the law stays on the books. (With just a few piddly changes.) As do the other similar state laws and the federal law. Gay rights activists were played like a cheap fiddle.

True conservatives who believe in the constitution and genuine free market capitalism are nonexistent in the political sphere. And true leftists who deeply believe in civil liberties and an equitable banking system are equally unicorn-like.

The two parties agree on the major issues of domestic and foreign policy and continue to foist their massively illegal wars and banking practices on the rest of us. On these issues they take regular and daily action. And you can see near seamless continuity from Clinton to Bush to Obama.

The shadow puppet theater of the parties can be quite entertaining. But both sides serve the same masters.




posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: muse7

I think you have it wrong.

It's the progressives who have told everyone we're against everything. But it simply isn't so.

I'm not going to argue with you because you are a true believer, but I believe in plenty of those things you mention I just think they look a lot different than you do.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Wholeheartedly and emphatically agree with this post. The Left vs. Right cheerleading has got to stop. Nothing but two wings of the same diseased bird. Repubs and Demos care nothing for their constituents. I've been trying to get this point across to everyone I know around me and it is like talking to a group of brick walls. I fear it will only get worse.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: Bone75

Question: how come conservatives are always fixated with having things “shoved” down their throats? Is this some kind of Freudian thing? Just asking.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:49 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

I think you have it wrong.

It's the progressives who have told everyone we're against everything. But it simply isn't so.

I'm not going to argue with you because you are a true believer, but I believe in plenty of those things you mention I just think they look a lot different than you do.





It doesn't matter what the reality is...

In politics, perception is the only thing that matters and unless the conservatives start changing their image; most middle of the road, mainstream, moderate voters that are in the majority will continue to reject the "anti" perception the right wing has been saddled with. Especially the youthful voters that are becoming more a more politically aware due to social media. The younger voters will be a potent force in the upcoming elections as social media is becoming a huge force in politics. What does the right wing have to offer them? So far imo the conservatives are oblivious to the current political atmosphere...still relying on stupid old white guys, like Rush to hold the "party" together.

It's the conservatives that have created their own image , backed themselves into a very small corner and it's to their detriment. imo it's time the conservatives start taking responsibility for the image they created and stop playing the victim all the damn time. Nobody like a crybaby and that's their image.

Act all tough....and then whine about being treated unfairly.


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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

I think you have it wrong.

It's the progressives who have told everyone we're against everything. But it simply isn't so.

I'm not going to argue with you because you are a true believer, but I believe in plenty of those things you mention I just think they look a lot different than you do.






It doesn't matter what the reality is...

In politics, perception is the only thing that matters and unless the conservatives start changing their image; most middle of the road, mainstream, moderate voters ...


Let's look at what you're calling middle of the road. Endless wars, drone program that kills American citizens without due process, a banking system that rewards failure and trades on average citizens' good names to feather bed billionaires, made up enemies, a new cold war .... need I go on?

Only through Alice's looking glass does any of that look "middle of the road".
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: olbe66
a reply to: Bone75

Question: how come conservatives are always fixated with having things “shoved” down their throats? Is this some kind of Freudian thing? Just asking.

I'm not fixated with what you shove down my throat, I care more about what you are shoving up my ass. And THAT is why I will never vote left, liberal, democrat or "progressive". I've seen what the left does to the country when given power and I will do my part to assure it NEVER happens again.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: Moresby

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: muse7

I think you have it wrong.

It's the progressives who have told everyone we're against everything. But it simply isn't so.

I'm not going to argue with you because you are a true believer, but I believe in plenty of those things you mention I just think they look a lot different than you do.






It doesn't matter what the reality is...

In politics, perception is the only thing that matters and unless the conservatives start changing their image; most middle of the road, mainstream, moderate voters ...


Let's look at what you're calling middle of the road. Endless wars, drone program that kills American citizens without due process, a banking system that rewards failure and trades on average citizens' good names to feather bed billionaires, made up enemies, a new cold war .... need I go on?

Only through Alice's looking glass does any of that look "middle of the road".


As I said in my previous post; It's all about perception....

The things you mentioned, endless wars, drone program, banking system, feather bed billionaires, made up enemies, and the new cold war aren't a result of the mainstream moderate, middle of the road voters but a direct result of right wing conservative, neocon worship of the military industrial complex.

