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Do most American Conservatives actually hate America? I'm convinced they do.

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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1. Libs jump on anything they can to claim this and it is a lie as you are aware I am sure. It is what allows you to keep playing "one card Monty" when ever a headline comes up. African-American attacks a store clerk then attacks a cop and is killed, becomes "hands up, don't shoot" and the people that knew the truth from the beginning are conservatives that are racist. Calling out Clinton for her crimes is a "war on women" , but belittling Palin and her children is simply politics as usual.

2. It's not the government it is the oversized, unnecessary, bloated government in place that needs to be trimmed down. A government that can "misplace" 6 Billion dollars from one office in four years needs to be dealt with wouldn't you say? If you think the government should be carrying 40% of the population from cradle to grave you need mental help not a political debate. A government that spends more spying on it's citizens that it spends spying on it's enemies should frighten you.

3. Repubs want to use the land, Dems want to sell it to foreigners. Americans are screwed either way there.

4. This is hardly a point worth replying to. It is finding the farthest, extreme fringe and acting as if it is the center. Show me an example of a conservative party candidate, that was taken seriously by the populace, who allowed skins at his events. Claiming something doesn't make it so.

Nice hit piece though. I'm sure you'll get lot's of "atta boys" from your fellows here. Ignore what you want, but the fact is both parties worked together (and independently) to destroy a once proud nation.

You are not conservative, here's an experiment.

Sit down with your significant other. Look deep into his/her eyes and say these words:

"I love you with all my heart and soul. I cherish you and would give everything, including my life for you without hesitation. Starting tonight I want you to throw away all you clothes and I will change the way you dress. I want you to dye you hair and wear contacts to change you eye color. You should also start using a slight southern accent because it excites me and I will call you Robert/Roberta from now on. Your friends are not cool so stop talking to them, I have a new group for you to hang out with. But remember, Robert/Roberta I love you and would do anything for you."

If you can do that than congrats you are a liberal, if not you are probably a closet conservative. Eventually, an event will happen in your life that will make you come out. My condolences in advance.

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:34 PM
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Well, I don't hate America, you'll have to take my word for it.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

First off I'm sorry my post assumed you were from the North, I was thinking in more hypothetical and historical terms.

I'm not in any way shape or form defending slavery or the use of slaves by the South. It wasn't right, but the North did some bad things too and that's important to remember! Although slavery was an important factor don't forget that the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't signed until 1863 so the threat of slaves becoming free in the South wasn't even an immediate issue until after the Civil War began. From my perspective, and take it or leave it, the Civil War was about Money and Power.

Cotton was the oil of the day and extremely valuable to the South. The plantation owners made good profits because of the free labor. Also two of the biggest customers for Southern cotton was Britain and the North. In the years prior to the Civil War the government imposed a large tariff on exports including Cotton. This hurt the business of selling Cotton to the British and infuriated the South. When the South declared secession the North naturally didn't like it for several reasons but one was because they just lost a BIG source of Cotton/Food/& other resources the South provided to them. The North was more manufacturing oriented rather than agricultural. The North needed the South. Britain also needed cheap Southern resources and intervened a bit supplying weapons, troops, and other supplies to the South because having no tariffs on exports was good for them. So if you want another hostile country to hate add Britain on there too.

The point to all of this is naturally all our perspectives are biased. You naturally hate the confederacy because of slavery, as many other people do. Understand though that the bigger picture was Money and a fight over States rights. Does anybody really have the right to own someone else? Of course not. But does a State have a right to succeed from a Union they voluntarily joined? That's the real issue.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:45 PM
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I'm seriously curious to see how you and other liberals will respond to this reply, because I am fully convinced that most "active liberals" actually hate America and completely despise any American who does not agree with the liberal agenda and will not live, act, or accept YOUR values. (Which you constantly try to force down everyone's throat). There is no such thing as tolerance with most Liberals, they are fully Totalitarian, Do what we want, live like we tell you to like, live like we tell you live, accept our values, or else!

1. How do you love America when you openly hate its other citizens and have absolutely no tolerance for others if they do not agree with or resist your totalitarian agendas? Agree with us or else you will suffer!

Many Liberals openly hate any African American Conservative, resorting to belittling them and calling them names, any Christian that dares to openly profess their faith (unless they agree with it), any minority they pretend to Champion that doesn't agree with their politics or tactics.

