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Why have Conservatives backed themselves into a corner?

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:00 AM
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Seems that the Conservative platform these days is to oppose anything that is deemed "Liberal", and those things include things like Science, accessible healthcare, social safety nets, equal rights for LGBT people, reasonable Gun laws, affordable and accessible Education for everyone.

How can a political ideology succeed when they oppose these things that are some the most important issues to the majority of people worldwide? Especially young people?

Conservatives have backed themselves into this corner and now any conservatives that comes out in support of these "liberal" ideas are instantly chastised.

For a lot of Conservatives, whatever grade the NRA gives a politician is more important to them than their views on Education, Healthcare and the Environment. Let those stupid Liberals worry about the homeless, taxation, education, foreign relations and healthcare!

So why have Conservatives backed themselves into this corner? How do they expect to succeed when they oppose these things? How can they succeed while still believing a public business should have the right to discriminate against anyone based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

I would also love to hear from the international members and what their views are on Conservatism.




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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:16 AM
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a reply to: muse7

I'm guessing you missed the November elections? Liberals went too far shoving your pro-gay anti-Christian agenda down our throats, and now you're witnessing the backlash.

Conservatives are far from being backed in a corner, they're just waking up.


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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:26 AM
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originally posted by: muse7
Seems that the Conservative platform these days is to oppose anything that is deemed "Liberal", and those things include things like Science, accessible healthcare, social safety nets, equal rights for LGBT people, reasonable Gun laws, affordable and accessible Education for everyone.

How can a political ideology succeed when they oppose these things that are some the most important issues to the majority of people worldwide? Especially young people?



I can understand why people oppose these things in a nutshell:

There is no such thing as "reasonable gun laws" That's just fancy talk that gun grabbers use on a gullible public to make them "think" they are reasonable when those proposed laws actually do nothing to curb gun violence or crimes.

One of those so called reasonable gun laws actually contributes to the killing of children in the form of "gun free zones" where some serious scum take advantage of that stupidity by going to a gun free zone and letting loose with gun fire directly aimed at children.
Why do that in a gun free zone? Because who is going to stop them when no guns are allowed there?

All the other bleeding heart campaigns aimed at "helping" people are nothing remotely like that in reality either, but are just another way to take advantage of needy individuals and those who care about others, to trick them and use them as pawns. Usually just to get their vote!

You should be embarrassed to be this gullible by supporting any moron politician claiming to support these things.

Just look at our current POTUS POS and examine his like minded campaigning for all these kinds of things, and then examine how he used them all to undermine his constituents when it was discovered that EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAID WAS ALL LIES.

Saying that only conservatives would be against all these entitlements and sensible things sort of lumps all liberals into a corner of naivety and gullibility don't you think? Based on the discovery of all these so called sensible laws have all been used to trick people into giving up rights for false safety and if they do receive something, it eventually is used to control people more. Like what you can buy at the grocery store when using those nice gifts for poor people, except for steak and other things that some feel are just too delicious for shopping cart bums and deadbeats to buy with government assistance.

Conservatives and liberals are both guilty of a multitude of these things, so targeting conservatives alone is inaccurate as well..
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:39 AM
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a reply to: muse7

Speaking as a Brit who is married to an American (and she is a proud Oregonian at that) the present state of the GOP baffles the hell out of me. They took the Senate in November based on the lowest mid-term turnout in years, so they cannot say that they really won the vote. That said, they must realise that being wrong about everything will not give them a boost going into 2016. They were wrong about gay marriage, they were wrong about trickle-down economics, they were wrong about Iraq and they were wrong about Obamacare. In fact they seem to have spent the entire period of Obama's presidency with their fingers in their ears as they scream 'NO!!!' at the top of their lungs like spoilt children. Here in the UK the general feeling is they've gone raving mad as they head ever-rightwards. They also appear to have painted themselves into a religious corner as they embrace evangelical Christianity with a fervour. When are they going to realise that the old Christian white guy vote is not the only section of the electorate that matters?


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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:39 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: muse7

I'm guessing you missed the November elections? Liberals went too far shoving your pro-gay anti-Christian agenda down our throats, and now you're witnessing the backlash.

Conservatives are far from being backed in a corner, they're just waking up.



