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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
America's neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation are right wing groups. So how do you feel about them in conservative circles? Do you accept them as fellow conservatives or do you shun them? This is a serious question, btw


No, no it is not a serious question. Look, the POTUS was close personal friends with members of the defunct terrorist group Weather Underground. I've never heard him openly decry Bill Ayers or the rest of the inner circle of Chicago WU alumni. Again, as I threw at you in another thread where you got stuck in this groove: Robert Byrd.

Assholes, even really, really violent and detestable assholes are prolific in all political circles. We don't need to go on witch hunts for Aryans at the voting polls because chances are the few that vote are casting their votes for guys like David Duke and John Taylor Bowles, not whoever the GOP is running out on election day. There's nothing to shun because they aren't members of the GOP/Conservatives/Libertarian side of politics.


And like I told you in the other thread, I'm not a Democrat so why would I defend Byrd? I'll never acknowledge the Klan. And what about Pres Obama? Like I said, I'm not a Democrat so why would I defend him? In fact, I specifically said I voted for him in 2008 then he betrayed progressives on every policy we thought he was going to fight for. So what's your point?




posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: STTesc
a reply to: MystikMushroom

White wasn't the word that bothered me. Manage, as if we're some sort of animal, was the word that bothered me. It doesn't matter what color I am, I'm a free human being. I am not a domesticated dog to be managed. And I'll be god damned if I'll be rounded up and thrown in an oven under this "Liberal" Fascism. The United States didn't fight through 2 world wars to have her people adopt the same bull# mentality that we bled and died for. There is no taking "manage white people" out of context. What you said proves the point that Liberalism is dangerous and more so a cult than anything reasonable.


So a department store "manager" is a racist serial killer? Or an assistant "manager" at McDonald's is racist Nazi? Interesting. I didn't know that...

Though if you're going to keep painting "liberals" like that, I have a question for you. America's neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation are right wing groups. So how do you feel about them in conservative circles? Do you accept them as fellow conservatives or do you shun them? This is a serious question, btw


Do you have a problem with the black panthers and La raza being left wing?


I loved the original Black Panthers because they built schools in African American communities (when Integration was failing). They stopped police brutality on citizens in African American communities (today's police brutality is nothing compared to how it was in the 1960's). And they fought for equal civil rights for African Americans, particularly 2nd Amendment gun rights. In fact, Ronald Reagan was the California Governor during that time & he pushed gun control legislation specifically because the California chapters of the Black Panthers marched on the State Capitol (sorry 2nd Amendment activists, the Black Panthers did it earlier :p). Today's "Black Panthers" have nothing to do with that group so I don't acknowledge them.

I have no clue who La Raza is so I have no opinion on them.

I answered you, so now it's your turn. How you do you feel about America's Neo-Nazis & Aryan Nation in conservative circles? Do you accept them as fellow conservatives or do you shun them? And if you don't shun them, why are you so outraged by the mod who said "managing" when actual neo-Nazis are in America right now?


I'm not sure shun is the word to use. The KKK and neo nazis aren't burning crosses or throwing bricks through people's homes like they used to. So no, I don't agree with that aspect of their "cause". I do, however, agree with being proud of one's race, whichever race that may be. And I do honestly believe that white people are being targeted and discriminated against, which is wrong, no matter what color you are.

So the answer is, yes and no. I don't appreciate the hatred spewed from their lips, but at the same time, the white male is becoming the most discriminated against person in the Western world. And there does need to be a voice against that, whoever that may be.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And like I told you in the other thread, I'm not a Democrat so why would I defend Byrd? I'll never acknowledge the Klan. And what about Pres Obama? Like I said, I'm not a Democrat so why would I defend him? In fact, I specifically said I voted for him in 2008 then he betrayed progressives on every policy we thought he was going to fight for. So what's your point?


