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Do most American Conservatives actually hate America? I'm convinced they do.

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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
I'm seriously curious to see how conservatives respond to this, because I'm convinced that most conservatives actually hate America.


I'm probably not what you'd consider a conservative (I'm more conservative than conservatives) but I'll bite.



1. How do you love America when you openly hate its other citizens?

Many conservatives openly hate African Americans, Hispanic Americans, lesbian/gay/bisexual/transsexual Americans, Muslim Americans, liberal & progressive Americans, American immigrants, American pacifists (anti-war activists), and atheist Americans.


I don't hate any of these people. It'd be a little weird, though, because I'm a descendant of immigrants and I'm not in favor of unending war.



Conservatives also seem to hate American workers who organize to get better workplace benefits (unions); Americans who love nature (environmentalists & “treehuggers”); Americans who receive government benefits; and American women who try to push for equal rights for all American women (women's rights activists). In other words, it seems that most conservatives hate all Americans who aren't conservatives.


I don't have any of these people either. I think a some of them are annoying and a lot of them are misguided. But then again, I also love nature, I also receive government benefits (everyone who lives in America receives government benefits, such as defense against foreign invasion) so it would be rather odd for me to hate those people.



2. How do you love America when you openly hate its government?

The conservative motto is “government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem”. So conservatives openly root for the US government to shutdown.


I don't like governments in general. I think it's a necessary institution that tends to overstep its proper limits.



Conservatives also routinely try to defund government agencies, and campaign on promises to get rid of government agencies. Of course, conservatives also don't seem to care about the Americans who are affected by those shutdowns, especially the American workers & their families who are affected by the furloughs.


And "liberals" don't seem to care about the American workers and their families who are adversely affected by the existence of the government agencies. So?



So how can you love America when you want to get rid of our government & system of laws?


I don't want to do that, that would be silly. I don't dislike the system of government and system of laws we have, I dislike specific parts of the system and specific laws. Doesn't everyone?



3. How do you love America when you work to destroy its land?

I'm an environmentalist. I want limits on how much corporations can pollute America's waters, air, and land. Conservatives fight against this, appearing to want corporations to be able to pollute our waters, air, and land as much as they want. How is this love for our lands?


I love America's land. I think government environmental regulations are overbearing and stupid, and I've been hurt by them in the past. But it would be weird for me to hate America's land. I grew up on a farm. I'm not for pollution, just against stupidity.



One of my side hobbies when traveling is to visit any national parks & other natural landmarks I can. I absolutely love America's landscape & parks & want them preserved so future generations can enjoy them too. Conservatives, on the other hand, constantly push to allow drilling & mining in these national parks. Do conservatives not know that drilling & strip-mining will completely destroy those American ecosystems? Or do they simply not care?


I happen to have an oil rig literally across the street from my home. It has not completely destroyed any ecosystem. Can't speak for strip mining. I can say, though, that visiting natural parks and natural landmarks is not a good way to experience nature. They're not "natural," they're artificial havens. If you want to enjoy nature, move into a rural area and get yourself a ten-acre pasture, some animals, and a hunting permit.




4. How do you love America when you openly support 2 of America's biggest historical enemies & threaten to leave America when you don't get your way?

There are many neo-Nazi groups and other white supremacist groups in America, like the Aryan Nation. Some of these groups openly display Nazi symbols and paraphernalia, and most openly hate the Americans I mentioned in #1 (along with American Jews and American communists & socialists). The website Stormfront is a good place to see what I'm talking about. So why don't conservatives speak out against or fight against these groups? I don't think it's a coincidence that members of these groups are right wing & tend to vote Republican or Libertarian.


And clearly liberals are guilty of the same thing since they don't go around all the time talking about the horrors of the Muslim Brotherhood. Or maybe most conservatives simply have better things to do than diss neoNazis (who deserve to be dissed, IMHO.) Not spending every minute of your time condemning a fringe hate group doesn't mean you like them.



Many conservatives even proudly wave the Confederate flag. The Confederate States of America was a hostile nation that waged war with the United States of America in a war that left 600,000 Americans dead.


