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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
- Yes, that's fair enough. But you have to admit that in the general discussion (certainly in terms of our mainstream media) the 2 are often confused or simply not made distinct in any way?
- Well I know that is the fear or impression some have but I really just don't believe there is much to be so concerned about.
I just don't see people up-rooting and going off in numbers anyone needs to worry about.
Most people love their home, it's where everything and everyone they know is.
(as anyone with even half a brain could have told anyone......but it all adds to stirring the pot and feeding the fears, right?).
- True but that is how our country came to be now. We are a nation of immigrants and have regularly had waves of immigration since year dot.
Originally posted by UK Wizard
They are indeed, all the time.
The problem is, if we have a free movement approach and discover it is a worse case senario, then the damage will be done quickly and on a large scale.
Problem is if their family moves to say France, and other members of their family follow and it continues there will finally be no reason to return to their original homeland as their family will be with them.
Many of the fears are real, but the mass european immigration was indeed blown out of proportion.
We are indeed a island of immigrants, but we need to watch our living space.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
- Hooray! Something we agree on.
- OK but how many does that happen with?
Funnily enough a member of my family moved to France. It was a fabulous place, I really enjoyed visiting them and would have thought about such a move.... but I never did.
- As I said before Wizard, there is loads of room in the UK.
Just so long as everyone stops trying to live in the SE corner of England.
As I said before Wizard, there is loads of room in the UK.
Originally posted by Chris McGee
we'll need somewhere to house them
Build a few million houses on our unspoilt countryside for the immigrants to live in?
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
Large parts of some northern towns are being demolished because no-one wants to live in the housing there (Newcastle is notorious for this at the moment).
The idea that the countryside would be concreted over is a myth.
Originally posted by UK Wizard
Thats not my fault, immigrants just don't want to live up north, the wages are higher down south.
A quote from the BBC web site:
The government wants to build 478,000 homes in the East of England over the next 20 years
and another:
A report by consultants Levett-Therivel, published in October, said the new houses would cause a water crisis, threaten landscapes and destroy wildlife.
Originally posted by UK Wizard
So your quite happy for Britains population to increase to such a level where it becomes crippling to infrastructure, where living standards drop due to reduction in living space, where we are convined to high rise apartment blocks.
A future where Britains enviroment is crippled by pollution and chemicals....
are you happy with a britain that has thrown common sense to the wind.....are you ?
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
So far the optimists have it, wouldn't you say?
www.optimumpopulation.org...
Malthusian predictions aside, I do not foresee the world you seem to. Sorry.
Originally posted by UK Wizard
They are in positions of power...
From the same link:
now growing by another 6.1 million to 65.7 million by 2031.
and
At an annual growth rate of 0.4% a year (the actual growth rate from mid-2001 to mid-2003) our population would pass 200 million in 2308.
I guess we see the world from a different point of view.