Liberals also seem to hate American workers who do not want to be forced to join a Union and pay dues to an organization whose sole purpose is to fund Democratic party elections and has zero accountability to the members; Americans who love their children and want to home school (or private school if they can afford it); Americans who love the 1st and 2nd amendments (which Liberals only like the 1st if they agree with what is being said, otherwise they want to enforce a "fairness doctrine" which is called turn the channel); and American women who are actually successful, the first or best in their field but are NOT a feminist or a Democrat (they are either ignored or marginalized). In other words, it seems that most Liberals hate all Americans who Do Not Agree with them or vote for the policies they lust to ENFORCE over the rest of us. Liberals are generally not happy unless they are dictating how the rest of us should Live, Think, Act, Say, and Do.

Liberals are like a cable tie, each click tightens around your neck and there is no way to loosen the grip. Click, click, click, it is never enough, you must enforce your will and values upon everyone else or there will be consequences. (Usually with the threat of Government, do what we want, think how we want, say what we want, OR ELSE!)


2. How do you love America when you openly hate its constitution and rule of law?

The Liberal motto is “The end justifies the means, the law and constitution are barriers to progress (your version of progress, agree with us or else), and Government is a tool to maintain power, use it against your enemies, for your friends, and definitely get as many people dependent on eternal handouts so they will vote for us”.

So Liberals openly root for the larger and more powerful government, more power for government agencies with unelected appointed cronies to bypass the legislative branch and process, and cheer when "laws" are enacted unilaterally through executive or government agencies which support your agendas. Liberals also routinely try to fund government agencies which openly support liberal agendas with taxpayer money, and campaign on promises to give out more handouts or tax someone more so you feel better, devastating the middle class. Of course, Liberals also don't seem to care about the Americans who are affected by their policies in the least, especially the American workers & their families who are affected by their re-distribution of wealth (not the ultra rich but the damn middle class who are paying out the nose and cannot get ahead). So how can you love America when you want to bypass our laws and constitutional process in order to ENFORCE your will upon everyone else? Again, the end always justifies the means.

3. How do you love America when you work to destroy its prosperity?

I'm a Realist. I also want limits on how much corporations can pollute America's waters, air, and land. I also want Liberals to have some common sense and think about the consequences of their actions (though the consequences cause more economic suffering, increasing the dependency rolls, thus their power base). Liberals fight against common sense initiatives like Solar farms, wind farms, hydro-electric power, nuclear power, hell any kind of power. You cannot have it both ways, we need electricity fools. You hate coal, businesses try to use solar, wind, natural gas, and hydro electric and you fight it all, you fight power line routes if we want to put solar in the desert, you fight any kind of progress on any and ALL energy fronts. It is ridiculous. Liberals fight to bar American countries from performing off-shore drilling but have no problem when the Venezuelans move in and do the exact same thing and probably not as safely. Now you want (along with wall street) carbon credits which we know will do nothing to Lower greenhouse gas, it only make those chosen allies very rich as all the cost will be passed on to the end consumer. (oh, yeah, more subsidies so you can entrap even more to depend on your party because you are subsidizing the cost for people YOU are sending to the poor house due to the very PROBLEMS YOU HAVE CREATED. (Slick tactic and utterly despicable)


4. How do you love America when you openly support Elitism (The Party faithful and the serfs), National Socialism (Corporate Fascism for those business that support your causes) and seem to tolerate and or openly support any group promoting racial, ethnic, or religious causes unless the organization is of the Christian religion or the race / ethnicity is considered European in origin? (Would it be racist if there was a Scandinavian advocacy organization called La Raza ("the Race") advocating for Scandinavian immigration rights to their former territories in North America? Just asking? Seriously?

That pretty much sums it up. As for a confederate flag, that is a defeated enemy. I am from the Land of Lincoln so I have no idea why anyone would idolize a confederate flag. I see that flag as I would the Imperial Japanese flag from WW2. My grandparents were legal immigrants to this country in the early 1900's and we have darker skin than most of you elitist white Liberals so I don't have any of this silly "ancestral guilt" you Liberals keep preaching about.

Conservatives also regularly threaten to secede from America when things don't go their way?

