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What's wrong with Liberals?

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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

The strongest police forces are in Democrat cities and counties.





posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

How is their strength defined?



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

Do yourself a favor. Stop labeling yourself and other people. Believe it or not, its possible to have both liberal and conservative views. The whole idea of labeling people is meant to divide us. TPTB want to divide the populace along the lines of race, class, and religion. The idea is that if we are at each others throats, we will NEVER be able to unite and reach a consensus on where our problems originate from. I have liberal views on some things and conservative views on others, and I don't give a DAMN whether people like my views or not, because its FREE country, or at least it used to be. I for one don't want a government that is too far to the right or the left. Everyone has a right to be heard, and all ideas can have merit. When we have and do get into trouble is when one ideology starts to think they are the only one with all the answers and everyone else is off and the problem. We need to shut our big mouths and learn to be good listeners again, because it seems these days that very few people can do that anymore.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

The strongest police forces are in Democrat cities and counties.



Based on what?

Strongest how?

How many Democrats make it a "Democrat" city or county?

Are you for strong militarized police forces like we saw in Ferguson?

Are you always on the side of the police and law when it's local but against it when it's national?

Or are you for individual freedom? Or for laws controlling your every move?



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: openminded2011

But look at what has happened in this thread so far...

We've had several folks come in who honestly and openly tried to share their liberal views.

What happened?

They were ignored, ridiculed and lied about to their face. They were told that they are totalitarians and control freaks, that they are anti-American, anti-free markets, and I think the word "scumbags" was used more than once.

There was ZERO attempt to meet in any reasonable kind of middle even to have a discussion.

My conclusion: in this thread at least, it is not the liberals who are the extremists who want to control others.
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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc
That Detroit is the utopia.--It's not and shouldn't be.
Detroit is what Liberalism produces though. That's the reality.


That's not true. Detroit is what corruption produces. Denmark, Sweden, Iceland... Those countries are truly liberal and socialist and they do just fine being liberal socialists. Detroit is an example of how institutionalized corruption can affect a city. Also having ALL your industry devoted to a single item of manufacture is a bad idea.

San Francisco, Boston, Seattle... Those are liberal cities that are very successful. Looking at WHY Detroit is declining is more important than labeling it liberal or conservative and leaving it at that.

Historically, conservative states are among the poorest and require the most government assistance, which is funny because the politicians representing those states are always harping about getting rid of that same assistance. Yet, those people hampered by those policies vote Republican because they adhere (appear to anyway) to their conservative christian moral values. They don't care if it keeps them poor or uneducated.

I'm more of an agnostic atheist, but when people make laws based on their religious beliefs, then we have a problem. Otherwise, live and let live. The majority of atheists feel the same way, I've found. You've got your radicals who believe that ANY religion is bad, but they aren't any worse than the fundamentalist religious on the fringe of society who think that if you're not living by god's word, you're evil and must be oppressed.

Teaching methods have changed numerous times over the years, and common core is just another change. Most people have a problem with the math portion, because they learned a specific way and if that way was good enough for them, it's good enough for their kids. The problem is that it's NOT good enough for their kids. We dealt with millions being the largest number we'd deal with when I was in school. The old subtraction method was the way I learned and it was adequate for "small" numbers. Now we're dealing with trillions and larger numbers. Old math and new math really isn't suited towards those numbers. Common core is better suited, but focuses more on HOW you get the answer rather than learning an algorithm to get the answer. New math was treated the same way that common core is being treated now, but people (non-experts) are saying that it's a terrible way to learn. I hate to say this, but unless you're a teacher who deals specifically in getting information into new minds, you don't really have any place criticizing common core.

The problem that I can see with conservatives is that they don't want to move forward. What was good in the '50's is good enough now, even though times have changed. Many of them lived in the 50's but many of them are white men, who had a GREAT time in the 50's. If you're a woman or a minority (fast becoming NOT so much a minority), it wasn't such a great time. Again, much like times before the Civil War, if you were a white man, life was pretty good and change was fought with deadly results.

In the end, change MUST happen in order for a culture to survive and progressives are better suited to that goal. America is NOT getting any whiter or any more conservative, as people start to realize that "live and let live" is a good policy as long as it applies to everyone. Conservatives will fight the rising tide and things will move forward without them, but kids are MUCH more liberal now than ever and they will be the future voters, and leaders, of America.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: grahag

Well said! Excellent point about successful politically liberal cities. If you haven't read a lot of this thread though ... be careful about casting those pearls of thoughtful, considered logic before the ... denizens of the mud pit.

