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Do most American Conservatives actually hate America? I'm convinced they do.

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: enlightenedservant

You repeatedly use the word hate among other adjectives to describe your opinion of conservative views. Actually your post read a lot like a poison pen letter. While you did not specifically say you hated conservatives your statement more than implied that.


While it may be an accurate assesment of this single thread; I have found that the word 'hate' comes out of the mouths of regressives more often then progressive. In fact, I believe the newly coined noun 'hater' originated with regressive sources.


What is believed to be the first known usage of the term "hater" comes from the 2001 song "Playas Gon' Play" by the all female group 3LW. So I don't think that's 100% accurate. In pop culture anyway.
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Many conservatives even proudly wave the Confederate flag. The Confederate States of America was a hostile nation that waged war with the United States of America in a war that left 600,000 Americans dead. Yet conservatives openly display the Confederate flag as a rallying symbol. Conservatives also regularly threaten to secede from America when things don't go their way. How is that supposed to be patriotism or loyalty to America?


Your whole post is based on bias and perspective. As a Northerner or a "liberal" you may consider the South the ones who shot first and a hostile nation. A Southerner or "conservative" may believe that it was the Federal Government that intruded on their rights and sovereignty.

The First Battle of the Civil War was Fort Sumter and no one actually died from that engagement. The South declared secession and wanted the Federal Government to leave the Southern states. The Feds didn't heed this warning and a battle ensued in which the North surrendered. Afterwards the real war began in which the North ATTACKED and took back the Southern States. The majority of the war took place in the South, the South for the most part was fighting a defensive war.
Overall the Civil War was horrible and both sides did horrible things. The North basically starved and burned the South, just because they didn't want to conform to the laws of the Feds.

Now as unethical as slavery is, the South felt the Federal Government was infringing upon their rights as a state. Slavery wasn't even the primary reason for the Civil War, a lot had to do with the Cotton Trade and Tariffs. This is why some Southern Conservatives fly the flag of the Confederacy because it is a rebellious, pro state rights, and an anti establishment symbol to them.

To you, me and the majority of the country it is a symbol of slavery but that is our perspective. I do sympathize with the South a bit for the reasons mentioned and think the North should have taken a more diplomatic approach. Buchanan kind of screwed that up though.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Was that off the dome or was there some googling involved with that tid bit of info?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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I don't accept the characterizations that you've made. You've over generalized, stated the most extreme views and emotions as if they were the "norm", and concatenated widely disparate groups. As you've presented them, your "points" are something you shovel off the stable floor rather than something worth serious consideration.

Your post invites people to a conservative bashing hate rally, not a productive conversation.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Half and half. I knew the name of the song and the line, couldn't remember the group name. I remember it because a friend ran around saying the chorus. A lot.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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So we are supposed to believe all these "Red" Congressional Districts voted in by Citizens represents mostly hate for America?




posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

This thread is a crock of #.

I was going to go step by step and challenge each point but it's not even worth it. Saying Conservatives are Nazi's and all Confederate flag wavers is just insane. Person writing has no clue.

Whats sad is this site has become a cess pool of Progressive Liberal lies.. People like the OP make me sick. They obviously have an agenda.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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originally posted by: asmall89

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Many conservatives even proudly wave the Confederate flag. The Confederate States of America was a hostile nation that waged war with the United States of America in a war that left 600,000 Americans dead. Yet conservatives openly display the Confederate flag as a rallying symbol. Conservatives also regularly threaten to secede from America when things don't go their way. How is that supposed to be patriotism or loyalty to America?


Your whole post is based on bias and perspective. As a Northerner or a "liberal" you may consider the South the ones who shot first and a hostile nation. A Southerner or "conservative" may believe that it was the Federal Government that intruded on their rights and sovereignty.

The First Battle of the Civil War was Fort Sumter and no one actually died from that engagement. The South declared secession and wanted the Federal Government to leave the Southern states. The Feds didn't heed this warning and a battle ensued in which the North surrendered. Afterwards the real war began in which the North ATTACKED and took back the Southern States. The majority of the war took place in the South, the South for the most part was fighting a defensive war.
Overall the Civil War was horrible and both sides did horrible things. The North basically starved and burned the South, just because they didn't want to conform to the laws of the Feds.

Now as unethical as slavery is, the South felt the Federal Government was infringing upon their rights as a state. Slavery wasn't even the primary reason for the Civil War, a lot had to do with the Cotton Trade and Tariffs. This is why some Southern Conservatives fly the flag of the Confederacy because it is a rebellious, pro state rights, and an anti establishment symbol to them.

