My take on the true story of Jesus... if he existed.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs


The figure "Jesus"' was a socialist. He is recorded as admonishing 'capitalism' and encouraging people to let go of material gains and to instead look after their fellow men/women who are suffering and left wanting.
Can you show me where this is wrong?

This understanding, I mean?

I get how it's tempting to think that, but step back and realise that now you too are using "Jesus" for political capital.

You just became The Vatican

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
But....
why?

If you've really explored all religions and dogmas, and compared them....why on Earth would you come back to the Jesus myth? I mean, I totally understand "his" [universal] message of looking after others....of being humble and connected to the Earth....of being aware that this is a temporary existence.....

But modern "Christianity" is more about bombing others, and forcing others to comply, and cutting others off from food and shelter, and rights, and so forth and so on.

How are you okay with that???

There could be many reasons why people come back to Christianity.

Perhaps they were with Jesus in a past life and he blessed them deeply and his teachings resonate with their deeper being even to this day.

Perhaps they want to live by his principles each day, and not by what Christianity became thanks to Paul and others.

Perhaps they want to help re-align Christianity to what Jesus had in mind and have been blessed by the Holy Spirit and now understand something of what his esoteric teachings are.

Christianity, in terms of Jesus' original teachings, can be a great means for transcending all this "missing of the mark" that goes on.

It depends on the person, and if they are open and sincere in their approach to spiritual life, what they are called to will be granted one way or another by the Divine.

If they are doing it just to have something to believe in, to cover their bets when they die given Paul's salvation message, etc., then that is another matter.

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: Answer

We'll all find out for ourselves sooner or later. Why is destroying Christianity so important to you folks? For a bunch non-believers, ya'll sure spend a lot of time obsessing over it.

Because Christianity is at the very heart of hiding the real truths of existence.

It does the best masterful job of capping and limiting every potential, it is a mish mash so extremely cleverly done as to stop cold those souls who are the closest (for the most part) to ridding themselves of the BS that rules this planet.

Its core tenets rule over ALL the other major religions (albeit subtly) and you will find that it is at the very root the most terrible control set over the subconscious that has us living in the MATRIX if you will.

It pretends to hold hope, and freedom, these are always the most evil, for they hold nothing at all, but a continuation of failure wrapped in a flag of victory.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
Because Christianity is at the very heart of hiding the real truths of existence.

It does the best masterful job of capping and limiting every potential, it is a mish mash so extremely cleverly done as to stop cold those souls who are the closest (for the most part) to ridding themselves of the BS that rules this planet.

Its core tenets rule over ALL the other major religions (albeit subtly) and you will find that it is at the very root the most terrible control set over the subconscious that has us living in the MATRIX if you will.

It pretends to hold hope, and freedom, these are always the most evil, for they hold nothing at all, but a continuation of failure wrapped in a flag of victory.

So you feel like you are the victim here? It sounds like you are blaming Christianity on keeping you and/or others from waking up to "the real truths of existence".

I certainly don't agree with many of the modern methods of the institutions called Christianity - in fact, I have often written that if Christians would look at the actual Teachings of Jesus, they would find that Jesus taught a form of non-dualism, with real parallels to many of the spiritual traditions of the East.

Jesus did not teach what is being proselytized and sold by many so-called Christian institutions these days for all kinds of egoic, political, fraudulent, corrupt reasons.

But if Christianity does, as you say, "stop cold those souls who are the closest (for the most part) to ridding themselves of the BS that rules this planet" - if they are actually that close to awakening from this dream-matrix, those souls always have the option to utterly turn to the Divine Reality, and allow Reality to move them beyond whatever limits they assume are holding them up.

In other words, we must shake off whatever conditioning our previous and current patterns have on us, and instead always choose to live our connection with the Divine, regardless of what bs is happening. Communion with God is always possible no matter what!

I agree this is much easier said than done, but nonetheless, this personal responsibility to release any blame game, any reason not to commune with God now, is necessary to transcend all limits that keep us from the real truth of Reality.

If Christians engaged Jesus' actual teachings of his two great commandments fully, their lives would utterly change. Those commandments require both an outer (exoteric) discipline of the body-mind in surrender to God, and an inner (esoteric) surrender to the Divine.

This real in-life approach was basically snuffed out by the Church created mainly by Paul, but there were those who understood this ordeal of self-transcendence, and did not just opt for the easy-believer's method of the promise of salvation upon death.

Certain people then and now want a real life in communion with God every day, not just a promise that if you just believe, somehow, you will awaken or be saved when you die.