My point was pretty clear. You're being hypocritical. I just stated these Aryans and Neo-Nazis you're talking about AREN'T GOP MEMBERS. Yet here you are lumping all right-leaning groups under the "Conservative" banner and trying to create controversy. FACT: If you lump all these groups under the "Conservative" banner, then you must accept getting lumped alongside all those Democrats you claim to not support under the banner of "Liberal." That's just fair and, as a progressive, I presume you're all about that fairness, right?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: STTesc
a reply to: MystikMushroom

White wasn't the word that bothered me. Manage, as if we're some sort of animal, was the word that bothered me. It doesn't matter what color I am, I'm a free human being. I am not a domesticated dog to be managed. And I'll be god damned if I'll be rounded up and thrown in an oven under this "Liberal" Fascism. The United States didn't fight through 2 world wars to have her people adopt the same bull# mentality that we bled and died for. There is no taking "manage white people" out of context. What you said proves the point that Liberalism is dangerous and more so a cult than anything reasonable.


So a department store "manager" is a racist serial killer? Or an assistant "manager" at McDonald's is racist Nazi? Interesting. I didn't know that...

Though if you're going to keep painting "liberals" like that, I have a question for you. America's neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation are right wing groups. So how do you feel about them in conservative circles? Do you accept them as fellow conservatives or do you shun them? This is a serious question, btw


Do you have a problem with the black panthers and La raza being left wing?


I loved the original Black Panthers because they built schools in African American communities (when Integration was failing). They stopped police brutality on citizens in African American communities (today's police brutality is nothing compared to how it was in the 1960's). And they fought for equal civil rights for African Americans, particularly 2nd Amendment gun rights. In fact, Ronald Reagan was the California Governor during that time & he pushed gun control legislation specifically because the California chapters of the Black Panthers marched on the State Capitol (sorry 2nd Amendment activists, the Black Panthers did it earlier :p). Today's "Black Panthers" have nothing to do with that group so I don't acknowledge them.

I have no clue who La Raza is so I have no opinion on them.

I answered you, so now it's your turn. How you do you feel about America's Neo-Nazis & Aryan Nation in conservative circles? Do you accept them as fellow conservatives or do you shun them? And if you don't shun them, why are you so outraged by the mod who said "managing" when actual neo-Nazis are in America right now?


I'm not sure shun is the word to use. The KKK and neo nazis aren't burning crosses or throwing bricks through people's homes like they used to. So no, I don't agree with that aspect of their "cause". I do, however, agree with being proud of one's race, whichever race that may be. And I do honestly believe that white people are being targeted and discriminated against, which is wrong, no matter what color you are.

So the answer is, yes and no. I don't appreciate the hatred spewed from their lips, but at the same time, the white male is becoming the most discriminated against person in the Western world. And there does need to be a voice against that, whoever that may be.


I thank you for your honesty. Though I don't understand how you can be so angry at the word "managing" when people who literally support Hitler are in America right now, and clearly aren't liberals or socialists. The people they support committed atrocities against the very white people you say you're standing up for, killing millions of Slavic people, Romani people, Polish people, etc. And I thought it was obvious the Mod wasn't talking about it like that, but we all see different things.

But I am glad you answered. Most people duck that question because of the obvious contradictions I listed.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc
a reply to: Wookiep

It's because, at the end of the day, there is a real hatred towards white people in the world. And that hatred is starting to make it's way into Europe and America.


Really, at the end of the day EVERYBODY can claim to be hated by somebody. This is why the idea of a fully integrated melting pot is unrealistic. We should simply divide the Earth into regions, have a central region for everybody who's fully bought into melting pot theory and little separated enclaves for each other group... We're gonna need a lot of areas now that I think about this. Once we've separated just the straight Christian white people, we're gonna have arguments over denominational Christianity... then we're gonna have to split them up into who has blonde hair and who has red hair... goddamned thin people aren't going to get along well with the overweight folks either, so...

You know what? This isn't going to work, either... not enough land. Everybody is going to have to take one for the team here, STFU, and accept the fact that some people simply don't like them. Deal with it, it happens.
(and this goes for EVERYONE, all races, creeds, orientations, nationalities, everyone. Somebody, somewhere doesn't like you because you're you. Live with it, grow some skin, and move on with life.)



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc
the white male is becoming the most discriminated against person in the Western world. And there does need to be a voice against that, whoever that may be.