To you, me and the majority of the country it is a symbol of slavery but that is our perspective. I do sympathize with the South a bit for the reasons mentioned and think the North should have taken a more diplomatic approach. Buchanan kind of screwed that up though.


For the record, I'm an African American from the South. 4 generations back, my ancestors were slaves. The Constitution of The Confederate States of America lists at least 10 references that regulated their right to own slaves. And many of the individual states listed slavery as one of the primary reasons for their individual secessions. If the South had won, my siblings & I would be slaves today. And there are conservatives right now that argue that my people were better off as slaves.

My family line was there for every moment of the Civil Rights Movement & before it. My parents grew up in Segregation & my mom can vividly remember the 1st time our people were allowed to vote (her made her walk w/her to the polling place so she'd never forget the sheer hatred thrown at them). However, my mom's one of the most tolerant people I've ever met in my life & doesn't hold a grudge from it.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: imwilliam
I don't accept the characterizations that you've made. You've over generalized, stated the most extreme views and emotions as if they were the "norm", and concatenated widely disparate groups. As you've presented them, your "points" are something you shovel off the stable floor rather than something worth serious consideration.

Your post invites people to a conservative bashing hate rally, not a productive conversation.





BS My points are valid and I've explicitly labeled some as "many", "some", or "most", depending on which point I'm making. And I still don't see you or the others refuting what I've laid out.

So conservatives don't say "government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem"? Conservatives don't fight against environmental protections? Conservatives don't fight against equal rights issues for all of the groups I mentioned in #1? And you're really going to act like conservatives don't hate unions, which are literally American workers who organize to get better benefits?
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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originally posted by: WhereAreTheGoodguys
a reply to: enlightenedservant

This thread is a crock of #.

I was going to go step by step and challenge each point but it's not even worth it. Saying Conservatives are Nazi's and all Confederate flag wavers is just insane. Person writing has no clue.

Whats sad is this site has become a cess pool of Progressive Liberal lies.. People like the OP make me sick. They obviously have an agenda.


I didn't say all conservatives are Nazis. I mentioned the link between conservatives & neo-Nazis & the Aryan Nation. Those are facts. Unless you're saying that America's neo-Nazis & Aryan Nation are progressives and or liberals. you know just as I do who they side with. And you still didn't refute the points I made.
edit on 4-4-2015 by enlightenedservant because: added stuff because yeah...



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: WhereAreTheGoodguys

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Well there is this thread, which has about the same attention, so it would be pretty even I would say.
Now I bet I won't see you posters throwing out the claims of BS over generalization in that thread saying the same thing...
Wonder why that is.

This forum is far from a progressive cess pool.
Shoot there is an active thread that is using one side of a conversation to essentially sum up the race relations in the US.
42 flags based on a one persons point of view of one conversation.


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: WhereAreTheGoodguys

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Well there is this thread, which has about the same attention, so it would be pretty even I would say.
Now I bet I won't see you posters throwing out the claims of BS over generalization in that thread saying the same thing...
Wonder why that is.

This forum is far from a progressive cess pool.
Shoot there is an active thread that is using one side of a conversation to essentially sum up the race relations in the US.
42 flags based on a one persons point of view of one conversation.



Thank you.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: imwilliam
I don't accept the characterizations that you've made. You've over generalized, stated the most extreme views and emotions as if they were the "norm", and concatenated widely disparate groups. As you've presented them, your "points" are something you shovel off the stable floor rather than something worth serious consideration.

Your post invites people to a conservative bashing hate rally, not a productive conversation.





BS My points are valid and I've explicitly labeled some as "many", "some", or "most", depending on which point I'm making. And I still don't see you or the others refuting what I've laid out.


Why bother? You clearly have some very strong feelings about it. Nothing in your OP suggests you want somebody to change your mind. Your belief is your belief, and you just want somebody to debate you on it.

That's how you sound anyway. To paraphrase a comment I made in another thread, "how very open minded and liberal you sound"



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:04 PM
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. . . . . and conservatives hate kittens also.

OP? You forgot to add kittens. Conservatives hate kittens. Because kittens know the language of the unicorns.

And conservatives really hate those.

And butterflies. Conservatives don't like them either.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: imwilliam
I don't accept the characterizations that you've made. You've over generalized, stated the most extreme views and emotions as if they were the "norm", and concatenated widely disparate groups. As you've presented them, your "points" are something you shovel off the stable floor rather than something worth serious consideration.

Your post invites people to a conservative bashing hate rally, not a productive conversation.





BS My points are valid and I've explicitly labeled some as "many", "some", or "most", depending on which point I'm making. And I still don't see you or the others refuting what I've laid out.