So Christians do certainly still have this choice, and it is clearly stated in the Bible as Jesus' direct Teachings, so destroying Christianity is unnecessary, though obviously a real transformation would serve greatly. But that is up to all Christians.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: windword

No, you can show me hundreds of passages taken out of context. You're not going to get what you want out of me. How am I supposed to prove to you something that you have already ruled out?

Show us the god approved system of reading things in the context that you do, because we all lack belief in the flawed system, and therefore cannot see it.

The problem is this, you believe these set rules that you have read somehow apply to this Earth, and have some kind of rationale behind them.

So, we must totally destroy this system of beliefs that CLEARLY have nothing to do with the everyday human being, and have a lot to do with SOMETHING ELSE, SOMEONE ELSE.

Make no mistake, we see whom we are going to have to remove, and unfortunately the Christians are being used as shields, this is the REAL crime against them.

I can feel that the Christians who have been blasted with so much propaganda that FOX could never top, actually believe that they are a part of a war that is going on, but the only crime they have is of not believing the insane system that holds everyone captive.

a reply to: ParasuvO

I let the scripture inerpret itself. There is no need for outside interpretations.

Who exactly are we shielding?

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: ParasuvO

I let the scripture inerpret itself. There is no need for outside interpretations.

I believe that's a failure to do one's due diligence.

Taking anything, especially a book, at face value and treating it as the absolute truth is a dangerous precedent.

Why, then, is the Holy Bible true and worthy of such lofty designation as the "word of god" and not any of the other religious texts?

a reply to: Answer

It is failure of one's due diligence to introduce foreign ideas into a self interpreting unit. It suggests that the interpretor has not taken the time to study the scriptures in the first place.

Why should God have to reveal Himself through multiple and conflicting "religious" texts. God revealed Himself through the progression of the Biblical scriptures. At the time of the OT, He chose Israel to represent Him on earth, so why should He have use any other text?

People say that there are many true religions and many truely holy scriptures, yet they all conflict. Why would God fragment the truth in multiple cultures? If there is a unified truth, it would be garded in one account. The Bible offers an explanation on where we came from, why we are here in this present state, and where we are going. Furthermore, it does so in a unique way with all prophecies leading up to the 70th Week fulfilled. After generation of attempted suppression of the truth, it still exists as a whole. No other holy book can even touch that standard.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Answer

It is failure of one's due diligence to introduce foreign ideas into a self interpreting unit. It suggests that the interpretor has not taken the time to study the scriptures in the first place.

Why should God have to reveal Himself through multiple and conflicting "religious" texts. God revealed Himself through the progression of the Biblical scriptures. At the time of the OT, He chose Israel to represent Him on earth, so why should He have use any other text?

People say that there are many true religions and many truely holy scriptures, yet they all conflict. Why would God fragment the truth in multiple cultures? If there is a unified truth, it would be garded in one account. The Bible offers an explanation on where we came from, why we are here in this present state, and where we are going. Furthermore, it does so in a unique way with all prophecies leading up to the 70th Week fulfilled. After generation of attempted suppression of the truth, it still exists as a whole. No other holy book can even touch that standard.

Every religious person on Earth believes in their book just as strongly as you believe in yours.

If the Holy Bible is the end-all, be-all of god's revelation, what say you of the many religious stories that came before the OT that were held on an equally lofty pedestal?

Greco-Roman Polytheism, for example, was the gold standard for hundreds of years until Christianity started to spread and the persecution of "pagans" (all non-Christians) basically snuffed out the entire religion. The stories were once held as the truth about our origins the nature of the gods but now we enjoy those writings as obvious tall tales and fanciful imaginings of men because they were forcefully denied by early Christians.

Why did god wait until around 1400 B.C. to start revealing the "true" story and only give out bits and pieces of the story over the next several hundred years?

a reply to: Answer

The Greco-Roman pantheon is a recyling of the demons that inherited the nations when Babel fell. God chose Abraham's seed to be His nation. That is why Israel was born in 1440 BC. The Jews didnt actually enter the land until 1400 BC, which was 1050 years (490+70+490) after the Flood. There is a design to all of history, and there are too many factors to explain, to help you understand how it works.

Its always been YHWH verses the Satanic pantheon. All pagan religions simply rename and recycle these old gods (Islam and Budhism included), but YHWH has always made His position and will clear: the Messiah must atone for man's sins with His own death. Faith in that sacrifice will bring Eternal Life. Jesus is that Messiah.

The fact that each religion claims to have the absolute truth should tell you that the truth really is out there, and that religion was created as a counterfeit system.