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originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: BuzzyWigs
Lol! Never heard that definition of redneck before, but okay! It's odd though. I think 'redneck' as more of a mindset, political thing. I guess we get these little mindsets on what is what at some point. I try not to say 'white trash' at all. : )
Anyway! I didn't mean to derail the thread with that. The conversation has a good flow, I think.
I have some things I want to add; but it will have to wait until later this evening.
originally posted by: pfishy
a reply to: Deaf Alien
Because we pay for the food stamps.
originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Xtrozero
Why restrict booze and cigs then too?
They are not considered food. How will booze help them on their feet and work? Can you eat cigarettes?
Rick Brattin a Republican lawmaker in Missouri...does not want people who get food stamps to be able to eat, steak, lobster, cookies, sodas. He says and I quote "that people are abusing the system by purchasing luxury foods, and believes that that must be stopped, even if it ends up requiring the inclusion of other less luxurious items."
originally posted by: Aazadan
Could it possibly be because they have no commercial capability?
Look at the reservations, many of them still don't have electricity or clean water. They don't have commercially viable land, and in many they die of diseases that are considered wiped out in the rest of North America.
Just about every commercial success from the Native Americans (most of it casinos) required special dispensations so that they could operate their business off of tribal lands.
African Americans are similar. How much time have you spent in inner city slums? That's where most of their population lives. It's not as simple as just moving away. The culture of the area infests a person and holds them down and it has nothing to do with a subsidy.
People aren't content with poverty lifestyles but there is simply nowhere to move up.
I look at my own life, I'm relatively well educated (though I still have a bit more schooling to go) and have quite a low income. I will die broke, likely on the street, and probably die young. I'm 30 now, I do not expect to make it to 40, if cuts to disability and food stamps don't get me it will be the extremely high murder and home invasion rate in my town. It's not because I don't want to do better, I've worked on that part... I hold 3 college degrees and going for another, my GPA is high, and I was even valedictorian for one of them. I'm competent on a list of development software longer than my arm, and can develop virtually anything. None of that is worth a damn. Want to know why? Employers don't hire poor people. Part of the employment process in any serious job involves a credit check, and when you're poor you're going to fail that credit check. Hence there is nowhere to move up to. Only low paying retail jobs that will be done by robots (that oddly enough, I could program) in 10 years.
Luck most certainly played a part, but it wasn't the only part.
Anyone on top had to work for it, the luck was in obtaining the opportunity to perform that work in the first place.
Maybe one of your bosses took a liking to you, or you scored the right freelance job, or an investment paid off. There's lots of things that could happen but ultimately they involved others cutting you a break, and then you working and sometimes working very, very hard.
Having talent, ability, and drive is a prerequisite for success, but those things on their own won't get you anywhere. Actually being successful takes the work of others like your bosses and more importantly your customers.
I don't know about that. I see many who try and do better. I also see many who don't for a myriad of reasons. Some people like low skill work, others don't want to take the financial risk of school, others aren't school types, others don't know what they would do.
Low skill jobs are vital. I'm not saying you have to pay them ridiculous wages, but rather I challenge the idea that it should lead to a lifetime of suffering.