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originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
God had specific rules about the Sabbath to teach rest and worship. If Israel did not comply, bad things happened. After all, it was God who delivered Israel from the slavery in Egypt. A person who did not rest on the Sabbath, did not rest his faith in God.
Marriages were always arranged in those days, whether in Israel or in the gentile nations. As part of the curse that God put on the earth, a wife is alway to obey her husband. This curse will be lifted at the end of the Millennium. This was a general understanding in those days. I dont see how this constitutes rape, which is a violent sexual crime.
In the OT, the "rod" or "staff" was a device of disipline. The only justification for beating a slave with a staff would be for criminal punishment. Im pretty sure that Exodus 21:20-21 does not condone the general mistreatment of slaves.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Answer
War and legal execution is not the same as murder, which is premeditated. Nor is rape the same as marriage. Rape is a violent sexual crime.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: Answer
Well you don't know much about history...the fact you keep rephrasing "if he existed at all" shows your incompetence when it comes to doing good historical research. The burden of proof rest on me as you lack belief in the existence of the man.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
It wasnt considered rape to the groom or the bride in those days, as it was COMMON KNOWLEDGE back then that women had no choice in marriage. The bride was give a mourning period, and then marriage, which was not rape by any standard back then.
You are judging their culture by today's standards.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
Furthermore, the Jesus that you applauded in the OP claimed to be YHWH, therefore it was Jesus in His pre-incarnate form who gave those orders.
In that case, god's sense of morality is unacceptable by modern standards.
It was "their culture" which was condoned by god... so you're saying god condones killing people for stupid reasons and taking their virgins as wives. Again, that's exactly the same mindset used by ISIS to justify their atrocities.
originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
There you are doing whatever, with your family. Father, mother, maybe a younger brother. One day the city walls are overrun. All able bodied men are called to defend the city. Despite all their efforts, the enemy gets through. That's when the murder of the old, and the young starts. That's when the pillaging starts. All around you people are dead, or dying. Your father died during the initial defense of the city. Now, your mother is struck down in front of you, followed by your younger brother. You're a virgin, so you're considered a spoil of war. You're wretched from your home and carried off. The smell of death and fire is in the air. The wails and moans of those yet to be slain or taken captive fill your ears. Your eyes are full of tears. Your captor screams at you to stop screaming. You're taken away.
They give you some time to cool off. You'll get over it right? It's just your lot in life. How do you stay alive at this point? Do you keep screaming and crying? Do you fight back? Or do you accept your fate? Sure, you may have been arranged to marry someone else, now dead. So what's the big deal if your forced into a different marriage. Hey, they gave you time to mourn everything right? Now you're AOK. You are more than happy to please your father by mar- oh.. wait he's dead.. Your mother is going to be pro- oh wait.. she's dead.
What do you have left?
Memories of the destruction of all you knew as you're now on your back being implanted with the seed the soldier who took all of it away from you. Only to give birth and raise a child that is going to go off and destroy some other families life.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Answer
In that case, god's sense of morality is unacceptable by modern standards.
It was "their culture" which was condoned by god... so you're saying god condones killing people for stupid reasons and taking their virgins as wives. Again, that's exactly the same mindset used by ISIS to justify their atrocities.
So what, you think modern society is so much more civilized? Look at America, its being torn apart at the seams over this dellusion of social equality and democracy...to the point that criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens, and politicians are above the law. God established Israel to represent Him on earth, and it was His right to protect His assets from the nations that represented fallen angels. There is more to this conflict that meets the eye.
The difference between Israel and ISIS is that Israel had the Shekainah manifestation of God to lead them. ISIS follows political puppet wearing a turbin.
This goes back to that "some people take the story too literally" part of my OP.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Answer
This goes back to that "some people take the story too literally" part of my OP.
This is "picking and choosing". Jesus equated Himself with God on multiple occasions, even saying,"before Abraham, I AM".
Where do you draw the line of what was to be take literally and what was symbolic? What evidence can you provide that His words were doctored? You either accept the gospels as they were written, by the disciples He chose, or you dont, there is no middle ground.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: windword
No, I have shown you where to look. Its you who refuses to see.