Great post though.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: grahag

The government assistance in those "red" states go to mostly Democrat voting areas.

How come the Federal Liberals can't seem to solve that problem?

There must be a plan going amok.




posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: grahag

The government assistance in those "red" states go to mostly Democrat voting areas.

How come the Federal Liberals can't seem to solve that problem?

There must be a plan going amok.



California, Massachusetts and Washington are Red States?

What does "government assistance" have to do with successful city administration as opposed to failure?

Which "Federal Liberals" are you referring to? And what problem?

What kind of plan do you think is going amok? Who's plan is it? What's the intention or agenda of the plan you're talking about?

Inquiring minds, X. We want to know and understand you and what you really mean.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You'll want to keep in mind that government assistance isn't a bad thing when given to the common public. It boosts the economy, even those it's a pretty small expenditure on the government side. Corporations are not so generous with their money. They tend to stockpile, so corporate subsidies should be cut. No one dies when you cut corporate subsidies.

When i researched your claim, I couldn't really verify the veracity because the data is a bit old and breaking down county by county voting is tedious. Although if you want to do it to prove me wrong, please do. You can start at www.nytimes.com... and take into account "Income Support" as the point of contention.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: grahag

this is the problem with cutting into corporate profits:

they are realists. they know it takes money to make money. and alot of it. they will simply pull up roots and move to china, with the rest of the deserters. while that may seem like a good idea on the face of it, i'm unsure if it is or not. i would have to know more. personally, i think all we really need to do is fix the dang trade deficit. we allow other countries to import to us for alot cheaper than we allow our own businesses to export to others. in effect, our businesses are being held hostage and driven either into bankruptcy or desertion.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 11:43 PM
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a reply to: grahag

I know I said I was done here, but I'm genuinely curious. What is it with Liberals and this "moving forward" thing? Do you people honestly believe that your ideas are some sort of social evolution? You do realize that you're pushing a system of old and the only "social evolution" was what built this country... right? I mean, historically, we are a species of tyrants. That's what our Governments have, historically, chosen to represent. The idea of true freedom and liberty, capitalism, is what's new and exciting. Not socialism, communism, fascism, or whatever else you believe to be "progressive".

You do understand how brainwashed you are right? That you honestly believe that some neo communism is "progressive". That discrimination for the sake of fighting discrimination is hypocrisy? That preaching tolerance through intolerance is intolerant...

I keep seeing this that you're right and justified because you know, as fact, that your beliefs are the way forward. That it's somehow more than your political alignment, that it's your job to enlighten the rest of us. All while you the tote the Liberal/Communist talking points while, in the same sentence, criticizing any conservative for using talking points. Your entire political identity is that of hypocrisy, that's why you'd rather pull cards than defend your stance.

It's not your job to enlighten the rest of us on long dead and old views being brought back as new. You are not my mother and I am not a child. You have no right to dictate the direction society moves in no matter how justified you believe yourself to be.

And now I wait to be warned again.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: STTesc

No, it's not my job to enlighten you...quite honestly I'm sure it is a waste of time and effort. But I don't feel like I have to stay silent and not point out that you, and many other conservatives, are on the wrong side of history.

People won't look back at Liberals and think "what were they thinking, wanting everyone to be treated equally"...no, they are going to look back and say "what the hell was wrong with those people that thought it was ok to treat any group differently".

The thing is, we don't even have to argue our points...time will do it for us. But like I said, sense we like to live in a civilized society, we need laws to tell those among us who are not mentally developed enough to do the right thing, that some things are wrong, and hence illegal.

The good thing...time takes care of it...as time goes on, more and more people die who hold these outdated beliefs. Their children will grow up in a world where things are different...and their views will be less harsh and a little more in line with civilization. A few generations will pass and it will just be accepted. Now there will be some back woods rural areas where this will take more than a few generations...but for the most part, time takes care of these issues.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: STTesc

No, it's not my job to enlighten you...quite honestly I'm sure it is a waste of time and effort. But I don't feel like I have to stay silent and not point out that you, and many other conservatives, are on the wrong side of history.

