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North Charleston cop charged with murder after video surfaces of him shooting man in the back

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posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but can someone point out the broken tail light because I just don't see it. From the article linked below, it states that Mr. Scott was pulled over for a broken tail light.
From the video showing him getting pulled over, you can see that his left turn signal is on and when he's breaking, I see all tail lights glowing. Although, when officer Slager is approaching the driver's side of Scott's vehicle, you see him pat the left tail light a couple of times. To me, it appears that this tail light as well as all the others are intact and working just fine. Does anyone see otherwise?
www.nytimes.com...

So, if all the lights were OK, what was the reason Scott was pulled over?

Also, Scott was 50 years old and well aware of his physical abilities. From the looks of his escape attempt, running isn't his strong suit. Slager is younger and more fit. Did Scott really believe he could out run Slager? Considering Slager's actions, it's safe to say that Slager's lazy, and possibly blood thirsty, when he could've successfully tackled Scott and made a proper arrest.
Or maybe Scott was targeted for some reason and only a select few are aware of why he was marked for death.
Another thing to consider is that Slager never looks at or acknowledges the spectator(s)? How do you kill a man, justified or otherwise, out in the open and not look around to see if anyone saw what just went down? I would think this would be a natural reaction unless you're in a place like a basement where there was no chance that somebody saw what happened.
Something else I noticed is Slager's complete lack of emotion or stress. He's cool as a cucumber. It's as if he's dissociated since he calmly goes through his actions as though he's been programmed to complete this task and not be worried about who's watching. Now, I'm not a clinical psychologist, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that Slager is a sociopath and could even be considered a psychopath.
Not to forget the question of who in their right mind plants evidence in full view of witness who may be filming? Only a true sociopath believes that he can get away with anything even when all evidence demonstrates otherwise.

Also, shouldn't Slager have done a quick survey of the general area to make sure there were to innocents around before discharging his weapon? After all, he wasn't in danger at this point because the suspect is fleeing, so why couldn't he have checked for those who may get hit in the crossfire or by ricochet?

If a policeman is this oblivious to who and what is going on around him, his skills of observation and judgment are severely lacking and he shouldn't even be on the streets until he's had intensive re-training and passes all tests including and not limited to drug tests.

Just speaking for myself, a proper Officer of the Law/Public Servant with nothing to hide would be well aware from the beginning that people were around. I would think an officer in this situation would've instructed the witnesses to stay where they were in order to get their statements and preserve the footage they caught. But, he never once engages with the onlookers and I haven't seen where the other officer on the scene does either. Considering all the cases where officers have attempted to confiscate and erase footage, I find if odd that this particular camera man was able to leave without issue or question. Does anyone know otherwise?

Lastly, now we're hearing that there wasn't a warrant out for his arrest. So, why did he think there was, or what was the real reason he fled?

I have to admit that there's a lot of details that just don't make sense and appear contrived causing me to consider the fact that there's a greater than average possibility that this was indeed a manufactured event to some degree.
edit on 10-4-2015 by Afterthought because: link




posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Absolutely.

In the current case being discussed, the officer is in the wrong, of this there is no doubt.

On the other hand... IF one is pulled over, or confronted by the police, is it not the height of stupidity to do anything but behave rationally and behave with civility?

I am 60 years old...I didnt reach this age by acting stupidly in critical situations. It does not take genius level intelligence, nor anything but just a tad bit of common sense to realize that a) running from police will never turn out well for you, no matter what the results. b) becoming aggressive with the police will never turn out well, no matter what the results are.

I see 2 problems with the most recent well publicized events: The "victim" behaves in a totally stupid manner when confronted by police. Either they respond aggressively, they resist arrest or they run. How stupid do you have to be to not realize that those 3 responses will not turn out well for you? Problem #2 is how the police react...but that has been discussed ad nauseum.

In the media, it is almost never discussed how the "victim" could have avoided a bad situation.

This is a discourse that needs to take place.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: Afterthought
I have read that he was behind in child support payments, not sure if there was a warrant or not..perhaps he thought he was going to jail for it.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Afterthought

IF you look at the left rear light as the car is pulling into the parking lot and then again when stopping it is clear that the tail light is broken. White shows when the brake is being applied. Perhaps this is not so obvious in the youtube versions, but it was quite obvious in the video they have shown on CNN.

Youtube video quality is compressed, sometimes to hell and back and should not be used to draw conclusions when quality video is needed for those conclusions.