Um, yes, I can see that but they really don't want to succeed from America, they want to succeed from the Liberals who are in charge of a city in their state that are either bleeding them dry with taxes or trying to ENFORCE their will (another end justifies the means) upon everyone else around them. Most of the time, using the hammer of government to enforce their values, behavior, and ideology upon everyone else which is why they don't want to really succeed form America, they want to get the hell away from you and your totalitarianism!

Trying to get as far away from The Liberals with the attitude of "DO WHAT WE WANT OR ELSE! And there are a lot with that mentality. Especially since they have ruined and economically devastated many areas of the country and then move to another state, continue to advance liberal policies, then wonder why the hell their new home is starting to collapse like their old home. (Liberal Locust Effect)

Now to be fair, a bunch of Liberals were threatening to leave when King George the 2nd was President.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: enlightenedservant




1. How do you love America when you openly hate its other citizens?


Which citizens ?

Would that be conservatives themselves?

No wait it's rich people, no wait my bad it's christain's. No wait it's gun owners. No wait it's bankers. No wait it's them fat cat ceo's. No wait it's the police!

Do tell clarify which 'people' conservatives hate.




3. How do you love America when you work to destroy its land?




2. How do you love America when you openly hate its government?


We do?

Funny how that 'conservative' Richard Nixon created the EPA. A noble goal once upon a time in America. It is has been bastardized in to something far, far worse.

Conservatives opposites have now a lofty delusion of trying to control the entire world. Although they have no real plan except taxation, and more regulation. The only thing conservative opposites have accomplished is to put more people out of work, increase outsourcing including outsourcing of pollution to other countries.

For anyone paying attention things that government ALREADY has.




4. How do you love America when you openly support 2 of America's biggest historical enemies & threaten to leave America when you don't get your way?


Which two enemies is that prey tell ?

Communism, and socialism?

Social engineering the environment to suit the most mediocre of society?

Ya know a world where everyone gets a trophy for showing up. Certain demographics get jobs based nothing upon the color of their skin regardless of qualifications.

I guess forget all of the above , and HATE who, and what conservative opposites tell people to hate.

Every American should be weary of government, Hell our country was founded with an absolute distrust of absolute power.

Power that was relegated to the hands of the people. For some ungodly reason certain people think that the power of the state is absolute.

In this case liberals think they are better than conservatives.

They are far,far,far,far from it.


Yes! Finally! Thanks for actually trying to respond to the points, though it looks like you responded to the bold & not the actual points I listed out beneath them.

1st, I listed which citizens right after that initial sentence. African Americans, Hispanic Americans, LGBT, progressive & liberal Americans, Americans for women's rights, Muslim Americans, Americans receiving government benefits, Americans in unions, anti-war Americans, pro-environment Americans, etc. I don't see how you could have missed that so I'm not sure why you're asking "which Americans?". I didn't even mention wealth either. now do you deny that conservatives fight against the political moves made by those groups?

2nd, as for Nixon & the EPA. Please don't pretend that conservatives aren't trying to get rid of the EPA. Here's 1 and here's a 2nd link on the Republican plan to end or defund the EPA.

3rd, did you even read my post? I listed the 2 enemies right after that line. The Neo-Nazi groups in America & the Confederate States of America. I literally put that right underneath the lines you "responded" to. My grandfather fought against the Nazis in Europe, yet there are neo-Nazis here in America's conservative base. Is that inaccurate?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: 200Plus
1. Libs jump on anything they can to claim this and it is a lie as you are aware I am sure. It is what allows you to keep playing "one card Monty" when ever a headline comes up. African-American attacks a store clerk then attacks a cop and is killed, becomes "hands up, don't shoot" and the people that knew the truth from the beginning are conservatives that are racist. Calling out Clinton for her crimes is a "war on women" , but belittling Palin and her children is simply politics as usual.

2. It's not the government it is the oversized, unnecessary, bloated government in place that needs to be trimmed down. A government that can "misplace" 6 Billion dollars from one office in four years needs to be dealt with wouldn't you say? If you think the government should be carrying 40% of the population from cradle to grave you need mental help not a political debate. A government that spends more spying on it's citizens that it spends spying on it's enemies should frighten you.

3. Repubs want to use the land, Dems want to sell it to foreigners. Americans are screwed either way there.

4. This is hardly a point worth replying to. It is finding the farthest, extreme fringe and acting as if it is the center. Show me an example of a conservative party candidate, that was taken seriously by the populace, who allowed skins at his events. Claiming something doesn't make it so.