The November elections had the lowest turnout of voters since World War 2.



Just 36.4 percent of the voting-eligible population cast ballots as of last Tuesday



The last time voter turnout was so low during a midterm cycle was in 1942, when only 33.9 percent of eligible voters cast ballots.


Compare that turnout with 2008 & 2012

In 2008 the turnout was 62%
In 2012 it was 58%

www.washingtonpost.com...



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: Bone75

Yes, and look at how amazingly successful the conservative anti-gay agenda has been.. oh wait. Those durned lib'ruls!



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:49 AM
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originally posted by: muse7

The November elections had the lowest turnout of voters since World War 2.

Compare that turnout with 2008 & 2012

In 2008 the turnout was 62%
In 2012 it was 58%


You're comparing mid-term elections to presidential elections. Mid-term voter participation has been declining every cycle since 1964.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:06 AM
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originally posted by: Monger

Yes, and look at how amazingly successful the conservative anti-gay agenda has been.. oh wait. Those durned lib'ruls!


There is no anti-gay agenda. If you're referring to the opposition to gay marriage, you can chalk those losses up to the "too big to fail" corporations blackmailing state legislators.

I don't recall getting a vote on the issue... do you?


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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: Bone75

I don't know what you're on about. My country has had legal gay marriages on the federal level for years. Guess what? The world is still turning, and nobody has been forced to get gay married if they don't want to.

Why is it 'voting with your wallet' when one group does it, but 'economic blackmail' from the other side?

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: Bone75

Double.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:32 AM
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originally posted by: muse7
So why have Conservatives backed themselves into this corner? How do they expect to succeed when they oppose these things? How can they succeed while still believing a public business should have the right to discriminate against anyone based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

I would also love to hear from the international members and what their views are on Conservatism.


It's the ideology that's the problem.

The Republican party, in any other modern country, would have evolved by now, but in the USA you have the powerful Christian Fundamentalists, the NRA, and "Christian" owned corporations donating the lions share of their income. If they were to evolve to reflect social progress and the attitudes of the voting public they would lose a lot of that money and support.

Lets be honest here, most politicians in the USA are not in their job to benefit their public, they're in it for the ego, the glory and the money. They know that serving a corporation in their job will guarantee them a nice comfortable nameplate job on a board of directors when they retire from politics.

The Republican party is in an impossible position, and some Republican's are finally working this out for themselves. The statistics do not lie, it's very clear for all to see that the youth are moving on from their moralistic and religious bs, and they are not taking the young with them. This is only going to get worse for the Republican party as the old die off and their core voting base diminishes.

This is what social evolution does to politics and religion, two things that are so reluctant to modernise. They become increasingly irrelevant to the public, until they eventually die out themselves through lack of support.

We know what is going to happen, eventually. The Republican party will be be forced to split. If it doesn't, it will die completely, and then replaced by a fiscally conservative party.

What they need to do if they want to retain the name of the traditional party is become fiscally conservative, abandon the bigotries and the religious nonsense, stop telling people how they should live their lives and stop trying to dictate unpopular policies. They need to push out the Tea Party loons and start focusing on being a purely economically conservative party if they want any hope of being relevant in the future.

This will mean losing out on the funding from the more radical groups who want to inflict their morals and religion on society, and that money will probably go to a more extreme right wing political group with no power and no hope of ever getting it.

Either way the Republican party will be forced to change to suit the needs of the public. They can either choose to do that now and maybe have a few years of decline before coming back with a more rational and publicly supported party, or they can stick their heads in the sand and pretend they are still relevant, and continue to push for the nonsense they want to push, and see a constant decline over the coming decade, eventually becoming defunct and replaced by something else.

It's really all up to them, as an outsider I don't care much what they do, either way America is going to move on from this religious peaching bs because the youth do not want it.


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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:37 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: muse7

I'm guessing you missed the November elections? Liberals went too far shoving your pro-gay anti-Christian agenda down our throats, and now you're witnessing the backlash.

Conservatives are far from being backed in a corner, they're just waking up.



Ah, I see you're another one ignoring reality


The youth do not want your anti-gay, pro-Christian nonsense. We know that American society is moving away from organized religion, and toward LGBT equality across the country. Every set of stats worth reading shows this to be the case.

