Greece puts a figure on Nazi reparations claims

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: NavyDoc

And then they just run up more debt and are back in the same position because a country cannot spend itself into prosperity. Ultimately Greece's fiscal problems are caused by the Greeks.

Not if they start over. Thats the beauty of bankruptcy, its a clean slate. People will start anew and build equity all by themselves if you let them.

That's my point. It's useless to wipe debt if they just continue with the same old spending habits that caused the problem in the first place. In very short order they will back in the exact same position as before.

Greece has demonstrated quite thoroughly that they are not going to "start anew and build equity," they are going to continue their same old socialist policies that caused the debt in the first place.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Greece has demonstrated quite thoroughly that they are not going to "start anew and build equity," they are going to continue their same old socialist policies that caused the debt in the first place.

Not if they don't have to support the Oligarchs in Brussels and pay for endless war in the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

They aren't conquerers nor slaves, they're Mediterranean. They want to entertain tourists and grow grapes, both very lucrative.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: NavyDoc

Greece has demonstrated quite thoroughly that they are not going to "start anew and build equity," they are going to continue their same old socialist policies that caused the debt in the first place.

Not if they don't have to support the Oligarchs in Brussels and pay for endless war in the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

They aren't conquerers nor slaves, they're Mediterranean. They want to entertain tourists and grow grapes, both very lucrative.

The Greek government spends much more than it takes in--largely on themselves. Unless they change their spending habits, they will be in debt again post haste. You can't do the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Infrastructure damage and theft....
Occupational damage and theft...
Ancient artefact damage and theft...
Loss of revenue in such time...

Taking inflation into consideration...

Probably owed more than that.



Everyone should sue Germany for such atrocities.

They sat back and put the Nazis into power and then tried to fully genocide Gypsies, Jews, Disabled people & many others for their Aryan Master Race...

Merkel looks pretty Aryan, seems they did well out of it all.


China should do it to Japan aswell...

& Europe to Italy for Mussolini's part in the war.
Russia too for Stalin's purge...



& the Vatican for it's historical crimes...

Then seize the billions in assets of ISIS...




Divide it up between the nations affected!

What the economy bloom!!!

What boom?

Every nation and group on earth would stuck in a permanent payback system loop.

All have claims. All are guilty.

How about Greece pay back Persia then for Alexander the great?

I mean if a people that had nothing to do with it can be forced to pay back assets for the sins of their fathers where do we draw the line?

Is there a line?

a reply to: dollukka

and somewhere behind that are the bankers that instigated the entire thing and just want more money, cause well, several trillion dollars is just not enough!

a reply to: dollukka

What happened to the once great nation of Greece? All they can do is stick out a hand and and beg for help. What happens when all that money is gone Greece?



Greece is a failed country....It is not the country failing the people, it is the people failing the country.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: dollukka

What happened to the once great nation of Greece? All they can do is stick out a hand and and beg for help. What happens when all that money is gone Greece?



Greece is a failed country....It is not the country failing the people, it is the people failing the country.

What an ignorant post.

At least educate yourself on the matter.

This sum was accepted by the Greece government as a down payment, not as an end deal.

Still, I have to think that over half a century, Greece had plenty of time to quantify this sooner. That's on them.

a reply to: paraphi

Greece needs to move on and stop trying to find excuses for their diabolical economic mismanagement. The mess that Greece got in to was entirely of their own making. Over-spending and living beyond their means. Reparations is a red herring.

No it is the making of bankers and finance thats why its world wide event.. Its the banks we should be suing..

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
So the children of those active in WW2 or their grandchildren have to pay up for the mistakes of their (grand)parents? I think it's ridiculous.

Didn't alexander the great conquer a good bit of the world? When we adjust for inflation .. damn I hope Greece can afford it.




Now that is a puzzle to me, just why did Alex march eastwards instead of west? he would have to have stopped when he reached the Atlantic, chain of supply not so long, but, with the king of Persia's huge treasury, chock full of gold and silver, that would have been a better bet to keep his army paid and supplied.

