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UK General Election - My own dilemma...

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I did some digging on this in all honesty expecting the rise claim to be inaccurate (I know nothing about cars but am sure merdez are german-made) - to my surprise it turns out you're 100% correct about the boom. Was not expectingit to have overtaken exports to the EU www.ons.gov.uk...

Thanks for the info, this will force me to re-evaluate my EU stance (hate bureaucracy, but thought we were reliant on it for trade)


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Really confused as to why Labour are getting Blair on the campaign trail seeing as most people see him as a war criminal, could be to try and deflect Tory attacked from Milliband onto Blair but if so it's an insanely stupid strategy.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Yea it's great for now, until they decide to move manufacturing somewhere else and we can't do anything about it.

We need to stop selling our industries off if there's anything actually left nowadays.

It's a sad state of affairs not something to be proud of. How do France, Germany, et al all manage to keep their industries yet we had to sell everything.

The only thing the UK has any clout in today, is the finance sector, and we all know that only benefits a select few individuals.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: ufoorbhunter



It's a sad state of affairs not something to be proud of. How do France, Germany, et al all manage to keep their industries yet we had to sell everything.



Jag Landrover etc make nearly all their vehicles here in the UK. They are also finacially successful. Compare this to the continentals you like to compare with French and Germans. They don't make all their vehicles at home, they make many of them in foreign countries. All over the EU plus in other continents too. Next time you get that rust issue with your mythically built Merc, check out where your RHD model was made, bets are RSA and where's the advantage to that for German workers? At least the Huns can make a profit, most French car makers are bust in reality, PSA (Peugeot/Citroen) lose 200,000,000 a month
Yes yo read it right Two Hundred Million Euros a month propped up by the French tac payer! Then you have Renault........................ State owned (because it was a basket case) and like so many things French a drain on the French taxpayer.

So what's wrong with Jag and Landy being British success stories employing tens of thousands of British workers and supporting hndreds of thousands in our engineerisng supply chain making highly profitable product wanted by many and exporting to the Chinese and Indians by the £££££££££BILLIONS? It's a British success



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Well there's no doubt that JLR are a success and good cars, maybe I'm just being sour because I could never afford one.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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Something else these days , what a line up. Know what you mean on the buying one. I'm in the market for one - a 1998ish XJR with the Ford supercharged 4ltr for about a thousand pounds


a reply to: DAZ21



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:52 PM
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originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I did some digging on this in all honesty expecting the rise claim to be inaccurate (I know nothing about cars but am sure merdez are german-made) - to my surprise it turns out you're 100% correct about the boom. Was not expectingit to have overtaken exports to the EU www.ons.gov.uk...

Thanks for the info, this will force me to re-evaluate my EU stance (hate bureaucracy, but thought we were reliant on it for trade)



Exactly.........We are exporting loads to the Asians, it's the biggest market the world has ever seen and every year it grows by the tens of millions


You need to see the entrance to one of our local factories that has a TV shopping channel in Asia. Oh my Lord the marketing has got is right at Portmeirion, bus load after bus load of Asians they can't carry the quantities back on those buses lol, it's funny to watch, like selling coal to Newcastle



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol




UKIP relies on the immigrant scapegoat to gain votes and chooses to remain quiet on the corruption in the city and the billions of tax payers money being used to bailout bankers who rob people in broad daily light and lend out money that doesn't exists.
But don't worry, lets blame the immigrants, it's all their fault. They're the cause of all this chaos and corruption.





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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: Boeing777

UKIP don't blame immigrants themselves, just the current rate of immigration. They just want a point system to let in those we actually need as opposed to every man and his dog.

I'm sorry, bankers are bad, but can we blame them for public services being strained? not really, the fact is there are too many people.

A net of 300,000 extra people a year, that's like a city's worth of people every year. Are we building a new city every year? no.

I'm sorry, but immigration at its current rate is as much to blame for societies problems as bankers.
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posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 02:02 AM
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Immigrants come over here and laze about on benefits whilst simultaneously stealing our jobs.



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Here we go,didn't think it'd be long before you turned up.


I wouldn't expect you to understand, Scotland has as many immigrants as the population of the shetlands.



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Here we go,didn't think it'd be long before you turned up.


I wouldn't expect you to understand, Scotland has as many immigrants as the population of the shetlands.

Yeah and i welcome each and every one of them here with open arms and will continue to treat them as human beings just trying to make there way in this world like everybody else.



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 06:07 AM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Ok can you take the millions that reside in England and become a minority in your own country, because it sounds like we've come to some workable arrangement, it's win win.

But when your family have to wait in A and E for over four hours or you can't get an appointment with your GP, you're children are at your 5th choice school because the others are too full, and the education is dumbed down to accommodate for children that have English as a second language, you have to leave your house 2 hours earlier for work because the roads are so congested, you walk down your high street and nobody talks to anyone anymore and when you do they say, ' I don't understand' in a multitude of accents, you or your kids can't buy a house, and well we could go on and on....

It's easy to say let them in, let them all in, when you're not affected.

The thing is,when in your eyes will it be too much? When it starts to affect your life detrimentally?
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posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: [post=19216733]Soloprotocol[/posts it time we Started WW3.

The Way is see it, This Planet is waaay over populated and the resources are running out, Fast. we will be extinct before we will ever get to the stage of planetary exploration if we keep going the way we are going.
So is it the right time to start preparing for the inevitable....

I say we dig in. We build underground bunkers that can house a few thousand people in each bunker.
self sustainable for a decade or more and go for a full blown nuclear holocaust....Small scale wars would never be enough to get the population down to a manageable level, so we prepare now, we start to think more about the future of the Human race and this rock we live on and where we are going and where we will be in a million years.

