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Large Hadron Collider peaceful research cover for advanced nuclear weapons research

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posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: sy.gunson
The real purpose behind CERN is the harvesting of anti-protons for development of fourth generation nuclear weapons at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory at Los Alamos. Anti-protons are slowed down at CERN on a smaller ring until they can be cryogenically stored in magnetic confinement bottles for transport to the United States.

European taxpayers are footing the bill for this nuclear weapons project under the guise of peaceful research. The real project is a covert joint venture by Rand Corporation and the USAF.

Andre Gsponer's Report
Oops that's an interesting bit of twist to the cern scenario




posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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Hi, there. Just registered to post this, I saw you guys talking about the V2 rocket. I just recently found this out, but it is actually a relative of mine that died in 1990, G. W. Trichel, who headed up the Rocket Development Division of the U.S Army during 1938-45. He worked over Wernher Von Braun and the whole nazi crew that was smuggled during operation paperclip. They developed the V2 rocket that would eventually take us too the moon. Idk if it helps at all, just found it interesting.



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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Perhaps the use for such materials may be asteroid destruction?
Asside from just another offensive system that is.
Or fuel for space travel ,which I DO believe we would ALL prefer



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

Well, that's what a photon torpedo is -- a matter/antimatter reaction.



According to the TNG Technical Manual, photon torpedoes use 1.5 kg of matter and 1.5 kg of antimatter

Wikipedia



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Well, that's what a photon torpedo is -- a matter/antimatter reaction.



According to the TNG Technical Manual, photon torpedoes use 1.5 kg of matter and 1.5 kg of antimatter

Wikipedia

Indeed. And if you really want to get deep into the Trek Universe, Star Trek Online (which is cannon, for the most part) gives a fair advantage to Antiproton weapons.
Unfortunately, only a few Trek predictions have come to life, and certainly none as weaponized as the torpedo or antiproton beam. Thankfully.
And to add to an earlier post I made, Sy did state that it was not the LHC specifically which is theoretically being utilized for the antiproton production. Whereas I had said the LHC is a terrible design for trying to make any viable quantity of them. But, then I read further down the post, and I stand corrected.



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

Are there as of yet any actually viable technologies able to utilize matter-antimatter reactions for propulsion? Other than as concussive/propulsive force? I've seen a couple of vague theories, but never anything showing any solid follow-up.



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: Blackhawk0044

Wow. That's a very cool tie to history. Had you ever met him? Or even better, heard any stories from him?



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: sy.gunson




This may look as a quite unusual situation: why would the world’s richest
and most powerful country not have a large dedicated antiproton source? Part of
the answer to this is already contained in a twenty-years old report of the RAND
corporation which basically concluded that as long as US scientists would have
full access to antimatter produced at CERN “a production/accumulation facility,
such as the one at CERN, although desirable, wouldn’t in the near future have to
be built in the United States” [33, p. 43]. In this spirit, one could also add that
it could certainly be in the interest of the United States to let Europe have a few
unique advanced and costly facilities in order to motivate its researchers, and to
attract those from Eastern Europe and Russia.

However, the main reason is more probably that the production of antiprotons
is not the most difficult technological problem in the way of practical applications
of antimatter. In fact, the 1014 antiprotons per year to be produced in 2010 at the
AD facility at CERN, or at FAIR at GSI, correspond already to about 1 nanogram
per year. If presently available technology would be used to build a fully dedicated
“antimatter factory,” rather than a general purpose “research facility,” one could
easily produce more that 1 microgram of antimatter per year right now [27]. As
1 microgram is sufficient to trigger one thermonuclear weapon, such a facility will
only be a factor 365 away from the implicit goal that the US and Soviet governments
set forth in the 1940s, namely to produce enough material for making one atomic
bomb every day!
As a matter of fact, the United States and other countries are still investigating
the best technique for producing very large quantities of antimatter. One such
technique is based on the idea of creating a “quark-gluon plasma,” which is studied
in laboratories such as CERN, RHIC at BNL (the Brookhaven National Laboratory
near New York), and FAIR at GSI. Creating such a plasma is essentially trying to
reproduce in the laboratory what happened at the beginning of the universe, a tiny
fraction of a second after the big bang. At that moment there were equal amounts
of matter and antimatter in the universe, all matter and energy being in a so-called
“primordial plasma” state. If the cooling-down process of the primordial plasma
into either matter or antimatter could be controlled, one would possibly have the
most efficient method for producing antimatter on a large scale! There is therefore
no surprise that weapons-laboratory scientists are in fact much interested by this
supposedly purely “astrophysical” state of matter [35], especially since the idea
itself originated from Edward Teller and collaborators in 1973 already [36] (see
also [37]).