Ya know, the states that were part of the CSA were also part of the USA. So maybe some people just like their state a tad more than they like the Union, and are interested in their heritage. But I think your facts are a tad incorrect: the conservatives that go around waving the Confederate flag are a minority.



Yet conservatives openly display the Confederate flag as a rallying symbol.


Really? Maybe some people in the deep South. I'm from Texas, and I've been to the GOP convention, and I don't remember seeing the Confederate flag being waved as a rally symbol.



Conservatives also regularly threaten to secede from America when things don't go their way. How is that supposed to be patriotism or loyalty to America?


Everyone threatens to secede when things don't go their way. It's an American tradition.




posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I'm a conservative American and I don't hate nearly as much as you do.

I agree with most of the points you made. But a blanket hate filled statement like yours shows who the haters truly are.
I didn't see any hate in the ops opening statement. He hates the KKK?sounds fair to me. Or is that intolerant
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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

Wow really good point. (sarcasm)

Except that he posed the question in his title I merely answered it.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 11:13 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
I didn't see any hate in the ops opening statement. He hates the KKK?sounds fair to me. Or is that intolerant


No?... The op claimed that most conservatives support the KKK and other white supremacist groups.... Among his other claims which sorry to say are simply wrong...

The op went so far as ignoring the fact that there are many conservatives who belong in those groups he claims most conservatives hate...

Most conservatives do not do those things the op claims.

There are liberals who hate minorities, who are racists, and do all those things the op claims "most conservatives do"... So, because there are liberals that do hate minorities, who are racists, who support global depopulation and population controls, etc, then it must mean the majority of liberals are like that too?...



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Let me explain (hopefully I'm not the first).

The most important point: We love america's founding principles and Freedom.

#1: The citizens we "hate" want to remove those principles. They are enemies of america. You perceive we hate people based on race but that's completely false. We want all races to be treated equally under the law. No affirmative action or like policies. The anti-union mentality also stems from these principles. Businesses are the property of the owners, you don't have a right to tell them how to run their business. Unions are not necessary, do you know where the 5-day, 40 hour work week came from? Henry ford. Not government. Not unions. Just a business wanting to optimize efficiency. The current purpose of Unions seems to be to drive businesses out of business (see hostess and the auto industry, for examples.)

#2: A constitutional government is not the problem, the problem is the behemoth we have now is very unconstitutional and performs many unconstitutional act. Our cheering at a shutdown is cheering at the idea that life goes on without the behemoth. We want a constitutional government, which is a small, weak central government and strong state governments.

#3 We are against regulations that the federal government has no constitutional authority to institute. Clean, water, land, air acts? Sure, have them at the state level if you so choose. The EPA is an offense to the constitution and a constitutional government. As for national parks, these could easily be state parks and private parks. If the market wants parks (I do, and you do) the market will create parks.

#4 Many call it the war of northern aggression. Being from the west, I don't know much about this but what I do know is that it is based on the fact that Lincoln was trampling the constitution and states rights. As for neo-nazi's we are definitely against neo-nazi's, however neo-nazi's also should enjoy the same protections (freedom of speech, assembly, etc) as the rest of us. Again, we want the law applied equally to all.

This is very brief so if you have any further questions feel free to ask.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 03:36 AM
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OK...lets first define what America is. Today...It isn't the people, the government or any of that. America is the values drafted many, many years ago in various documents that state the rights and freedoms for all the citizens in the country. The strength of our resolve, our economy and our desire to be great. In short.

Republicans...using your example, love America. They don't want to change America, they want those core values to remain and dominate everything else. Right now, we see America as the same old country it has always been, but littered with the trash liberals have thrown about the land. A government that bleeds the people like a leech, illegals invading and demanding rights and benefits they don't legally deserve, liberals who wish to "change" our core values to more "modern" beliefs, etc. Speaking for a large number of Republicans...we want to clean up America and take out that same trash that has been thrown around the country and get us back to what America is all about...to a time when one person in a household could support a family...when people had respect for others and their property, religion, etc...when America as it looks was a much better place than today.

