originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
God never condoned or ordered murder or rape. There were laws against that. Slavery is reality, and the OT gave a well defined legal system to conduct
Actually, there are several bible verses that claim god wants his followers to murder and rape nonbelievers... You should read your beloved text a
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur,
and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and
children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.
After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole
community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military
commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's
advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.
Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for
yourselves." (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
""When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely
woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may
live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full
month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her,
you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be
purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you
and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or
listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the
people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the
land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy
"For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must
put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its
equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up
again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed." (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)
" The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the
covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.
Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a
day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death." (Exodus 31:12-15
" From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they
shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods
and tore forty two of the children to pieces." (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
" And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand
men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand
before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?" (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
"The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart,
with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas,
harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the
Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God." (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no
pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at
the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of
those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
"And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt
woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died." (Exodus
To be continued... There's too much rape and murder for one post.