It's not like the dashcam is high quality video to begin with.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: vonclod

According to CNN (whatever that is worth) in the early reporting it was stated mutliple times that he had several warrants related to child support.

He is now being portrayed as a good father etc etc. Not supporting your kids is not what I call being a good father. Not that it is relevant in the least... last I checked not paying one's child support does not carry the death penalty. Rather it's an illustration of how media and family can and will misrepresent facts.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Spending soooooo much time defending a murderer....

If I tore up a parking ticket in threw it on the ground, Should I get shot and murdered or reticketed?
If I mooned a police man from a football stand and ran should I be shot and murdered or arrested?
If I ran from police because I had just seen them beating someone, and they told me to stop should I be shot and murdered?
Have you a uniform hanging in your closet shiny and ready to come out when the fascit police state is achieved at last?


Exactly where do you see me defending anyone? Maybe you just post without reading?



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Absolutely.

In the current case being discussed, the officer is in the wrong, of this there is no doubt.

On the other hand... IF one is pulled over, or confronted by the police, is it not the height of stupidity to do anything but behave rationally and behave with civility?

I am 60 years old...I didnt reach this age by acting stupidly in critical situations. It does not take genius level intelligence, nor anything but just a tad bit of common sense to realize that a) running from police will never turn out well for you, no matter what the results. b) becoming aggressive with the police will never turn out well, no matter what the results are.

I see 2 problems with the most recent well publicized events: The "victim" behaves in a totally stupid manner when confronted by police. Either they respond aggressively, they resist arrest or they run. How stupid do you have to be to not realize that those 3 responses will not turn out well for you? Problem #2 is how the police react...but that has been discussed ad nauseum.

In the media, it is almost never discussed how the "victim" could have avoided a bad situation.

This is a discourse that needs to take place.





Thank you!!! Apparently for some people around here, if you don't simply hate and "join the club", you are defending a criminal (the cop). Personally...I think as a 50 year old that THAT is part of our society's problems. Join the riot or become a target.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Absolutely.

In the current case being discussed, the officer is in the wrong, of this there is no doubt.

On the other hand... IF one is pulled over, or confronted by the police, is it not the height of stupidity to do anything but behave rationally and behave with civility?

I am 60 years old...I didnt reach this age by acting stupidly in critical situations. It does not take genius level intelligence, nor anything but just a tad bit of common sense to realize that a) running from police will never turn out well for you, no matter what the results. b) becoming aggressive with the police will never turn out well, no matter what the results are.

I see 2 problems with the most recent well publicized events: The "victim" behaves in a totally stupid manner when confronted by police. Either they respond aggressively, they resist arrest or they run. How stupid do you have to be to not realize that those 3 responses will not turn out well for you? Problem #2 is how the police react...but that has been discussed ad nauseum.

In the media, it is almost never discussed how the "victim" could have avoided a bad situation.

This is a discourse that needs to take place.





Thank you!!! Apparently for some people around here, if you don't simply hate and "join the club", you are defending a criminal (the cop). Personally...I think as a 50 year old that THAT is part of our society's problems. Join the riot or become a target.



The police are paid, trained and armed to be professional and not to retaliate. They're job is specifically to be above the fray and handle themselves professionally in any situation.

It doesn't matter what the offender has done. That's for the courts to decide any punishment. But that's not how police are being trained to deal with the citizenry.


Exactly like the cop who punched a hand cuffed 110lb female hard enough to break her orbital bone and wasn't charged. She was hand cuffed in the back seat of the squad car. Once she realized she wasn't gonna talk her way out of a trip to jail. She freaked out turned on her side and kicked the officer in the leg. This 200lb cop punches the already subdued woman in the face like a man. It was 100% retaliation. Yet it was considered lawful by the state. Even with video evidence....


Should she have been charged with striking an officer? Of course! Should an officer be allowed to retaliate against a citizen? Absolutely not!
edit on 10-4-2015 by Entreri06 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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A thing to remember, most police are not highly trained. A 2 day class once a year isnot good training. A question..i wonder how many of the officers involved in doing this stupid stuff are on some typeof prescription meds?



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: clearmind
A thing to remember, most police are not highly trained. A 2 day class once a year isnot good training. A question..i wonder how many of the officers involved in doing this stupid stuff are on some typeof prescription meds?


Police acadamy last way longer then 2 days...



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: clearmind
A thing to remember, most police are not highly trained. A 2 day class once a year isnot good training. A question..i wonder how many of the officers involved in doing this stupid stuff are on some typeof prescription meds?