Sorry for the doom and gloom, but i really believe we have to have a serious look at our main problems...ie...over population and consumption of resources....

sacrifices have to be made.......are you prepared to make them...???




Well, well, well, what do we have here then, an old thread of yours calling for the innocent slaughter of individuals because of over population...

So really your just trolling, because you're anti-English. Well I think that exposes your true agenda doesn't it.



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 07:06 AM
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originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: Boeing777

I'm sorry, bankers are bad, but can we blame them for public services being strained? not really, the fact is there are too many people.


Actually they're entirely to blame. The financial crisis they created cost us £500Bn, then an additional £65 -£100Bn ish in them allowing offshore tax havens. That's money they robbed from us, from our public services and was ruthlessly exploited by the Tories to make austerity (cutting funding in public services like schools, the nhs etc..) seem like the only option.

Immigrants on the other hand create a net profit of roughly £20Bn per annum.

While there clearly need to be controls in place to stop services being completely overwhelmed, the idea they're a financial drain on the country is a complete fabrication. Evn if there was a 100% ban on immigration all the waiting times and school places being harder to find would still skyrocket as Cameron thinks austerity should be the norm instead of a desperate measure.
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posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 07:15 AM
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I never stated that they were a financial drain, I said that they are causing strain to our infrastructure and public services.

You have to remember that the quality of life isn't always dependant on money alone. People might be happier if strains on our services weren't stretched to the limit with uncontrollable mass immigration.



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: Boeing777

I'm sorry, bankers are bad, but can we blame them for public services being strained? not really, the fact is there are too many people.


Actually they're entirely to blame. The financial crisis they created cost us £500Bn, then an additional £65 -£100Bn ish in them allowing offshore tax havens. That's money they robbed from us, from our public services and was ruthlessly exploited by the Tories to make austerity (cutting funding in public services like schools, the nhs etc..) seem like the only option.

Immigrants on the other hand create a net profit of roughly £20Bn per annum.

While there clearly need to be controls in place to stop services being completely overwhelmed, the idea they're a financial drain on the country is a complete fabrication. Evn if there was a 100% ban on immigration all the waiting times and school places being harder to find would still skyrocket as Cameron thinks austerity should be the norm instead of a desperate measure.


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posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 07:27 AM
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originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: Boeing777

I'm sorry, bankers are bad, but can we blame them for public services being strained? not really, the fact is there are too many people.


Actually they're entirely to blame. The financial crisis they created cost us £500Bn, then an additional £65 -£100Bn ish in them allowing offshore tax havens. That's money they robbed from us, from our public services and was ruthlessly exploited by the Tories to make austerity (cutting funding in public services like schools, the nhs etc..) seem like the only option.

Immigrants on the other hand create a net profit of roughly £20Bn per annum.

While there clearly need to be controls in place to stop services being completely overwhelmed, the idea they're a financial drain on the country is a complete fabrication. Evn if there was a 100% ban on immigration all the waiting times and school places being harder to find would still skyrocket as Cameron thinks austerity should be the norm instead of a desperate measure.


The banking mess happened under the watch of a Labour government, yet you seem to think that the Conservatives are at fault (along with Lib-Dems of course as this was a coalition), how do you work that out? Labour would have borrowed more money and dug the hole deeper - is that what you think is sustainable?

Where has Cameron said that austerity should be the norm, or is that just your opinion?



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: uncommitted

As if UKIP are going to sort these bankers out hence why they haven't even mentioned them yet.



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 07:56 AM
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UKIP can't mention the banks given that's how Farage made his millions.


originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: bastion

I never stated that they were a financial drain, I said that they are causing strain to our infrastructure and public services.

You have to remember that the quality of life isn't always dependant on money alone. People might be happier if strains on our services weren't stretched to the limit with uncontrollable mass immigration.


Agreed with all that but for example I live in Preston, Lancashire. Schools and hospitals have closed down here over the last 10 years without any new ones being built, thew average house building rate is one or two houses per year due torepeated funding cuts since the Thatcher/Major years. Here we would still be completely stretched to the limit even if no immigration had taken place for the last 20 years.


originally posted by: uncommitted
The banking mess happened under the watch of a Labour government, yet you seem to think that the Conservatives are at fault (along with Lib-Dems of course as this was a coalition), how do you work that out? Labour would have borrowed more money and dug the hole deeper - is that what you think is sustainable?

Where has Cameron said that austerity should be the norm, or is that just your opinion?


Because the de-regulation occurred under Thatcher, was rolled out by Major, once petro-dollars took off there was nothing political parties could do to control the banks as it became a decentralised, non-sterling system where money was stored in computer code instead of banks. Labour are just Tories in red ties and the lib dems have done nothing this parliament as they were stupid enough to sign an agreement with the tories that meant they were not allowed to vote against tory bills, it's been a conservative government in all but name these last few years.

The borrowing myth is simply that. A myth. Have a look at the last 400 years of the UK economy and you'll see that despite all the bluster and calls for cuts in spending and claims 'labour spent all the money' we're far better off than we have been in history. We have always run on a deficit as a country, the entire NHS and welfare state was set up after WW2 when we had several times the debt levels, yet it achieved the biggest increase in living standards the country has ever known and provided 100% employment. Investing in core infrastructure makes money in the long run. You can't build an economy if you don't have free healthcare and education for the population as it's redistribution of wealth from rich to poor.

Cameron announced permanent austerity on 0th November 2013 sickenengly at the Lord Mayors Banquet which was several million pound meal in a multi-million pound mansion covered in gold and all paid for by the taxpayer.

'David Cameron insists that squeeze on public-sector spending is permanent '



www.independent.co.uk...



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 09:40 AM
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Another couple of fine, upstanding gentlemen in the UKIP Ranks....

UKIP Candidate for Coatbridge

and the Porn star



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