I personally, in my opinion, see Democrats/Liberals doing everything in their power to "transform" America into something else. They aren't trying to keep America to the original values and morals...they wish to throw away those rights and freedoms and "fundamentally change" America. And to an extent they have. Today, we have illegals getting driver's licenses and taking jobs that aren't there for them, we have corporations ruling, we have various groups demanding "special" rights, race issues, a hate for anyone who succeeds, a desire to sit back and leech off the government, a loss of self-reliance, respect and determination. Fathers who don't Father, wars we don't want or need, a government that controls the people instead of serving them.

So yes...I hate some of the things you mention. I hate how these things have taken a great country with a formerly great economy, great leaders, great values, great morals and a country that was looked up to by others and transformed it into the laughing stock of the world. Yes...I want the old America back. Sure...with some changes that it needs to grow, but not with restrictive, destructive changes that will destroy it in the end. For the good of the country, you sometimes have to deal with inconvenience, you may have to buck-up and work harder, you may not win a trophy for participating and you most definitely are NOT special. To quote something people won't like too much..."you are either with us or against us". If you want to CHANGE America...you are not someone who loves America. Sure...clean up all the crap and garbage that has been thrown around the place (by Liberals in my opinion) and get back to what made America great...SO IT CAN BE AGAIN.

In short...when you marry someone for who they are, and then decide to change them...you end up with someone you no longer like. So stop trying to CHANGE what is great. You will only destroy it and then you will have nothing. It CAN disappear...it CAN die. And I for one, don't want that.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 04:18 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Very well said.

Of course, the brain dead liberals will simply attack you claiming you want slaves in the fields, women in the kitchen, etc. Even though that's not at all what you said or implied. It's just the sad state of liberalism.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 09:10 AM
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Conservatives are the only thing keeping this, literal, God-forsaken country's afloat.

If you truely believe conservatives hate America, then you are what's wrong with this country.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

did you know that liberals were for slavery, and against civil rights in the 60s?



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: LiberLegit


did you know that liberals were for slavery, and against civil rights in the 60s?

Wait.
What?

just.....
no.

we have been discussing the nature of liberalism, to which American society has been deeply committed since its beginnings. Last time I was reviewing its hallmarks:

reformist
pragmatic
idealistic
elitist - a doctrine that favors merit, and hence values the social effects of competition.
This last point introduced a complication. The rise of liberalism from the late 18th century was coeval with the rise of the modern capitalist economy, based on industrialization and urbanization.
While the effect of this economic revolution was to increase the wealth of the society over the course of the 19th century, it did so unequally. The distance between the wealth of the middle class and the poverty of the working class became striking. It was evident to liberal politicians and reformers that equality before the law was in and of itself insufficient to promote the good society. Paupers could not compete on an equal footing with millionaires. Hence liberal society needed to introduce measures to provide a minimum of social security to permit the poor and the unfortunate to compete more effectively to fulfill their individual aspirations.

Gradually, from the mid-19th to the mid-20th century, liberal politicians and statesmen made concessions to economic and social policies to provide such social security. These included:
unemployment insurance
minimum wage
collective bargaining

Over the long-term, the economic condition of the working class improved, thanks in part to such governmental measures, in part to the labor movement for unionization. The lines between middle class and working class became more fluid during the twentieth century, particularly in the United States. Liberalism was being revised to meet the changing needs of an industrial society.

By the second half of the twentieth century, liberalism took on a socialist allure in its commitment to:
social security
economic planning
public welfare, by which I mean not only public assistance, but also the advice of the "helping professions" (social workers, psychologists, psychiatrists).

Liberalism in the contemporary age, therefore, has come to be closely associated with the welfare state, in which government assumed responsibility not only for the political and civil rights of its citizens, but also for their social and economic well-being.

The Politics of Liberalism: the '60s as a Crucial Decade
edit on 4/8/2015 by BuzzyWigs because: add emphasis (mine)



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: TheFirstL
Conservatives are the only thing keeping this, literal, God-forsaken country's afloat.

If you truely believe conservatives hate America, then you are what's wrong with this country.