Nice hit piece though. I'm sure you'll get lot's of "atta boys" from your fellows here. Ignore what you want, but the fact is both parties worked together (and independently) to destroy a once proud nation.

You are not conservative, here's an experiment.

Sit down with your significant other. Look deep into his/her eyes and say these words:

"I love you with all my heart and soul. I cherish you and would give everything, including my life for you without hesitation. Starting tonight I want you to throw away all you clothes and I will change the way you dress. I want you to dye you hair and wear contacts to change you eye color. You should also start using a slight southern accent because it excites me and I will call you Robert/Roberta from now on. Your friends are not cool so stop talking to them, I have a new group for you to hang out with. But remember, Robert/Roberta I love you and would do anything for you."

If you can do that than congrats you are a liberal, if not you are probably a closet conservative. Eventually, an event will happen in your life that will make you come out. My condolences in advance.


What does your #1 have to do with Hispanic Americans, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans, Americans in unions, Americans receiving government benefits, etc? Or do you agree with all of those points but only disagree about the African American part?

#2 So you say conservatives aren't against the US govt, but are against an over-sized government? Ok, I'll accept your point. Though I htink it's a bit ironic you mention the govt spying when it was Bush who pushed the Patriot Act which allowed all this. But that goes with your point, so thanks for that response.

#3 Want to use the land? By strip mining it & drilling on it? How does that go against my point? I literally said conservatives want to drill in the National Parks & strip mine them. That would destroy those ecosystems, which is what I''m against. How did your point refute my point? also, I directly said I want the next generations to be able to enjoy those lands. How is that selling them off?

#4 You mean like Ron Paul and Rand Paul? First I found, 2nd I found, and 3rd I found, which is for Rand. they're about as conservative as you can get (and I didn't even get to Ron's newsletter). There's also Rick Perry and his ranch as well, but whatever. Oh yeah, and who can forget Steve Scalise?

Though my point with Neo-Nazis & the Aryan Nation is that they are also conservatives, and they also hate all of the groups mentioned in #1, but conservatives never attack them.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:04 PM
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originally posted by: 200Plus

You are not conservative, here's an experiment.

Sit down with your significant other. Look deep into his/her eyes and say these words:

"I love you with all my heart and soul. I cherish you and would give everything, including my life for you without hesitation. Starting tonight I want you to throw away all you clothes and I will change the way you dress. I want you to dye you hair and wear contacts to change you eye color. You should also start using a slight southern accent because it excites me and I will call you Robert/Roberta from now on. Your friends are not cool so stop talking to them, I have a new group for you to hang out with. But remember, Robert/Roberta I love you and would do anything for you."

If you can do that than congrats you are a liberal, if not you are probably a closet conservative. Eventually, an event will happen in your life that will make you come out. My condolences in advance.



NICE!

Right on the money. Star for that!

That is the perfect description of Liberal "Do What I Say, Believe what we tell you to believe, Support our values or else" Mentality. The only thing left out was "And Robert / Roberta, if you don't do these things, there will be consequences".
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:15 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant




1st, I listed which citizens right after that initial sentence. African Americans, Hispanic Americans, LGBT, progressive & liberal Americans, Americans for women's rights, Muslim Americans, Americans receiving government benefits, Americans in unions, anti-war Americans, pro-environment Americans, etc. I don't see how you could have missed that so I'm not sure why you're asking "which Americans?". I didn't even mention wealth either. now do you deny that conservatives fight against the political moves made by those groups?


There are a lot more groups of people in this country than what the left panders to all the while keep telling them that the 'right' keeps 'oppressing' them. Especially when they don't really give a rats behind about them.

There is only two things politicians care about money, and votes. That is it. NOTHING else.

Bankers,and ceos have had over 100 years of political hackery against them.

Gun owners since 1934.

See those groups have been around ALOT longer than the manufactured outrage from the left of today. That is nothing more than identity politics.

Identity politics is the name of the game.

Divide, and conquer.




2nd, as for Nixon & the EPA. Please don't pretend that conservatives aren't trying to get rid of the EPA. Here's 1 and here's a 2nd link on the Republican plan to end or defund the EPA


And ?

The EPA is bought and paid for. Politics run it just like the IRS, and the BATFE, and the DOJ.

For those that seem to forget government agencies are suppose to be APOLITICAL.

