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What's wrong with Liberals?

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: here4this

I know you're not talking to me per se, but I wonder if you'd indulge a question.

If the rhetoric and the speech patterns and even specific repeated words are the same in someone's carefully researched and well-thought-out personal opinion as they are in the the very obviously standardized language, speech patterns and even specific repeated words of some other authority (like say Fox News/Rush/Rightstream Blogsphere), what happens when we even lightly apply Occam's Razor to the matter?




posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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Are we really talking about the civil war now? The same civil war that the British played both sides in? The same civil war where a military genius marched his troops uphill 3 times and lost the war? The same civil war that was more about states rights than absolving slavery? You're really going to sit here and attempt to defend Abraham Lincoln by claiming that all the "racists" joined the Republican party...

I have no words for how this thread has been twisted and manipulated into serving as a tool for naming anyone who dare questions the Liberal logic as racist. It's not about debating facts, it's about using cover stories to make grand claims while at the same time refusing to admit to the hypocrisy within. And when someone posts something even semi-intelligent you smother their statements witch "gotcha" moments and call them racist.

You've done nothing but prove the points outlined in the original post. The same points that were brought up 27 pages ago and have yet to be responded to. Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Regressive! Insult after insult while refusing to answer simple, basic questions. 27 pages of personal attacks, including mentioning Alex Jones because there's a link in my signature. ANYTHING to create straw men and move the discussion away from points being made. And as much as the thread has been derailed, I'm the only one being warned by moderators.

This is absolutely and disgustingly hilarious.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: undo

So, I'm guessing for the example of communism you're using Soviet Russia and for fascism Nazi Germany?

Who were the "royals" that were claiming authority over those two states?

How are you connecting Nietzsche's philosophy to a generic "science" justification for rule?

As atheism means "no god (even to the Soviets)," how does that serve as the justification for whomever the "royal" was ruling the Soviets? (And who was that?)

When you say in the beginning of the USA "both parties" which parties are you referring to? The Federalists? The Democratic-Republicans? The Whigs? The Republicans (1850s)?

.... and of course the remnant of what you're claiming is that the social safety net is nothing more than a new type of slavery for minorities. I'm familiar with that new saw of the Right ... and it's utter horsepucks. But off topic here.

And I still don't get what you mean by "race war." What race war?



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

wall street (globalists, comprised of many different secret members) funded the bolshevik revolution
www.youtube.com...

wall street funded the nazis
www.youtube.com...

in both cases, the people were made into slaves for the state. in both cases, royals were backing the nazis and the communists, and both were making money hand over fist while using their people as cannon fodder. and the elite of the usa, were in on it, the whole time. it also commenced by killing the educated and skilled members of their societies. like what harm did a factory worker pose for the bolsheviks ? or doctors ?

this is how it works. anybody that could rock the boat, even if only slightly, was eradicated, this included people who helped them get to that position. as a white person in the usa, you are a potential boat rocker, a wrench in the cog of global slavery. once they finally spring the trap, any who aren't killed right away, will be killed shortly thereafter. see there's only room at the top for a handful of white folks and you and i, are not invited to the festivities.

it's the same thing pol pot did. killed anyone with an education, cause the educated can screw the whole thing up. as a result, they only invite the poor, and in the case of the usa, only non white poor are invited.

the slavers have a long memory for vendetta. we american whities, f'ed up their slave trade.

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: STTesc

Undo brought up slavery and the civil war and so forth, you'll have to take that one up with them.

Aside from that bit, shall I take this last as your attempt to "fairly debate something"?

You're right ... one of us has some kind of issue.

Who mentioned Abraham Lincoln and who is defending him?

Your next two paragraphs can be summarized as:

1. More buzzwords making the claim that Liberals are the source of all problems.
2. Assertion that you've been right all along with no evidence other than your restatement of your restatement of your own belief.

What is it you were wanting to debate with me again? You were making post after post that I wouldn't debate with you, that I was running away, trying to control your life, etc. etc. Now you have your chance, and all you do is regurgitate what you've said page after page here.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: undo

As honestly and as kindly as I can say it, I have no ability and interest in pursuing these theories of yours with you.

There is too much divergence from what I know to be true.

No hard feelings I hope; maybe STTesc will go over it with you ... they seem to be upset about Abraham Lincoln or something.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: undo

As honestly and as kindly as I can say it, I have no ability and interest in pursuing these theories of yours with you.

There is too much divergence from what I know to be true.

No hard feelings I hope; maybe STTesc will go over it with you ... they seem to be upset about Abraham Lincoln or something.


i'm just telling you, it isn't as black and white as you think. both parties are up to no good, at the very top and i do believe it's because the original democrats, the ones we all know today as being slave masters, are still very much in control of the bottom line, and have controlled opposition in the republican party, helping to advance their final goal. and these same, managed to get in their positions because of two things - 1) the slave trader's money (which includes the royals of the planet, not just european royals) and 2) the head of the european royals, namely the vatican.

royal slave owners didn't go away, they just repackaged themselves.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: undo

What's not as black and white as I think? Liberalism?

I have said over and over that I stand with President Washington on political parties; they are corrupt and ineffectual. That said, I register as a Democrat because of the Republican's stance on civil rights and their glorification of superstition over scientific understanding.