“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: STTesc

"If you have nothing constructive to say, keep quiet. Speak little, listen much."

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: STTesc

"If you have nothing constructive to say, keep quiet. Speak little, listen much."


Constructive? This thread was only created because of the thread I created. There's a reason both are on the front page wit similar flags yet this thread has significantly less comments.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: STTesc


This thread was only created because of the thread I created. There's a reason both are on the front page wit similar flags yet this thread has significantly less comments.

Wow. You're very important then, I guess.

*eyeroll*



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: STTesc


This thread was only created because of the thread I created. There's a reason both are on the front page wit similar flags yet this thread has significantly less comments.

Wow. You're very important then, I guess.

*eyeroll*


Oh yes, very important. When I go out to restaurants they let me cook my own lobster at the table. With fire and sticks. And a big chef hat. Very important indeed.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: STTesc


There's a reason both are on the front page wit similar flags yet this thread has significantly less comments.

This one has more flags.
There's a reason for that. Congrats on your 31.
PS - Alex Jones is full of it.

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: STTesc


There's a reason both are on the front page wit similar flags yet this thread has significantly less comments.

This one has more flags.
There's a reason for that. Congrats on your 31.
PS - Alex Jones is full of it.


Well my thread is a bit special ed. This one seems more serious business.

Alex Jones has nothing to do with anything. I like Alex Jones.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant


I didn't say all conservatives are Nazis. I mentioned the link between conservatives & neo-Nazis & the Aryan Nation.

Lol!! I was listening to the radio while driving from Minneapolis to Kansas City on Monday, and the only station I could clearly pick up in Iowa was a "God" (conservative a la Ted Cruz) channel. There was an author being interviewed who claimed that the Nazis were Baal-worshippers,

and modern environmentalists are 'worshipping nature' and sacrificing children and ruining everything -- just like the Nazis did. He was building a 'perceived link' between Liberalism and Nazis. He tried to link Liberals to "Druid oak-tree worshippers." I was yelling at him in the car (I was by myself). But I was also laughing.......
the ridiculosity was amazing.

BTW, belated flag and stars. I agree with you totally.

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: STTesc

I liked him too, when I first stumbled upon him.
Now, he seems more on the par of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Two ginormous losers.

You like them, too?
Just curious.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Hey, do any of you resemble this description?


Progressives, I suggest, have three main characteristics. They see themselves as morally superior and feel it is their duty to tell others what they should do. They are experts at lying. And finally, they use the government to force their views on others.

At the root of progressivism is the belief that they alone know the best path for mankind, and they see themselves as morally superior and intellectually gifted. They believe ordinary people are not capable of running their own lives and that the progressive's job is similar to the "white man's burden" of the nineteenth century, the responsibility of the anointed to tell the rest of us what to do.

Progressives are dangerous because they will do anything and follow anyone in order to achieve their morally superior and intellectually advanced view of the world.

In addition to being morally superior, progressives are always willing to lie. Lying is permissible, even favored, because it works and because otherwise the "greater good" might not be realized.

Progressives correctly perceive that the vehicle for their morally superior outlook is government. How else but through the coercive power of government could they force the entire population to do something it does not want to do?

Many progressives are well-meaning people. Others are not. However, all progressives share the conviction that they will do whatever it takes – they will trample on any rights, destroy any traditions, confiscate any property, redistribute any wealth – in the service of their quasi-religious vision, whatever it may be at the time.

For them, the good outweighs the bad. You can't make an omelet or reshape a society, without breaking eggs, but progressives always turn away from the eggs they have broken.

The historical parallels between progressivism, Nazism, fascism, and Marxism, as practiced by Stalin, are not accidental.

- William Lafferty




www.discoverthenetworks.org...



Just as progressives were generally enthusiastic about socialist movements in the Soviet Union and Europe, they were also overwhelmingly supportive of the fascist movements in Italy and Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. “In many respects,” writes journalist Jonah Goldberg, “the founding fathers of modern liberalism, the men and women who laid the intellectual groundwork of the New Deal and the welfare state, thought that fascism sounded like ... a worthwhile 'experiment'”:

H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.



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