A few questions for you:
How many presidents have been Christian, white and male? (there have been few enough presidents to count)
How many members of Congress are Christian, white and male?
How much does the average white and male person make?
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant




hough I don't understand how you can be so angry at the word "managing" when people who literally support Hitler are in America right now, and clearly aren't liberals or socialists


I don't understand how you could be OK with anyone talking about an entire race being "managed" just because you think some are Nazi's. You're displaying the true beginnings of mass racism that your "liberal" party claims to be so much against.. Sigh, you'll never admit this very real fact however, you'd rather just defend your party and look past all of it's vile-ness, rather than be REAL about things.
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: STTesc
a reply to: MystikMushroom

White wasn't the word that bothered me. Manage, as if we're some sort of animal, was the word that bothered me. It doesn't matter what color I am, I'm a free human being. I am not a domesticated dog to be managed. And I'll be god damned if I'll be rounded up and thrown in an oven under this "Liberal" Fascism. The United States didn't fight through 2 world wars to have her people adopt the same bull# mentality that we bled and died for. There is no taking "manage white people" out of context. What you said proves the point that Liberalism is dangerous and more so a cult than anything reasonable.


So a department store "manager" is a racist serial killer? Or an assistant "manager" at McDonald's is racist Nazi? Interesting. I didn't know that...

Though if you're going to keep painting "liberals" like that, I have a question for you. America's neo-Nazis and Aryan Nation are right wing groups. So how do you feel about them in conservative circles? Do you accept them as fellow conservatives or do you shun them? This is a serious question, btw


Do you have a problem with the black panthers and La raza being left wing?


I loved the original Black Panthers because they built schools in African American communities (when Integration was failing). They stopped police brutality on citizens in African American communities (today's police brutality is nothing compared to how it was in the 1960's). And they fought for equal civil rights for African Americans, particularly 2nd Amendment gun rights. In fact, Ronald Reagan was the California Governor during that time & he pushed gun control legislation specifically because the California chapters of the Black Panthers marched on the State Capitol (sorry 2nd Amendment activists, the Black Panthers did it earlier :p). Today's "Black Panthers" have nothing to do with that group so I don't acknowledge them.

I have no clue who La Raza is so I have no opinion on them.

I answered you, so now it's your turn. How you do you feel about America's Neo-Nazis & Aryan Nation in conservative circles? Do you accept them as fellow conservatives or do you shun them? And if you don't shun them, why are you so outraged by the mod who said "managing" when actual neo-Nazis are in America right now?


I'm not sure shun is the word to use. The KKK and neo nazis aren't burning crosses or throwing bricks through people's homes like they used to. So no, I don't agree with that aspect of their "cause". I do, however, agree with being proud of one's race, whichever race that may be. And I do honestly believe that white people are being targeted and discriminated against, which is wrong, no matter what color you are.

So the answer is, yes and no. I don't appreciate the hatred spewed from their lips, but at the same time, the white male is becoming the most discriminated against person in the Western world. And there does need to be a voice against that, whoever that may be.


I thank you for your honesty. Though I don't understand how you can be so angry at the word "managing" when people who literally support Hitler are in America right now, and clearly aren't liberals or socialists. The people they support committed atrocities against the very white people you say you're standing up for, killing millions of Slavic people, Romani people, Polish people, etc. And I thought it was obvious the Mod wasn't talking about it like that, but we all see different things.

But I am glad you answered. Most people duck that question because of the obvious contradictions I listed.


Hitler is an interesting topic for another thread. Let's just say... history isn't always as written, even if the man became a monster. But I think a lot of the "aryan nation" and neo-nazis see what's going on around them and cling to whatever idea they can to become that change in the world. It doesn't mean it's the right choice, it's one mostly made out of ignorance, but the same can be said about the new black panthers or la raza.

There's a fine line between being proud of your people and being a racist dip#. For many it's hard to walk that line. There answer though, as you pointed out, is being completely honest about how you feel about the subject. The truth comes out regardless.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:50 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: STTesc
the white male is becoming the most discriminated against person in the Western world. And there does need to be a voice against that, whoever that may be.

A few questions for you:
How many presidents have been Christian, white and male? (there have been few enough presidents to count)
How many members of Congress are Christian, white and male?
How much does the average white and male person make?


How is any of that relevant? Who invented electricity? Who invented peanut butter? Who committed mass genocide? Who created beautiful music? We have a black man in the highest office in our Government, does that mean nothing? Again, you can sit here and pull cards until you can scream UNO, none of it is relevant. All you're doing is further dividing people.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:51 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And like I told you in the other thread, I'm not a Democrat so why would I defend Byrd? I'll never acknowledge the Klan. And what about Pres Obama? Like I said, I'm not a Democrat so why would I defend him? In fact, I specifically said I voted for him in 2008 then he betrayed progressives on every policy we thought he was going to fight for. So what's your point?