They are not suppose to make up their own rules as they go along, and they are answerable to congress.

Not as gestapo for the White House.




3rd, did you even read my post? I listed the 2 enemies right after that line. The Neo-Nazi groups in America & the Confederate States of America.


Was there a point there ?

All I have heard is how righteous the 'master race' of liberal are today, and how them conservatives have to be kept on the plantation.




. My grandfather fought against the Nazis in Europe, yet there are neo-Nazis here in America's conservative base. Is that inaccurate?


So ?
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:17 PM
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the very right wing ones only seem to love themselves and wealth a reply to: enlightenedservant



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

I can't wait to see liberals and conservatives eat each other alive in this hate thread.

Lets reverse it since we are generalizing people.

How come liberals hate the USA since they hate conservatives



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Didn't the ACLU defend a neo-nazi group? Defend their right to be neo-nazis?

I feel like they did.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:25 PM
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Many American Conservatives said in 2012 that if Obama were re-elected, they were moving to Canada (the most famous being Rush Limbaugh).

This was to object to Obama support for subsidized health care, gun control (imagined), higher taxes (imagined), and gay marriage.

Of course, in Canada we already have subsidized health care, gun control (real), higher taxes than the USA (real) and Federal gay marriage.

I'm not aware of a single American TEA Party member who has moved to Canada as stated.

The TEA Party is actually not that far away from becoming the National Front of America, it's a very scary place to be.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: neo96

Didn't the ACLU defend a neo-nazi group? Defend their right to be neo-nazis?

I feel like they did.


The irony here is the 'liberals' entire platform is oppressive to groups of people they hate.

They then turn around and demagogue the right for 'hating' people.

The ACLU prolly did.

The classical definition of what the word use to mean was freedom.

Including freedom of thought no matter if one disagreed with it.

Truth be told both liberals, and conservatives need to stop using their descriptors.

They don't mean what they think it means.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:31 PM
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You deflected & didn't actually respond to the points I made. As I stated in the OP, I'm asking about conservative views on conservative actions. But I have some time to spare so why not.

1. I actually agree partially with your first point. I don't think it's right to attack members of minority groups who don't go along with stereotypically "progressive" viewpoints. All people should be entitled to their opinions. Though that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. Of course, you deflected on this point instead of actually addressing what I said but whatever.


Liberals are generally not happy unless they are dictating how the rest of us should Live, Think, Act, Say, and Do.

Now this is pretty funny. The main thing progressives are trying to "dictate" is equal protection under the laws. Something that's found in the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution. And ironically, it's conservatives who are trying to stop Muslims from building mosques, stop LGBT's from getting married, workers form being able to join in unions, etc. But whatever.

2.


The Liberal motto is “The end justifies the means, the law and constitution are barriers to progress (your version of progress, agree with us or else), and Government is a tool to maintain power, use it against your enemies, for your friends, and definitely get as many people dependent on eternal handouts so they will vote for us”.


Uhh, I've never heard that quote before. Did you make it up? Because the quote I used for conservatives is from Ronald Reagan. So are you saying conservatives don't believe this now? If so, my bad. I was under the impression they still do:




So Liberals openly root for the larger and more powerful government, more power for government agencies with unelected appointed cronies to bypass the legislative branch and process, and cheer when "laws" are enacted unilaterally through executive or government agencies which support your agendas. Liberals also routinely try to fund government agencies which openly support liberal agendas with taxpayer money, and campaign on promises to give out more handouts or tax someone more so you feel better, devastating the middle class. Of course, Liberals also don't seem to care about the Americans who are affected by their policies in the least, especially the American workers & their families who are affected by their re-distribution of wealth (not the ultra rich but the damn middle class who are paying out the nose and cannot get ahead). So how can you love America when you want to bypass our laws and constitutional process in order to ENFORCE your will upon everyone else? Again, the end always justifies the means.

Conservatives do that to. Though this has nothing to do with my point, which you deflected from again.

3.


Liberals fight against common sense initiatives like Solar farms, wind farms, hydro-electric power
Ok, here's where you lost me. Many liberals do fight against nuclear power, but solar, wind, and hydroelectric?? That's not even slightly true. Green energy is one of the things progressives fight for, not against. Also, what does that have to do with my point about conservatives wanting to destroy the ecosystems of National Parks by drilling in them & strip mining them? Oh yeah, you were deflecting again.