People won't look back at Liberals and think "what were they thinking, wanting everyone to be treated equally"...no, they are going to look back and say "what the hell was wrong with those people that thought it was ok to treat any group differently".

The thing is, we don't even have to argue our points...time will do it for us. But like I said, sense we like to live in a civilized society, we need laws to tell those among us who are not mentally developed enough to do the right thing, that some things are wrong, and hence illegal.

The good thing...time takes care of it...as time goes on, more and more people die who hold these outdated beliefs. Their children will grow up in a world where things are different...and their views will be less harsh and a little more in line with civilization. A few generations will pass and it will just be accepted. Now there will be some back woods rural areas where this will take more than a few generations...but for the most part, time takes care of these issues.


Jesus Christ are you on a high horse or what? We're on the wrong side of history? As in what? Not murdering billions of unborn children? What exactly is new and exciting about Liberalism? You're essentially Communist. You want a national socialist party while we're 17 trillion dollars in debt. Who's going to pay for it? You want to know where real discrimination is happening? The middle east where they behead women that dare speak back to their man. You want to know where real slavery is? Africa, it never changed. Asia where all our jobs went.

Your mind is warped, literally brainwashed. Do you not understand this? That you honestly believe that you're writing history by being against your own country and her laws. I honestly have no other words. The narcissism level has hit 9000 in this thread. You're preaching social engineering at the end of a knife and you honestly believe you're in the right. You're incapable of seeing your own hypocrisy. History isn't going to prove anything but the fact that tyrants like Hitler is the only thing that comes of your twisted ideology. It's more like a cult that I thought...



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: STTesc

You do realize you're raving, right? Is that your last territorial demand?

And while I hesitate to contradict you about National Socialism, because obviously, you know your stuff in that arena, everything you say is full of lies, more lies and dishonesty. At least you've dropped the "I just want to try to understand liberals" garbage.

Oh, and please, drop the attempts to step aside from your stated admiration of der Fuhrer, eh?

Why not go all the way? Since you see us not simply as your political opponents, but as sick, twisted evil individuals who are dangerous to society, why don't you tell us what your final solution is to deal with us? I mean, we're basically, to hear you tell it, trash and garbage ... not even really human beings anymore, right?

You're obviously so mentally and emotionally fragile that anyone doesn't share your extreme politics must be destroyed, right? Why not just proclaim how supreme you and yours are and be done with it, eh?

Drop the coy act.
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: STTesc

You do realize you're raving, right? Is that your last territorial demand?

And while I hesitate to contradict you about National Socialism, because obviously, you know your stuff in that arena, everything you say is full of lies, more lies and dishonesty. At least you've dropped the "I just want to try to understand liberals" garbage.

Oh, and please, drop the attempts to step aside from your stated admiration of der Fuhrer, eh?

Why not go all the way? Since you see us not simply as your political opponents, but as sick, twisted evil individuals who are dangerous to society, why don't you tell us what your final solution is to deal with us? I mean, we're basically, to hear you tell it, trash and garbage ... not even really human beings anymore, right?

You're obviously so mentally and emotionally fragile that anyone doesn't share your extreme politics must be destroyed, right? Why not just proclaim how supreme you and yours are and be done with it, eh?

Drop the coy act.


And we're back to using cards and straw men. America is a nation of laws. The penalty for treason is, well.. I rest my case. And yes, to a point, I view what Liberals are doing to this country as treason. But we can talk about national socialist parties, specifically the one der Fuhrer started and how well that ended in Germany. I don't see the contradiction though, I simply said that history is written by the victors, not that I support Adolf Hitler. But again, we're playing the straw man game because you continue refuse to refute any points I've made.

Do you honestly not understand how this works? Do you not get that blacks are far more likely than white to abort their children? And that planned parenthood "clinics" are primarily established in poor communities? Black communities? That the founder of planned parenthood famously stated that they needed to "kill these black weeds"? That LBJ stated that he'll "have these ******s voting Democrat for the next 200 years"? And who's the party using racial politics to further their agenda.

You don't get it, do you? You stand for everything you stand against. You've been given a platform and a boogeyman. But the average person refuses to admit they've been conned. That they're actually apart of one of the most racist ideologies that we've seen since slavery. I just want that to stew in your mind. Let it all mix together. No. Stop. I know you want to respond, but just let all that set in.