As to the rest of it, thank you for trying to help me understand where you are coming from. Best.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: undo

I'm with Gryphon in backing away from this. Your statements are so far in variance to the facts that I am familiar with that the best thing I can do is not comment.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Due to that would be an assumption based on loose facts (and possible coincidence). Did I not make an assumption in the same light in my post as well that the term Faux news was probably on the way ?(that was on purpose in light of what was posted) And no , I never aim a post at any poster here. It is possible that you could read , watch , listen to the news and perform research on the topics you could come up with the same ideals that poster had ? Absolutely. What was stated could come from unbiased sources.(not many left , I agree). Just the pure news. I always urge anyone to draw their own conclusions , not just repeat what others have said which all too often happens. This is generally due to the person not being well informed on the issue and following the "party lines" or what so and so said . One of my favorite sayings is "question everything" . Also , it is getting sad in politics that everyone attacks the person and not the politics.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: undo

What's not as black and white as I think? Liberalism?

I have said over and over that I stand with President Washington on political parties; they are corrupt and ineffectual. That said, I register as a Democrat because of the Republican's stance on civil rights and their glorification of superstition over scientific understanding.

As to the rest of it, thank you for trying to help me understand where you are coming from. Best.


it was superstition, as you put it, that convinced mannnny republican white people that man should not be a slave. that we were supposed to help each other, not enslave each other. what's the difference between enslavement and help? one is of their own free will, the other is forced, by law. it's good that we have laws protecting races, handicapped, genders and sexual identity, that is good. but is it good that we have laws that allow private banks from all over the world, to force us to pay them taxes in the guise of helping the poor, which barely makes a dent in it because it is squandered instead on global domination? clearly the republicans of the civil war era are not the ones who poisioned the well, where blacks were convinced at the grass roots level, that any attempt to rise above their misery and poverty, was somehow making them slaves to the white man, all over again. how did anyone manage to convince them of that? and WHO did it? and WHO is still doing it?
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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If you had asked confederate during the Civil War what he was fighting for, he certainly wouldn't have said 'states rights.' States rights to do what, exactly? To keep and own human beings as chattel. It was big business, each adult slave cost thousands, before even adjusting for inflation. The Southern newspapers that published editorials supporting the war made no bones about it, they aimed to keep their slaves and maintain their white supremacist bubble. Stop sanitizing the past. Stop lying.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: Monger
a reply to: STTesc

If you had asked confederate during the Civil War what he was fighting for, he certainly wouldn't have said 'states rights.' States rights to do what, exactly? To keep and own human beings as chattel. It was big business, each adult slave cost thousands, before even adjusting for inflation. The Southern newspapers that published editorials supporting the war made no bones about it, they aimed to keep their slaves and maintain their white supremacist bubble. Stop sanitizing the past. Stop lying.


each modern slave costs a hundred thousand or so. i don't think they adjusted for inflation.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: here4this

I enjoy Aljazeera America. That's about the most "direct, fact-based news" I've found.

Of course, now we can add "secret Muslim" to my descriptor list along with atheist/fascist/communist/fatalist/philatelist.

Best,



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

don't feel bad. as a christian white, i'm a slave owning, spawn of satan, greedy, conservative, fascist, bigoted asshole, and male, misogynist, capitalist money loving whore.

of course, some of that is correct. i am a christian white. i'm not a slave owner and never have been. as far as i know, satan wasn't my dad, now or ever. i'm not greedy, but i am an extremely moderate conservative, that leans socially towards the liberal idea of helping the poor (although i contend we don't help them enough and waste tons of taxes on everything but helping the poor) and equal rights. i'm not a misogynist, nor am i a male, and i don't think i'm a bigot. i am capitalistic to the extent that i believe we should be able to achieve the american dream, which has since been punched in the nose and told to sit in the corner (trade deficit is a huge ball and chain, of epic proportions). and i most certainly am not a whore.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: undo

I've never said nor implied any of that about you as a "Christian white" or any other "Christian white."

But I surely can sympathize with being mislabeled, called names, attacked for no reason, etc.

I mean, just here I've been called a scumbag, fascist-communist-socialist-elitist-totalitarian-control-freeking-whatever.

I'm an American, Constitution-loving, white, gay, male, Democrat, Taurus, Type 0, and a few more.

So ... don't feel rained on. What others say does not define us.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

thanks



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

What you said right there is ignorant on all levels, from 1 to 5. Whatever you do, for the love of god, don't look at China when you toss in Asia! Not to mention, there are quite a few Middle Eastern and African countries that would give you a verbal thrashing. Your prejudices against the rest of the world shows why America isn't as highly regarded as it once was.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: undo

Where did this peculiar sense of victimization that's spreading among some Christians these days come from? I'm white too. We're not special, nor do you have to be a bigot if you don't want to be. I don't know enough about you to say that you are, but the fact that you're a white Christian doesn't make you an instabigot. Has nobody explained this to you yet? You have the right-wing media constantly driving into your head how much of a victim you are, as a (lol) 'marginalized' white Christian man and you start to believe. It's a false narrative.

If you're an American Christian who is truly oppressed, start a GoFundMe and the idiots will be lining up to give you their money.
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