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originally posted by: mSparks43
a reply to: FurvusRexCaeli
not even a little bit true.
because "inactivation" is a long way from 100% effective (even if you were injecting them with bleach you would still be injecting literally billions of live virus).
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
The facts are the shot is a dead virus, you can't get sick from a dead virus.
Please feel free to show me other wise.
Anecdotal is not fact.
But since you want to treat it as such, my personal experience with the shot completely refutes yours. Worked in a pharmacy, seen countless people receive the shots and be fine and back in the pharmacy with no flu.
Coupled with receiving the nasal, which is an actually live and never getting sick from it.
So if I am to take your stories as fact, why would you refuse to take mine as the same?
Would you respond bias view? Please explain how yours is not.
When you agree to something when you take a job, it is hard to turn around and then say you are getting forced to do it.
There is a need to ask the question, what was a live and what was a dead vaccine? In attenuating terms, such categorization between dead and living vaccines, however, remained vague and often indistinguishable. While undertaking these different methods of producing vaccines and experimenting with them, Malone identified an interesting phenomenon: the line between the live and the dead was not always clear. While Semple claimed that the virus in 8 percent suspension of brain was dead after incubation at 37°C for twenty-four hours in the presence of 1 percent carbolic acid, "but we have shown that it is not the case, for if sufficient number of rabbits be subdurally inoculated with 0.2 c.c. of such suspensions approximately 1 in every 125 will contract rabies and presumably a greater number would have been infected had we been able to inoculate larger quantities."116 So by this definition, even the Semple vaccine contained live viruses that could infect patients. Malone confirmed that the good results with 5 percent carbolized was due to higher nerve cell content, but even in this vaccine "the possibility of the presence of living virus in the 8 percent suspension from which the vaccines were prepared cannot be entirely excluded." Even earlier, in 1926, Cunningham found that the Kasauli fixed virus died if immersed in ether for thirty-six hours.117 But in 1927, when he studied the action of ether on Indian "street virus" (that collected from infected dog brains sent recently), the virus remained alive in central portion of the brain immersed up to seventy-two hours.118 Finally in 1928 he discovered that living virus could be found in infected brains after immersion in ether up to eighty-four hours, but not in cords exposed to ether for ninety-six hours.119
- I choose to not get a flu vaccine. From my experience, and that of the other members of my not-small household, we do not get the flu with no one here getting the vaccine. Literally, no one has caught the flu in the years since the vaccines stopped. Before, it was fairly common. You can make whatever decision you wish, and that's what we should all be allowed to do, job title notwithstanding. The issue isn't as straightforward as you want to believe.
The Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine has reported that giving young children flu shots appeared to have no impact on flu-related doctor visits or hospitalizations during two recent flu seasons. A large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews found that the flu vaccine was no more effective for children than a placebo. And research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine similarly reports that there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza and pneumonia, despite the fact that vaccination coverage among the elderly has increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent today.
originally posted by: Swing80s
F*** I am disheartened. I wrote an essay thanking you guys for your responses listing the multitude of EVERYTHING i've gone thru and the millions of shots and BS I"ve gone thru this week. Then I pressed cntrl A, then I press cntrl V on accident instead of C. There goes 2 hours worth of typing to try and inform you guys. I feel defeated. This sucks. I'll list the over a dozen shots I've recieved later along with everything else that must be completed on some BS site called certifiedprofile.com . I'm too pissed and defeated to tell you about by week after this. At least I know I don't have HIV which was an accidental test and is always a plus, they probably though I was a male prostitute after going through all this bull#.
originally posted by: whitewave
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Very well said! Pros and cons of vaccinations aside, I think the real issue is that of personal liberty to refuse an invasive procedure versus mandatory vaccination. If the government (or your employer) can mandate that you be forcibly penetrated with virus material (dead or alive) then you are essentially the property/slave of that government or employer. To argue that one can quit a job that insists on such a mandate places the individual under duress since that type of employment can not be obtained anywhere without complying with the mandate. More oppressive is the implied consent that you are not your own but merely a cog in a corporate wheel; an asset or a liability to their bottom line.
If the government truly cared about public health and was determined to remove personal liberties to achieve it, they could mandate that everyone wear an N-95 mask in public but that non-invasive solution interferes with facial recognition programs and doesn't generate income from vaccine sales.
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: BrianFlanders
Cause they would come back into the pharmacy and get their meds.
And I personally would always ask them cause I was skeptical about the shots back in the day as well.
On top of that,I got the nasal for 6 years, every year and never once got sick from it.