You can claim a "Republican Christian resurgence" all you like, it's complete bs if the public does not support it.

Right now the Republican party is backed into a corner, and some within it (the more extreme "Christians") are lashing out like deranged animals at everything they can. They are desperate. They see their influence diminishing and they see LGBT equality spreading across the country and they can't stand it.

Thankfully, the public has already decided. They would rather have an America where all are treated equally under the law, than an America controlled by religious despots and their archaic thinking.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 06:28 AM
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Come live in England - where we have a coalition between the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives.

I know... I know!!!

And people still take it seriously!!!!



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: muse7

I'm guessing you missed the November elections? Liberals went too far shoving your pro-gay anti-Christian agenda down our throats, and now you're witnessing the backlash.

Conservatives are far from being backed in a corner, they're just waking up.



I agree. But also , as the OP referred to the Conservatives "backed into a corner" is true. The Progressives in this country not only have the Conservatives backed into a corner they have all other groups there as well . When any creature is backed into a corner they have only one instinct and that is to come out of that corner. What is happening now , the people of this country are waking up and following their instinct for self preservation. What was once the great Democratic Party has been totally overran by Progressive Liberals. Lets face it , this country was built on the backs of the blue collar Democrat. There are few original Democrats left now and the last true Democrat passed away with Ted Kennedy.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: muse7

I'm guessing you missed the November elections? Liberals went too far shoving your pro-gay anti-Christian agenda down our throats, and now you're witnessing the backlash.

Conservatives are far from being backed in a corner, they're just waking up.



It's funny that you think this and don't realize that Republicans winning over Congress last election actually fits a pattern that dates back MANY mid term elections. It's called the six year itch. It happened during Bush's presidency and clinton's before hand.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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why in this day and age do people still believe that one political party is better then the other? rich elitist do not represent me or my best interests. and the in the corner thing, wasn't the dems in a corner over aca and thats why they lost? its kind of sad to see people believe what some puppet with an R or D has to say. they tell you what you want to hear so you keep in power and they can take what you work and spend it on something you want no part in.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: and14263
Come live in England - where we have a coalition between the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives.

I know... I know!!!

And people still take it seriously!!!!


Actually with the exception of there love of the EU the Liberal democrats do lean on the libertarian right in some ways. Low taxes and leaner more efficient social programs and government.

They are far from the no government tea party types in the USA but they not really big government bloated programs either.

Its why Im confused at there EU stance....
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:21 AM
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Conservative Vs. Liberal.

Left Vs. Right.

Republican Vs. Democrat.

Yes, buy into the MSM garbage that's shoved down the American public's throat every day. "If you ain't liberal you're uneducated and worthless!" Hmmm.. "If you're not conservative you're not patriotic and want to see this country fail!" Hmm...

Do you enjoy that illusion of choice? The MSM packages opinions into easily digestible soundbytes that are repeated ad-nauseum until you accept it, depending on which flavor of lies you prefer (left or right?).

"Obamacare is bad!" Well.. It was RomneyCare before that.
"The Keystone Pipeline is bad!" Hmm, don't see what's bad about creating more jobs, even if temporary.
"Gay marriage is bad!" Okay grandpa.
"Unemployment is at historic lows!" By who's measuring stick?

Break out of the left/right dichotomy and realize that neither side is looking out for you, and nothing will change until the U.S. elects a third-party candidate president, which will likely never happen so long as the corporations fight to maintain the status quo.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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Science
Didn't know conservatives were anti-science. Unless you mean the global climate alarmists who try to push legislation with biased scientific results.


accessible healthcare
lolz Guess it's not "affordable" now. False also because people have always has access to healthcare. It's just that leftists wanted government to take control and remove it from the hands of the individual.

social safety nets
Welfare is to help people, it shouldn't be a carreer choice.

equal rights for LGBT people
Non issue. Supreme Court will decide this in 2 months.

reasonable Gun laws,
As long as your "reasonable" gun laws don't conflict with the 2nd Amendment. . . then law away!

affordable and accessible Education for everyone
Like common core? Or do you want "free" college?



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:22 AM
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The Left Wing MSM are the ones placing Conservatives in a corner.

All by deceptive stories.



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