Why bother? You clearly have some very strong feelings about it. Nothing in your OP suggests you want somebody to change your mind. Your belief is your belief, and you just want somebody to debate you on it.

That's how you sound anyway. To paraphrase a comment I made in another thread, "how very open minded and liberal you sound"


I only "sound" that way because these are observations I've noticed. You won't bother to dispute them because you know that conservatives do indeed hate the federal govt, want to allow unregulated pollution to American lands, and constantly attack any moves made by progressives, unions, liberals, the LGBT community, minority rights groups, etc.

Or am I wrong about that? Conservatives don't want Muslims to be able to build mosques in America, constantly attack anti-war pacifists when we try to go for diplomacy instead of war, and fight at every turn to reduce benefits to Americans who receive government benefits. How is that false? That's virtually the entire conservative viewpoint. As is the "right" conservatives believe that they can secede from America if they choose to. How is that patriotism?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:16 PM
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I dedicate this song to conservatives.



👣



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:20 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

And liberals want to blah blah blah and hate America because blah blah blah.

As I said in my initial comment, no side can realistically claim the other side loves America more or less than they do. Who hates America is dependent on who "you" see as the one that hates America from where you stand.

That's why threads like this are so entertaining: at the very core, regardless of how they're dressed up, the main idea is that "the other side" is unAmerican. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I won't bother to dispute your beliefs and observations because a) they're yours, not mine and b) I'm not a republican and feel no obligation to defend them. Perhaps one of them will bite the hook and you can have your great debate/republican bash.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:21 PM
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I think the two party system has totally skewed it towards an us vs. them dynamic. I bet if you independently poll people on issues alone we are not all that different (extremists aside). How can people be so black and white on issues when the majority issues have a grey area? Its a tactic used to divide and conquer. The reason why candidates are labeled extremely right wing or left wing libereal is because they are playing to the extremists in their base. Their rhetoric changes from the primary to a mainstream election because they know no one can win by only appealing to their base. Most people are moderates.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:22 PM
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Like I've said in previous posts on ats

The Usa is an amazing Country, driven wholey by the conservative values at the core of it's recent history as a young Country.

Take a planet, colonised by the US, they establish a base, thrive, end up being self sufficient and have their own government, taking orders from the USA, the people paying taxes to the US. How long until they demand independence? The people that arrive have a vast unclaimed land to pioneer and set up business.

History repeats, today the Us has gone or going beyond the point of the early pioneers being able to utilise the ideology of capitalism in its true form. Today capitalism exists but restrictions apply, very heavy restrictions. Sure you can get an education at a a cost, open a new business, expand it, if you are lucky be successful but you will always be a slave to those large private corporations dictating policy to the democratically elected government.

A true democracy shouldn't allow influence and control by wealth, we have that in the USA, and the UK.

Capitalism is good, it needs a context of socialism to balance and keep control of the very rich from screwing the very rights of the poor born into poverty that should have the same rights and oportunity to flourish beyond the £$'s of their moms and dads



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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1. How do you love America when you openly hate its other citizens?


Which citizens ?

Would that be conservatives themselves?

No wait it's rich people, no wait my bad it's christain's. No wait it's gun owners. No wait it's bankers. No wait it's them fat cat ceo's. No wait it's the police!

Do tell clarify which 'people' conservatives hate.




3. How do you love America when you work to destroy its land?




2. How do you love America when you openly hate its government?


We do?

Funny how that 'conservative' Richard Nixon created the EPA. A noble goal once upon a time in America. It is has been bastardized in to something far, far worse.

Conservatives opposites have now a lofty delusion of trying to control the entire world. Although they have no real plan except taxation, and more regulation. The only thing conservative opposites have accomplished is to put more people out of work, increase outsourcing including outsourcing of pollution to other countries.

For anyone paying attention things that government ALREADY has.




4. How do you love America when you openly support 2 of America's biggest historical enemies & threaten to leave America when you don't get your way?


Which two enemies is that prey tell ?

Communism, and socialism?

Social engineering the environment to suit the most mediocre of society?

Ya know a world where everyone gets a trophy for showing up. Certain demographics get jobs based nothing upon the color of their skin regardless of qualifications.

I guess forget all of the above , and HATE who, and what conservative opposites tell people to hate.

Every American should be weary of government, Hell our country was founded with an absolute distrust of absolute power.

Power that was relegated to the hands of the people. For some ungodly reason certain people think that the power of the state is absolute.

In this case liberals think they are better than conservatives.

They are far,far,far,far from it.
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