I wonder what the UK owes on historical reparation claims to those countries it has invaded and stole from in the past 300 years...probably not enough money in the world to cover the cost.

originally posted by: Hellas

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: dollukka

What happened to the once great nation of Greece? All they can do is stick out a hand and and beg for help. What happens when all that money is gone Greece?



Greece is a failed country....It is not the country failing the people, it is the people failing the country.

What an ignorant post.

At least educate yourself on the matter.

Let's see they needed to take loans just to survive right.....Also Greece is a socialist utopia right......Greece instead of making the hard choices decided to ask for money from a war fought 70 years ago right..........



Greece should get rid of progressive ideals and until they do they will fail. These ideals are what cause this entire welfare bailout circle of failure.

originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: Hellas

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: dollukka

What happened to the once great nation of Greece? All they can do is stick out a hand and and beg for help. What happens when all that money is gone Greece?



Greece is a failed country....It is not the country failing the people, it is the people failing the country.

What an ignorant post.

At least educate yourself on the matter.

Let's see they needed to take loans just to survive right.....Also Greece is a socialist utopia right......Greece instead of making the hard choices decided to ask for money from a war fought 70 years ago right..........



Greece should get rid of progressive ideals and until they do they will fail.

Ok, let me help you with that.

Go and find out the amount of money Greece got. And if you have that, go and find out what amount went to the banks and what to the people of Greece. You should have a rough idea by now.. And then you go and check how much money Germany has made from this crisis.

I'll be around if you should have any more questions about the great nation of Greece.

a reply to: dollukka

You're all missing the point here. This is about setting a precedent:

IF the German people are made responsible for a (war)debt caused and accumulated by another generation...
...then the Greek people will be held accountable for their respective debt towards ECB, IMF and EU... for generations to come. And they won't be able to deny their inherited debt.

EU-Centralism at its best.

a reply to: intrptr

Why are you banging on about "NATO"? You've mentioned it in pretty much every post as if it is some sort of occupying power holding the Greek people hostage.

It isn't and it is painfully obvious why you are doing this (see any Ukraine-Russia thread - Putin fanboy)

Greece is a NATO country by choice, they can leave any time they like and there isn't a single "NATO" base in Greece.

So do kindly shut up with the NATO crap

a reply to: Hellas

The great nation of Greece.....Ya maybe 2000 years ago. Today it is a progressive pipe dream. People want handouts instead of hand ups.


When you buy into the progressive lie this is what you sow. Greece until it sees this simple fact will continue to fail time after time.....bailout after bailout. You could give Greece 1000 more loans and guess what they will still fail. Socialism does not work and time will prove what I am saying correct like it or not.



I will spell out in simple terms why Greece is a failed country.......If you put the rights of the masses before individual rights failure will be the only path. Cold.....hard......truths.

Germany should have settled the issue with all countries involved soon after using US of A monetary enthusiasm.

2nd.



DO

a reply to: SubTruth

Actually, Greece's failures are not because of "socialism", but rather a total lack of any ability to run a country. Tax avoidance is rampant, nepotism is rife - it was even found that "jobs" were given to relatives/friends when they didn't even turn up, they were just getting paid for it - and corruption is endemic.

Had Greece actually run a proper ship, like we see in Northern Europe, then they wouldn't have been in this position. We see plenty of countries in Europe which you would probably describe as "socialist" who are doing just fine.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: SubTruth

Actually, Greece's failures are not because of "socialism", but rather a total lack of any ability to run a country. Tax avoidance is rampant, nepotism is rife - it was even found that "jobs" were given to relatives/friends when they didn't even turn up, they were just getting paid for it - and corruption is endemic.

Had Greece actually run a proper ship, like we see in Northern Europe, then they wouldn't have been in this position. We see plenty of countries in Europe which you would probably describe as "socialist" who are doing just fine.

All of the things you listed are symptoms of progressive ideals. Everything you said is accurate otherwise. Like I said in the post earlier when the rights of the masses outweigh individual rights it will fail.

a reply to: SubTruth

No, they are symptoms of a badly run economy/country.

As I said, there are examples of "socialist" countries in the North of Europe (see Scandinavia, or even Germany) which have none of these issues. It is a problem in Greek society, not with "socialism".