My point was pretty clear. You're being hypocritical. I just stated these Aryans and Neo-Nazis you're talking about AREN'T GOP MEMBERS. Yet here you are lumping all right-leaning groups under the "Conservative" banner and trying to create controversy. FACT: If you lump all these groups under the "Conservative" banner, then you must accept getting lumped alongside all those Democrats you claim to not support under the banner of "Liberal." That's just fair and, as a progressive, I presume you're all about that fairness, right?


That's where you're wrong though. They are conservatives. I didn't say all conservatives are them. But they are conservatives. And it's funny you keep mentioning Byrd because he was a conservative KKK member. Then the Democratic & Republican parties switched positions over the Civil Rights Movement. Southern Democrats supported the Civil Rights movement while southern Republicans didn't. So they switched sides. Strom Thurmond is one of the most famous Democrats who switched to Republican over the issue. Byrd chose not to switch, still filibustered the Civil Rights Act, and eventually started supporting civil rights. So my point still stands. (eww can't believe I had to explain byrd...)

However, even after I linked the "Southern Strategy" and Lee Atwater's speech on it, you've consistently chosen to ignore everything else. Though that has nothing to do with this thread. So if you'd like to finally stop ducking the questions I asked you, I'll be happy to read them in the appropriate thread.

To stay on topic: Nothing's wrong with liberals. We're people with a ridiculous amount of opinions so yeah...



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:57 PM
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originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: enlightenedservant




hough I don't understand how you can be so angry at the word "managing" when people who literally support Hitler are in America right now, and clearly aren't liberals or socialists


I don't understand how you could be OK with anyone talking about an entire race being "managed" just because you think some are Nazi's. You're displaying the true beginnings of mass racism that your "liberal" party claims to be so much against.. Sigh, you'll never admit this very real fact however, you'd rather just defend your party and look past all of it's vile-ness, rather than be REAL about things.


As I already mentioned (and other posters mentioned as well), "manage" doesn't mean kill, hurt, oppress, etc. Otherwise a production "manager" would be a murderer, an assistant "manager" at McDonalds would be one, etc. Online dictionaries exist for a reason.

And mass racism? How? The person I responded to was more outraged than you seem to be by the term "managing white people" and for a while was throwing out references to Jews being "managed" in gas chambers. That's why I brought up the Neo-Nazis & Aryan Nation, because they actually follow the guy who put those Jews in gas chambers (as well as massacred millions of white Eastern Europeans). So I was just pointing out the contradiction of hating the term "managing white people" while not shunning the people who actually "slaughtered white people".

So what are you talking about?



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Let me answer your question as to "what I am talking about" with a question.

Would you be cool if I said we needed to "manage" black people?



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: STTesc
How is any of that relevant? Who invented electricity? Who invented peanut butter? Who committed mass genocide? Who created beautiful music? We have a black man in the highest office in our Government, does that mean nothing? Again, you can sit here and pull cards until you can scream UNO, none of it is relevant. All you're doing is further dividing people.

You claimed that white Christian men are being/becoming discriminated against the most, correct?

If they were being discriminated against, then they would not be present in positions of government nor enjoy earnings, don't you think?

I'm merely curious as to your basis for this assertion, as I find little proof of it in reality:
It's 2015 and Congress Is Almost Entirely Made Up of White Christian Men
The Religious Affiliations of U.S. Presidents
Median usual weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers by age, race, Hispanic or Latino ethnicity, and sex, fourth quarter 2014 averages, not seasonally adjusted
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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

I don't know exactly what is meant by "Manage White People" but it just doesn't sound good at all even if it isn't meant to be bad.

No "People" need to be "Managed". Ever. Certain people as in individuals or groups like "criminals" is one thing, but any other form of "People need to be Managed" just don't sound good at all.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: mOjOm

Thank you.


ETA - It's pretty much that simple.
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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:15 AM
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originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Let me answer your question as to "what I am talking about" with a question.

Would you be cool if I said we needed to "manage" black people?


