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Do most American Conservatives actually hate America? I'm convinced they do.

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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I'm seriously curious to see how conservatives respond to this, because I'm convinced that most conservatives actually hate America.

1. How do you love America when you openly hate its other citizens?

Many conservatives openly hate African Americans, Hispanic Americans, lesbian/gay/bisexual/transsexual Americans, Muslim Americans, liberal & progressive Americans, American immigrants, American pacifists (anti-war activists), and atheist Americans.

Conservatives also seem to hate American workers who organize to get better workplace benefits (unions); Americans who love nature (environmentalists & “treehuggers”); Americans who receive government benefits; and American women who try to push for equal rights for all American women (women's rights activists). In other words, it seems that most conservatives hate all Americans who aren't conservatives.

2. How do you love America when you openly hate its government?

The conservative motto is “government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem”. So conservatives openly root for the US government to shutdown. Conservatives also routinely try to defund government agencies, and campaign on promises to get rid of government agencies. Of course, conservatives also don't seem to care about the Americans who are affected by those shutdowns, especially the American workers & their families who are affected by the furloughs. So how can you love America when you want to get rid of our government & system of laws?


3. How do you love America when you work to destroy its land?

I'm an environmentalist. I want limits on how much corporations can pollute America's waters, air, and land. Conservatives fight against this, appearing to want corporations to be able to pollute our waters, air, and land as much as they want. How is this love for our lands?

One of my side hobbies when traveling is to visit any national parks & other natural landmarks I can. I absolutely love America's landscape & parks & want them preserved so future generations can enjoy them too. Conservatives, on the other hand, constantly push to allow drilling & mining in these national parks. Do conservatives not know that drilling & strip-mining will completely destroy those American ecosystems? Or do they simply not care?

4. How do you love America when you openly support 2 of America's biggest historical enemies & threaten to leave America when you don't get your way?

There are many neo-Nazi groups and other white supremacist groups in America, like the Aryan Nation. Some of these groups openly display Nazi symbols and paraphernalia, and most openly hate the Americans I mentioned in #1 (along with American Jews and American communists & socialists). The website Stormfront is a good place to see what I'm talking about. So why don't conservatives speak out against or fight against these groups? I don't think it's a coincidence that members of these groups are right wing & tend to vote Republican or Libertarian.

Many conservatives even proudly wave the Confederate flag. The Confederate States of America was a hostile nation that waged war with the United States of America in a war that left 600,000 Americans dead. Yet conservatives openly display the Confederate flag as a rallying symbol. Conservatives also regularly threaten to secede from America when things don't go their way. How is that supposed to be patriotism or loyalty to America?

NOTE: I'll admit from the start that I might ignore responses if they don't address the 4 points I've outlined. Changing the subject won't invalidate the points I've made. And pointing out that “blah blah also does blah” doesn't nullify the fact that I'm asking conservatives about conservative behavior. I seriously want to know why so many conservatives act uber-patriotic but seem to hate our land, laws, and citizens? And why conservatives say they're patriots but have no problem with other conservatives waving the Confederate & Nazi flags?




posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

A regressive maintans the attitude that one should (being a good christiam) "kill them all (any one thinks differently) and let god sort them out".

Does anyone else see the problem with that?


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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Yay, more division!
The ping-pong match that never ends!

I'm excited, let's watch.





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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

I'm a conservative American and I don't hate nearly as much as you do.

I agree with most of the points you made. But a blanket hate filled statement like yours shows who the haters truly are.


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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Conservatives don't hate America anymore than liberals do.

The perspective is limited to what side of the aisle you're on.

And yes, that covers all four of your points.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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Oh boy, this is going to quite the thread to monitor.

I must say out of fairness the first point is rather generalized.

I wouldn't say all of them hate the minorities.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I'm a conservative American and I don't hate nearly as much as you do.

I agree with most of the points you made. But a blanket hate filled statement like yours shows who the haters truly are.


I started by saying this:


I'm convinced that most conservatives actually hate America.


I didn't once say I hate conservatives or anyone else. So what are you talking about? Like I also stated, I want to see how conservatives refute the points I mentioned because it seems like most conservatives actually hate America. Hence the 4 points I brought up.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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It's not easy to address Red Herrings.

Liberal failures are easier to see.



[ Google: "" liberal failures list "" ]

A crisis is a terrible thing to waste !!




posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
Oh boy, this is going to quite the thread to monitor.

I must say out of fairness the first point is rather generalized.

I wouldn't say all of them hate the minorities.


No offense, but I didn't say "all" in #1 about minorities. I said "many", which doesn't even mean 50%. I think #4's linkage between neo-Nazis, the Aryan Nation, and #1's statement that "many conservatives blah blah" is valid.
edit on 4-4-2015 by enlightenedservant because: added clarification b/c i'm silly like that


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant


I'm convinced that most conservatives actually hate America.


You made a blanket statement and applied it to most conservatives. Which is neither factually or statistically correct.

You repeatedly use the word hate among other adjectives to describe your opinion of conservative views. Actually your post read a lot like a poison pen letter. While you did not specifically say you hated conservatives your statement more than implied that.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: enlightenedservant


I'm convinced that most conservatives actually hate America.


You made a blanket statement and applied it to most conservatives. Which is neither factually or statistically correct.

You repeatedly use the word hate among other adjectives to describe your opinion of conservative views. Actually your post read a lot like a poison pen letter. While you did not specifically say you hated conservatives your statement more than implied that.