In actuallity there is no government....only corporate, banking, war profiteering, lobbiest extreme Right Wing cabal that worships at the feet of war and the blood sacrifice of young men and women. And more likely than not they call themselves Christians; all wrapped up in the flag and carrying the cross of the Crusades with the never ending chant of "en hoc signo vinces"

In my view it's much more complex than simple politics and right vs left. The overall control issues stem from something we can't see and even if we could, we couldn't understand the game being played by forces that remain mysterious and hidden.

I like to use the analogy of....I't like trying to teach pigs how to play poker...it can't be done and it annoys the pigs.

This thread gets as close to the situation as any I've ever scene.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and this one....if you are really interested.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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a reply to: muse7

First, there are no "reasonable" gun laws. The Constitution is the law of the land which trumps both Federal and State. The 2nd amendment is a God given right. You want to change gun laws? Amend the Constitution. Second, we're 17 trillion dollars in debt, who's going to pay for all these programs you demand? And immigration is only an issue when it's done illegally. We're a nation of immigrants, most Republicans support legal immigration. But are you honestly questioning why people have issues with undocumented people in our country? We're a nation of laws and borders, just like every other nation in the world.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: Moresby

And true leftists who deeply believe in civil liberties and an equitable banking system are equally unicorn-like.


As a mule, I'm already unicorn-like. If only you could see my invisible horn.

👣



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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Oh plz tell us how the conservatives are victims again. Hows that gop congress doing lol, still getting there checks in the mail, still crying about everything, blaming obama, and not doing anything.

Im so happy you have another 10 years to blame obama, 2 more years in power and 8 more years when who ever gets elected does the same thing as the past presidents.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Sad isn't it?

They tell lies, and you choose to believe it and admit that you do.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: olaru12

Sad isn't it?

They tell lies, and you choose to believe it and admit that you do.



You no longer have any credibility. You had rather insult me than debate. Say anything you want I just don't care.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:35 PM
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There are lots of things I don't like about both of the corporate parties in the US right now, however, the Democrats are more dangerous and more annoying to me. My gun rights are not up for negotiation. Disingenuous tactics like saying Republicans are anti-science. I just don't trust Liberals.

At least with a Republican I know where they stand and I believe they mean well. Liberals want to turn us into Europe or some other socialist utopia not to mention they don't seem to be pro-America which is what I want in an elected official.

How can you elect someone to run a country they hate?



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: olaru12

Sad isn't it?

They tell lies, and you choose to believe it and admit that you do.



You no longer have any credibility. You had rather insult me than debate. Say anything you want I just don't care.


You weren't "insulted" you were called on your BS.

Just saying.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:44 PM
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The GOP seems bent on suicide, if you ask me.
A monumental mid-term victory is handed to them, along with a mandate from the people to put a stop to the progressive agenda, and what do they do?
Oh, that's right, nothing.

I'm glad I've left that party WAY behind. So far behind, in fact, that they don't appear in my rearview mirror.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: olaru12

Sad isn't it?

They tell lies, and you choose to believe it and admit that you do.



You no longer have any credibility. You had rather insult me than debate. Say anything you want I just don't care.


You weren't "insulted" you were called on your BS.

Just saying.


And please point out to me the BS so I can either learn and acknowledge it or revel in the glory.....



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 01:08 AM
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Conservative is just another group of religidiots.

I prefer to call myself american and follow the constitution, its what the conservatives claim to do without the oppressive stance on gays and abortion.


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posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 03:13 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
There are lots of things I don't like about both of the corporate parties in the US right now, however, the Democrats are more dangerous and more annoying to me. My gun rights are not up for negotiation. Disingenuous tactics like saying Republicans are anti-science. I just don't trust Liberals.

At least with a Republican I know where they stand and I believe they mean well. Liberals want to turn us into Europe or some other socialist utopia not to mention they don't seem to be pro-America which is what I want in an elected official.

How can you elect someone to run a country they hate?


Respectfully...I think your "I don't trust Liberals" will be taken as an opinion. At least for me, it is more like "I know I can't trust Liberals based upon their actions in the past, their lies, their end-justifies-the-means and my personal experience".

Just trying to help



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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What's beautiful is that the GOP is 10-15 years away from being extinct. The next generation will read about the Republican party and the Catholic church in their history books. The only ones who will argue this are the conservatives that have no independent thought, and progression can't have them around anymore so they will be forced out piece by piece.


The point of no return as long been passed, now it's just a waiting game. These days people are questioning the BS and refuse to let archaic rules and regulations continue to strangle us.

Good times are coming people, hang on and enjoy the ride!




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