4. This one we actually seem in agreement with (mostly). Though what do the things you mentioned in the bold have to do with backing groups that fought America? I specifically brought up the Confederate Flag, which you agreed with. And I brought up Neo-Nazis & Aryan Nation, which you ignored. However, saying conservatives want to secede from the Liberals when they're in control of America is the same as seceding from America! How is that patriotic? And which US states threatened to secede under Bush? Because several states including Texas did under Obama.

And for the record, I'm progressive but only semi-liberal. "Liberal" deals more with social issues. My "liberal" views are pretty much just pushing for equal rights for all people so I don't get involved in the details for that.

I'd love it if you actually addressed the points I brought up though.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: neo96

Didn't the ACLU defend a neo-nazi group? Defend their right to be neo-nazis?

I feel like they did.


The irony here is the 'liberals' entire platform is oppressive to groups of people they hate.

They then turn around and demagogue the right for 'hating' people.

The ACLU prolly did.

The classical definition of what the word use to mean was freedom.

Including freedom of thought no matter if one disagreed with it.

Truth be told both liberals, and conservatives need to stop using their descriptors.

They don't mean what they think it means.


Oh no they totally did. 1978, a Chicago suburb. They challenged a ruling on behalf of a neo-nazi group that had barred them from holding a March. I was piggybacking on your "so?" comment.

So conservatives don't attack neo-nazi groups, and liberals defend them. Yet conservatives are the bad guys.

Curious, that.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I can't wait to see liberals and conservatives eat each other alive in this hate thread.

Lets reverse it since we are generalizing people.

How come liberals hate the USA since they hate conservatives


For the record, I don't hate anyone. Just want to bring people to their senses. I don't wish death or oppression on anyone either, just want them to realize their mistakes & move forward.

I didn't even come to the conclusion in the OP until I sat down & thought about all of the policies I'm fighting against & why. And the more I wrote down, the more it became obvious that some people are actively rooting for the country to fail. I even remembered conservatives cheering when America lost the Olympic bid in 2009.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:40 PM
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So conservatives don't attack neo-nazi groups, and liberals defend them. Yet conservatives are the bad guys.


Even more curious how the liberals just never seem to have anything nice to say about Israel( see the thousands of threads of ATS)

Even more curious the KKK was created by the LEFT.

But the 'right' hates them.

I seem to recall the current administration funding the opposition to Netanyahu just recently.

Conservatives are always the bad guys because the left never looks at the mirror or opens up a history book.
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: neo96

Didn't the ACLU defend a neo-nazi group? Defend their right to be neo-nazis?

I feel like they did.


They probably did. I think they've even defended the Klan (as well as fought them), though I'm not sure.

Though how does that refute the point that American Neo-Nazis, the Aryan Nation, and pro-Confederacy people are conservatives? And how does that refute the point that many conservatives say they are patriotic but openly support these groups who fought America? Your comments don't refute my words at all. You're just deflecting the issue instead of addressing it head on.
edit on 4-4-2015 by enlightenedservant because: screwed up. typing too fast. need to calm down & eat some raspberries or something lol



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Shamrock6




So conservatives don't attack neo-nazi groups, and liberals defend them. Yet conservatives are the bad guys.


Even more curious how the liberals just never seem to have anything nice to say about Israel( see the thousands of threads of ATS)

Even more curious the KKK was created by the LEFT.

But the 'right' hates them.

I seem to recall the current administration funding the opposition to Netanyahu just recently.

Conservatives are always the bad guys because the left never looks at the mirror or opens up a history book.


That's not true at all. The KKK was started by former Confederate soldiers right after the Civil War. unless you're telling me the Confederates were Left wing. and if they were, why are their supporters anti-left wing? And everyone knows the Democrats & Republicans switched positions on civil rights in the 1960s. that was the whole point of Nixon & Atwater's "Southern Strategy".

And what does Israel have to do with the US? There's nothing in the US Constitution that says anything about Israel, much less that Americans should support Israel.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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If you love someone, then you accept them as they are rather than loving them with the hopes to change them... Which party is it that usually runs on a platform of change and fundamental transformation of America, again?

I'd argue that the progressive attitude towards America, always focusing on "what they want America to be" rather than the Conservative focus of "What America has always been and what America was supposed to be per the Constitution" is a pretty clear indicator that this OP is fatally flawed at best.



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