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Oops that's an interesting bit of twist to the cern scenario
originally posted by: sy.gunson
The real purpose behind CERN is the harvesting of anti-protons for development of fourth generation nuclear weapons at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory at Los Alamos. Anti-protons are slowed down at CERN on a smaller ring until they can be cryogenically stored in magnetic confinement bottles for transport to the United States.
European taxpayers are footing the bill for this nuclear weapons project under the guise of peaceful research. The real project is a covert joint venture by Rand Corporation and the USAF.
Andre Gsponer's Report
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Arbitrageur
Well, that's what a photon torpedo is -- a matter/antimatter reaction.
According to the TNG Technical Manual, photon torpedoes use 1.5 kg of matter and 1.5 kg of antimatter
originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: sy.gunson
This may look as a quite unusual situation: why would the world’s richest
and most powerful country not have a large dedicated antiproton source? Part of
the answer to this is already contained in a twenty-years old report of the RAND
corporation which basically concluded that as long as US scientists would have
full access to antimatter produced at CERN “a production/accumulation facility,
such as the one at CERN, although desirable, wouldn’t in the near future have to
be built in the United States” [33, p. 43]. In this spirit, one could also add that
it could certainly be in the interest of the United States to let Europe have a few
unique advanced and costly facilities in order to motivate its researchers, and to
attract those from Eastern Europe and Russia.
However, the main reason is more probably that the production of antiprotons
is not the most difficult technological problem in the way of practical applications
of antimatter. In fact, the 1014 antiprotons per year to be produced in 2010 at the
AD facility at CERN, or at FAIR at GSI, correspond already to about 1 nanogram
per year. If presently available technology would be used to build a fully dedicated
“antimatter factory,” rather than a general purpose “research facility,” one could
easily produce more that 1 microgram of antimatter per year right now . As
1 microgram is sufficient to trigger one thermonuclear weapon, such a facility will
only be a factor 365 away from the implicit goal that the US and Soviet governments
set forth in the 1940s, namely to produce enough material for making one atomic
bomb every day!
As a matter of fact, the United States and other countries are still investigating
the best technique for producing very large quantities of antimatter. One such
technique is based on the idea of creating a “quark-gluon plasma,” which is studied
in laboratories such as CERN, RHIC at BNL (the Brookhaven National Laboratory
near New York), and FAIR at GSI. Creating such a plasma is essentially trying to
reproduce in the laboratory what happened at the beginning of the universe, a tiny
fraction of a second after the big bang. At that moment there were equal amounts
of matter and antimatter in the universe, all matter and energy being in a so-called
“primordial plasma” state. If the cooling-down process of the primordial plasma
into either matter or antimatter could be controlled, one would possibly have the
most efficient method for producing antimatter on a large scale! There is therefore
no surprise that weapons-laboratory scientists are in fact much interested by this
supposedly purely “astrophysical” state of matter , especially since the idea
itself originated from Edward Teller and collaborators in 1973 already  (see
I have actually wondered why the US didn't have a collider of their own, and also why spend so much time and resources on their seemingly innocent goals? "and today were gonna show you how to make a black hole!".. like it's some sort of show and tell.
No doubt subatomic sciences will change everything.
originally posted by: yorkshirelad
a reply to: sy.gunson
Given that the people who work at CERN are above average for intelligence and education the ONLY way that this can occur is if the thousands of people there are all part of this secret activity. ...
Thousands of conspirators across several countries and within each country several research teams, universities etc. And not one blowing the cover.
it could be because we have the NIF for that. remember they were running simulations to prove our bombs would works as advertised? why would we offshore something like that when we have our own facilities and own researchers for that very purpose already?
originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: ziplock9000
Why? Not trying to argue with you, but that's a strong statement to make without any explanation of your viewpoint.
the sample traps they were planning on developing would only hold a perhaps 10 thousand anti protons if they fully met their ambitions as laid out in articles on this work from a couple a years ago. But and this is important: there are antimatter propulsion schemes that require as little as a nanogram of antimatter to perform a long distance mission. that said- these traps are a few orders of magnitude off even that miniscule amount.
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: pfishy
I doubt they've ubtained sufficient amounts to experiment with.
IT would be a FUN plane to pilot with a containment vessel of THAT stuff on board wouldn't it?
No pressure there.