My boss manages black people every shift.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:18 AM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: STTesc
How is any of that relevant? Who invented electricity? Who invented peanut butter? Who committed mass genocide? Who created beautiful music? We have a black man in the highest office in our Government, does that mean nothing? Again, you can sit here and pull cards until you can scream UNO, none of it is relevant. All you're doing is further dividing people.

You claimed that white Christian men are being/becoming discriminated against the most, correct?

If they were being discriminated against, then they would not be present in positions of government nor enjoy earnings, don't you think?

I'm merely curious as to your basis for this assertion, as I find little proof of it in reality.


Let's start with a little history by a man I dearly respect.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Now, do you think his dream involved the contradiction that is affirmative action? When, instead of being denied employment based on one's skin color, they're given employment or entry based on it? You see, the answer to discrimination is to, apparently, discriminate against the discriminator thus adding more discrimination. In reality, all you did was shift the focus to a different race. But smarter people than I understand this, that's why only white people are capable of being racist.

You see, I can be called a cracker, honkey, and white boy until the cows come home, that's not racist. The new black panther party can sit there in the streets and call for the execution of white babies. That's not a hate crime. But the second a police officer does his job and puts down an animal, it's hands up across the entire nation.

My stance is a defensive one. Any animosity I hold is based on and fueled by rocks that have already been thrown. I wasn't born racist, I don't consider myself racist. But the idea of race was forced on me by those ignorant enough to preach tolerance while being intolerant themselves. And the more the evil white man needs to sit back and watch our country being flooded by illegals, the more white people are poked and prodded with the racist stick, all in the name of tolerance, the more the animosity builds.

But again, nobody is calling China racist for being a predominantly Asian nation. It's only the evil white man that's racist and must be reeducated to serve this bull# idea of "multi-culturalism".



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I don't know exactly what is meant by "Manage White People" but it just doesn't sound good at all even if it isn't meant to be bad.

No "People" need to be "Managed". Ever. Certain people as in individuals or groups like "criminals" is one thing, but any other form of "People need to be Managed" just don't sound good at all.


I think it's the connotation. Maybe people take it differently in different areas, because I didn't see a problem with it. All I thought was "manage white people like in Europe? Well, white people run Europe so what do you mean?" I don't know if there's a single non-white prime Minister, Chancellor, or President in Europe. Or major banker, or powerbroker in the European Union, etc.

But to each their own, I guess.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Let me answer your question as to "what I am talking about" with a question.

Would you be cool if I said we needed to "manage" black people?


My boss manages black people every shift.


Oh yeah? Does your boss talk about managing those black people, as opposed to the white people, or asian people etc? I totally doubt it! Oh well, let's take it to the next level, not on an "employee/management" level. What if entire nations publicly talked about "managing" entire races as ATS member/MOD Mysticmushroom stated, that all of Europe is currently apparently doing?

You know exactly what my point is, I'm confident of that. However, you're making yourself just another example of a disingenuous liberal trying to defend the clear hypocrisy many (not all) in the democratic party are displaying. Drop the politics and just be a real person.

Disclaimer, since I'm sure someone will whine - Republicans can be, and are in many cases just as disingenuous, for the sake of the "party" k? K.

Sorry for all the edits, on my phone and it's not cooperating.

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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Let me answer your question as to "what I am talking about" with a question.

Would you be cool if I said we needed to "manage" black people?


My boss manages black people every shift.


Oh yeah? Does your boss talk about managing those black people, as opposed to the white people, or asian people etc? Now next take it to the next level, not on an "employee/management" level. What if entire nations publicly talked about "managing" entire races as ATS member/MOD Mysticmushroom stated, that all of Europe is currently apparently doing?

You know exactly what my point is, I'm confident of that. However, you're making yourself just another example of a disingenuous liberal trying to defend the clear hypocrisy many (not all) if the democratic party. Drop the politics and just be a real person.

Disclaimer since I'm sure someone will whine - Republicans can be, and are in many cases just as disingenuous, for the sake of the "party" k? K.


Oh stop. This is pathetic. First, I didn't make the original statement so why are you aiming at me?

Second, other posters made their points on both sides. I agreed with some points & said what I thought.

Third, I spoke exactly how I would regardless of the "politics" or "real person" talk. As I and the original poster said, they didn't mean it the way some people were taking it. I even just explained above how I took it. So what's your point?

Also, I'm not a Democrat (which I've stated several times now). So what's your point with that either?



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