Are the ex-military types in the police of the same incompetence, egotistical, authoritarian mentality?



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 02:36 PM
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posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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edit on 10-4-2015 by LOSTinAMERICA because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: Entreri06

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Absolutely.

In the current case being discussed, the officer is in the wrong, of this there is no doubt.

On the other hand... IF one is pulled over, or confronted by the police, is it not the height of stupidity to do anything but behave rationally and behave with civility?

I am 60 years old...I didnt reach this age by acting stupidly in critical situations. It does not take genius level intelligence, nor anything but just a tad bit of common sense to realize that a) running from police will never turn out well for you, no matter what the results. b) becoming aggressive with the police will never turn out well, no matter what the results are.

I see 2 problems with the most recent well publicized events: The "victim" behaves in a totally stupid manner when confronted by police. Either they respond aggressively, they resist arrest or they run. How stupid do you have to be to not realize that those 3 responses will not turn out well for you? Problem #2 is how the police react...but that has been discussed ad nauseum.

In the media, it is almost never discussed how the "victim" could have avoided a bad situation.

This is a discourse that needs to take place.





Thank you!!! Apparently for some people around here, if you don't simply hate and "join the club", you are defending a criminal (the cop). Personally...I think as a 50 year old that THAT is part of our society's problems. Join the riot or become a target.



The police are paid, trained and armed to be professional and not to retaliate. They're job is specifically to be above the fray and handle themselves professionally in any situation.

It doesn't matter what the offender has done. That's for the courts to decide any punishment. But that's not how police are being trained to deal with the citizenry.


Exactly like the cop who punched a hand cuffed 110lb female hard enough to break her orbital bone and wasn't charged. She was hand cuffed in the back seat of the squad car. Once she realized she wasn't gonna talk her way out of a trip to jail. She freaked out turned on her side and kicked the officer in the leg. This 200lb cop punches the already subdued woman in the face like a man. It was 100% retaliation. Yet it was considered lawful by the state. Even with video evidence....


Should she have been charged with striking an officer? Of course! Should an officer be allowed to retaliate against a citizen? Absolutely not!

I don't disagree with you and I'm not going to speak to an incident based solely upon your brief overview. But let me ask you this...if I, a 6'2" 250lb adult were confronted by a cop and punched him in the face. And when he came at me, I punched him in the face again. Exactly at what point is a taser or gun permitted to be used? Five punches? After I draw blood? After he can't stand? When??? No...this has nothing to do with the crime this thread is about...but I'm curious when you would consider a taser or gun used. If I punch him in the face...can he punch me or is that brutality? An eye for an eye? Turn the other cheek? Where do you want this cop, maybe with a wife and children to decide he can protect himself while still doing his job of arresting me (as in my example).

Or...once I punch him do you expect him to walk away, leave me alone to run away and not do his job of arresting me?
edit on 4/10/2015 by WeAreAWAKE because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: bullcat

originally posted by: clearmind
A thing to remember, most police are not highly trained. A 2 day class once a year isnot good training. A question..i wonder how many of the officers involved in doing this stupid stuff are on some typeof prescription meds?


Are the ex-military types in the police of the same incompetence, egotistical, authoritarian mentality?



It could be that the influx of ex military is adding to the crazy cops we already have. It's 2 vastly different job discription .



People forget that people someone who is an amazing warrior rarely translates into a great person in the civilized sense. Like with Chris Kyle. Was he an American hero? Absolutely!!! But he was also a pretty well documented liar.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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Something has been bugging me and sorry if it's already been posted....

I wonder how many traffic tickets are written in the immediate area of the auto parts store? Are LEOs in North Charleston lining their coffers by writing chump tickets for poor folk trying to fix their own broken cars?

Also, I don't think this officer should be charged with murder. Scott ran, there was a struggle, I'm sure adrenaline played a part so manslaughter? But for sure some sort of conspiracy charge or obstruction of justice for moving the taser and for writing the BS report...for both officers.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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Also, I don't think this officer should be charged with murder. Scott ran, there was a struggle, I'm sure adrenaline played a part so manslaughter?


Good point! I'm for what ever charge is most likely to get a conviction! Words are important in these "legal" matters.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Entreri06

originally posted by: bullcat

originally posted by: clearmind
A thing to remember, most police are not highly trained. A 2 day class once a year isnot good training. A question..i wonder how many of the officers involved in doing this stupid stuff are on some typeof prescription meds?