I have actually wondered why the US didn't have a collider of their own, and also why spend so much time and resources on their seemingly innocent goals? "and today were gonna show you how to make a black hole!".. like it's some sort of show and tell.

No doubt subatomic sciences will change everything.



The USA did have a progam to build a super-collider. But with these grand science projects which span decades and not years, there is always the danger that one president will cancel the research programs approved by his predecessor due to electorate presure:

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: pfishy

Well, yeah..you take the raw energy created in a contained mater/anti-mater reaction, channel that through a crystal and then create a warp field around a ship.


I don't see any of that happening anytime soon though.



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: pfishy

I doubt they've ubtained sufficient amounts to experiment with.
IT would be a FUN plane to pilot with a containment vessel of THAT stuff on board wouldn't it?
No pressure there.
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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad
a reply to: sy.gunson
Given that the people who work at CERN are above average for intelligence and education the ONLY way that this can occur is if the thousands of people there are all part of this secret activity. ...

Thousands of conspirators across several countries and within each country several research teams, universities etc. And not one blowing the cover.


Actually scientists who blow the whistle of military funded projects suddenly find their funding cut and are shown the door at research institutes. Science is really just a gravy boat. All these really smart people are smart enough to figure out if you want to keep your job you say nothing.

Being really smart does not equate being really ethical.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Touché



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: ziplock9000

Why? Not trying to argue with you, but that's a strong statement to make without any explanation of your viewpoint.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:29 PM
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originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: ziplock9000

Why? Not trying to argue with you, but that's a strong statement to make without any explanation of your viewpoint.
it could be because we have the NIF for that. remember they were running simulations to prove our bombs would works as advertised? why would we offshore something like that when we have our own facilities and own researchers for that very purpose already?

And antimatter is not necessary for atomic bombs; either fusion or fission. we have the weapons mainly as a deterrent anyway. we don't really need them anymore as a destructive device. Our conventional bombs work fine especially since we can fly them up a gnat's ass on the other side of the world. There is a reason why we don't have the mega-bombs anymore and a reason why Russia doesn't do mega-bombs anymore. we are accurate enough that a smaller yield will do the job. and actually for us; we can do most jobs with conventional warheads.

and there are chemical explosives that actually rival nukes for explosive force; e.g; nano explosive bucky-ball HE. And we have even worse things than that that we could probably do like metastable molecules or metallic hydrogen.


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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:37 PM
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and it is a fact that they do trap anti-proton samples. but it is not related to nuke work. they are doing other stuff with it. did you know we haven't even verified that antimatter reacts with gravity in the expected manner? They know it should act like normal matter but they have never observed it happening because we just don't have enough to actually measure such things. also they are probably keen on seeing if they can make safe hybrid atoms or develop other techniques to store an handle it safer. because we will need antimatter for space propulsion sooner or later.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701

I understand the various arguments against Mr. Gunson's theory. I actually have posted upthread why is seems improbable. My point was that saying something like that without giving any explanation as to why you think so is better left to lesser sites than ATS. Most users here value discussion and debate over insults, whether to the topic or themselves.
And since you mentioned it, would you mind directing us to a link or two about the metallic hydrogen or metastable molecule weapons you mentioned?



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: pfishy

I doubt they've ubtained sufficient amounts to experiment with.
IT would be a FUN plane to pilot with a containment vessel of THAT stuff on board wouldn't it?
No pressure there.
the sample traps they were planning on developing would only hold a perhaps 10 thousand anti protons if they fully met their ambitions as laid out in articles on this work from a couple a years ago. But and this is important: there are antimatter propulsion schemes that require as little as a nanogram of antimatter to perform a long distance mission. that said- these traps are a few orders of magnitude off even that miniscule amount.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701

And yes, they can't verify its interaction with gravity because they very few times they produced a large enough quantity to try and measure it, they've had to keep it suspended in a magnetic field to prevent it from touching anything else and destructing.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:53 PM
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en.wikipedia.org...Just off the cuff, with no research…..i agree that there is definitely something else going on than what it appears, as usual.

But, I am thinking "time anomalies." Perhaps I'll try to find the links that support it, if I can, but for anyone who has already read on this site extensively (links have a tendency to disappear, given enough of the right attention), thinking cauldron story here…..nuclear bombastics in the atmosphere may have a tendency to lead to "time warp."

Hmmmm. Simply worthy of some out of the box consideration. What would be gained, from collection of antiprotons, amongst other, antigravity or neutrino "like" devices…..? What could one do with collection of enough said ….."anti-matter?"
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