And yet you're refusing to refute the 4 points I mentioned. Conservatives routinely fight against the groups mentioned in #1. Conservatives proudly do what I said in #2. Conservatives are the ones fighting against environmental protections like I said in #3. And many conservatives proudly wave the flag of a hostile nation (the CSA), have neo-Nazi & Aryan Nation groups as their supporters, and threaten to secede when they don't get their way. How is any of that stuff love for America or patriotism?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Okay I'll repeat this one last time that I'm gone.

I told you I agreed with all your positions on the particulars of the four points and I'm a conservative. So apparently your blanket statement is wrong.
edit on 4-4-2015 by Greathouse because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

LOL wow.

I typed it in and google gave me the "Did you mean Conservative failures?"



Really though the point is it is easy to find an article on both, not sure what your point is.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Okay I'll repeat this one last time that I'm gone.

I told you I agreed with all your positions on the particulars of the four points and I'm a conservative. So apparently your blanket statement is wrong.


Thanks. I starred your post because you actually addressed the points.

However, my thread title says "Do most conservatives actually hate America? I'm convinced they do". I never said that all conservatives do, which is something I know from my conservative neighbors & coworkers. But I am convinced that some do in some ways while most do in other ways. The 4 points I mentioned are the reasons I came to that conclusion.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: enlightenedservant

You repeatedly use the word hate among other adjectives to describe your opinion of conservative views. Actually your post read a lot like a poison pen letter. While you did not specifically say you hated conservatives your statement more than implied that.


While it may be an accurate assesment of this single thread; I have found that the word 'hate' comes out of the mouths of regressives more often then progressive. In fact, I believe the newly coined noun 'hater' originated with regressive sources.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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I don't know nor care if they hate American or not, but they obviously hate the Constitution.

The last time the republicans controlled both congress and the white house, they didn't trust or believe in our system of law so they gave us Gitmo. We have held people for over a decade for crimes yet they haven't had a trial.

The smaller government crowd the last time they had control of both congress and the white house created the department of homeland security growing the government and its power like no other government in modern history.

The democrats are no better, when they had the power to reverse these policies they choose not too. Obama kept catering to republicans extending there tax cuts and not going after the former administration for war crimes and extending the patriot act.

Both the dem and rep serve there political party base and not the constitution. They serve there lobby groups that help then win elections. The reps do see hell bent on limiting the rights of minorities in regards to human civil rights while the dems seem to want to limit the size of soda you can purchase.

Many christian republicans have demanded that America should be more of a theocratic government, I guess that explains why they are making religious freedom acts all over the country. I find this amazing as they usually make laws based on a need or at least a reason but why do these religious acts today? I see no stories of the religious being attacked other than them losing court cases violating others rights. The republicans in government today are fighting for the right of Christians to discriminate against the smallest of minorities, no jobs bill, no infrastructure bill, nothing that would improve our standing as a country. These pro constitution republicans might want to read the constitution and understand the the right to live liberty and the pursuit of happiness isn't dependent on a persons believe in a certain religion.

Karl Roves tactic of putting anti gay marriage on the ballot in 11 key states in GWB re election campaign 2004 was a good tactic for him to ensure George won re election but I don't think they were prepared for the back lash that lead to Obama being elected, both democrats winning congress in 2006 and Obama winning in 2008 and I think they have ruined any chance of them winning in 2016 because of this stupid religious freedom acts.

The baby boomers are becoming less and less relevant every election year as there number decline. They are the last group still alive with the old school attitude that the government is trustworthy,



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: enlightenedservant

You repeatedly use the word hate among other adjectives to describe your opinion of conservative views. Actually your post read a lot like a poison pen letter. While you did not specifically say you hated conservatives your statement more than implied that.


While it may be an accurate assesment of this single thread; I have found that the word 'hate' comes out of the mouths of regressives more often then progressive. In fact, I believe the newly coined noun 'hater' originated with regressive sources.


What irks me is many conservatives argue that the new deal with Iran is similar to the appeasement deal made to Hitler. But actual neo-Nazis are right wing and are conservatives! Why does nobody ever mention this? It's like it's taboo to point out the obvious elephant in the room.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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The opposite of love is not hate; it is selfishness.

And it's not just conservatives. Politicians (and most citizens,for that matter) are just shortsighted, self-centered brutes who are incapable of thinking about anything but their own immediate gratification.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Many conservatives openly hate African Americans, Hispanic Americans, lesbian/gay/bisexual/transsexual Americans, Muslim Americans, liberal & progressive Americans, American immigrants, American pacifists (anti-war activists), and atheist Americans.


It wasn't all that long ago that an American president said
"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."


The conservative motto is “government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem”. So conservatives openly root for the US government to shutdown. Conservatives also routinely try to defund government agencies, and campaign on promises to get rid of government agencies. Of course, conservatives also don't seem to care about the Americans who are affected by those shutdowns, especially the American workers & their families who are affected by the furloughs. So how can you love America when you want to get rid of our government & system of laws?


The paradox is amazing, because these are often the same people who want to export our system of government to other nations? If our system of government sucks so much why did we try to hard to give it to Iraq?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: incoserv
The opposite of love is not hate; it is selfishness.

And it's not just conservatives. Politicians (and most citizens,for that matter) are just shortsighted, self-centered brutes who are incapable of thinking about anything but their own immediate gratification.


I'd argue that the opposite of love and hate is apathy, since love & hate are both extreme emotional bonds, while apathy has no bonds whatsoever. But you could be right as well.

This is actually a bit depressing. There's a hot thread called "What's wrong with liberals?" where many people are proving my points. But they're avoiding the 4 points I mention like the plague. I was actually hoping I was wrong but they're not refuting anything I've said. Even the ones that drop by this thread aren't refuting them, so it's like their silence speaks volumes.



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