Are the ex-military types in the police of the same incompetence, egotistical, authoritarian mentality?



It could be that the influx of ex military is adding to the crazy cops we already have. It's 2 vastly different job discription .



People forget that people someone who is an amazing warrior rarely translates into a great person in the civilized sense. Like with Chris Kyle. Was he an American hero? Absolutely!!! But he was also a pretty well documented liar.


I have a few friends who pulled 4 tours back to back. What you described it indeed true. It's the leaderships fault for letting them pull that many tours. It takes part of your soul with each one. Maybe that was the result they wanted.



posted on Apr, 10 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: Entreri06

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Absolutely.

In the current case being discussed, the officer is in the wrong, of this there is no doubt.

On the other hand... IF one is pulled over, or confronted by the police, is it not the height of stupidity to do anything but behave rationally and behave with civility?

I am 60 years old...I didnt reach this age by acting stupidly in critical situations. It does not take genius level intelligence, nor anything but just a tad bit of common sense to realize that a) running from police will never turn out well for you, no matter what the results. b) becoming aggressive with the police will never turn out well, no matter what the results are.

I see 2 problems with the most recent well publicized events: The "victim" behaves in a totally stupid manner when confronted by police. Either they respond aggressively, they resist arrest or they run. How stupid do you have to be to not realize that those 3 responses will not turn out well for you? Problem #2 is how the police react...but that has been discussed ad nauseum.

In the media, it is almost never discussed how the "victim" could have avoided a bad situation.

This is a discourse that needs to take place.





Thank you!!! Apparently for some people around here, if you don't simply hate and "join the club", you are defending a criminal (the cop). Personally...I think as a 50 year old that THAT is part of our society's problems. Join the riot or become a target.



The police are paid, trained and armed to be professional and not to retaliate. They're job is specifically to be above the fray and handle themselves professionally in any situation.

It doesn't matter what the offender has done. That's for the courts to decide any punishment. But that's not how police are being trained to deal with the citizenry.


Exactly like the cop who punched a hand cuffed 110lb female hard enough to break her orbital bone and wasn't charged. She was hand cuffed in the back seat of the squad car. Once she realized she wasn't gonna talk her way out of a trip to jail. She freaked out turned on her side and kicked the officer in the leg. This 200lb cop punches the already subdued woman in the face like a man. It was 100% retaliation. Yet it was considered lawful by the state. Even with video evidence....


Should she have been charged with striking an officer? Of course! Should an officer be allowed to retaliate against a citizen? Absolutely not!

I don't disagree with you and I'm not going to speak to an incident based solely upon your brief overview. But let me ask you this...if I, a 6'2" 250lb adult were confronted by a cop and punched him in the face. And when he came at me, I punched him in the face again. Exactly at what point is a taser or gun permitted to be used? Five punches? After I draw blood? After he can't stand? When??? No...this has nothing to do with the crime this thread is about...but I'm curious when you would consider a taser or gun used. If I punch him in the face...can he punch me or is that brutality? An eye for an eye? Turn the other cheek? Where do you want this cop, maybe with a wife and children to decide he can protect himself while still doing his job of arresting me (as in my example).

Or...once I punch him do you expect him to walk away, leave me alone to run away and not do his job of arresting me?


I would say they would have the right to gaze you the second you refused an order then walked tward them in a combative stance. There is a massive difference from useing the least force required to subdue a suspect and retaliation.


A gun now that's a totally different story...


I think one of the major problems is the wording of the laws protecting police officers.

A police officer can use deadly force anytime they FEEL their life or the life of others are threatened. The police officers life need not actually be endanger....he just has to be able to show that he felt endangered. Feelings are subjective, feelings can be wrong.

First off we should definatly body can all police officers.

Then I would make the police officer responsible for the facts or the case, not how he felt about it.

For example; some one reaches in there coat as the cop orders there hands up and the cop shoots them dead.

If the citizen had a gun and was reaching for it. Your aces well done!

If it was some freaked our citizen reaching for there wallet, it's manslaughter.

No excuses, no giving passes for police jumping the gun. They are armed and armored to the teeth. They can wait the 3 seconds it will take to confirm it's a gun.

I think just those 2 changes would help tons!


We wouldn't need body cams and such if the good cops wouldn't protect the bad ones. If police officers held there brothers to the same standard they hold regular folk. This problem would have gone away decades ago...



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