You want to see your racist boogeyman? Look in the mirror. And while you're at it, support more pro-choice movements that end up in poverty stricken black communities. But let's play a game. What happens when a child is born to an interracial couple? Is the child born as dark as parent or is it born lighter skinned? How many generations does it take to dilute darker traits to the point that they simply don't exist? All this while 81% of blacks live in cities and make up far less than the white population.

Who's racist here? Smarter men and women than I have calculated these numbers. But it's not just the black community being targeted.

The total fertility rate in the United States estimated for 2013 is 1.86 children per woman,[6] which is below the replacement fertility rate of approximately 2.1.

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Remind me. Wasn't Abraham Lincoln Republican? Isn't discrimination in the name of ending discrimination still discrimination? I digress, you're not going to address a single point I've made here. You're just going to use the race card because that's all you know how to do.

Yes. Liberalism IS a mental disorder.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:20 AM
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I'm actually glad you're "back" here (as if you ever left) as I'd love to confront you directly over a view choice comments you've made here:


originally posted by: STTesc
Why is that a bad thing? World-wide, "white people" are the minority, yet we're the only race that is "bad" to have a dominated society? Nobody is going to China and telling those people that having an Asian dominated society is bad? So why is it okay to go to European nations and tell them you're racists and bigots for wanting to hold onto their culture? Again, why is being proud to be white a bad thing?



originally posted by: STTesc
That's right, how dare I question Liberals! This is not worthy! I am not worthy! I am a heretic and blasphemer! HEIL HITLER!



originally posted by: STTesc

And no, it wasn't taken out of context. You don't "manage white people" the same as you don't "manage Jews". You know what happens when you "manage Jews"? They end up in ovens.



originally posted by: STTesc
a reply to: Wookiep

It's because, at the end of the day, there is a real hatred towards white people in the world. And that hatred is starting to make it's way into Europe and America. The fact is, the most discriminated against person in the Western world is the Christian, straight white male. There's a reason why "only white people are racist", it's because it's the only race being targeted.



originally posted by: STTesc

I'm not sure shun is the word to use. The KKK and neo nazis aren't burning crosses or throwing bricks through people's homes like they used to. So no, I don't agree with that aspect of their "cause". I do, however, agree with being proud of one's race, whichever race that may be. And I do honestly believe that white people are being targeted and discriminated against, which is wrong, no matter what color you are.

So the answer is, yes and no. I don't appreciate the hatred spewed from their lips, but at the same time, the white male is becoming the most discriminated against person in the Western world. And there does need to be a voice against that, whoever that may be.



originally posted by: STTesc

You see, I can be called a cracker, honkey, and white boy until the cows come home, that's not racist. The new black panther party can sit there in the streets and call for the execution of white babies. That's not a hate crime. But the second a police officer does his job and puts down an animal, it's hands up across the entire nation.

My stance is a defensive one. Any animosity I hold is based on and fueled by rocks that have already been thrown. I wasn't born racist, I don't consider myself racist. But the idea of race was forced on me by those ignorant enough to preach tolerance while being intolerant themselves. And the more the evil white man needs to sit back and watch our country being flooded by illegals, the more white people are poked and prodded with the racist stick, all in the name of tolerance, the more the animosity builds.

But again, nobody is calling China racist for being a predominantly Asian nation. It's only the evil white man that's racist and must be reeducated to serve this bull# idea of "multi-culturalism".



originally posted by: STTesc

Hitler was a dog that got backed into a corner, by his own stupidity (I know, there's that animal reference again). Prior to that though, he did a lot of good for Germany and her people. And as I stated, history isn't always written accurately... mostly because it's written by the victors.

So was his methods early on extreme? Absolutely. Just as extreme as our founding father's committing treason and starting a revolution. But I have a question. Have you read My Struggle? Have you listened to the man speak prior to his spiral into madness? It seems to me that a lot of people like to write off people like Hitler as boogeymen all while praising people like the British royal family that killed and enslaved far more people than Adolf in their own inbred madness.



originally posted by: STTesc

Don't even give me that. You know it's complete BS! Again, it's only racist when white people do it. You want to know what I think? I think "African-Americans" are the most racist people on the planet. Why don't you go to an all black school as a white kid and tell me I'm wrong. I lived through it.



originally posted by: STTesc

You want to know the brutal truth? Without the evil white man you'd either be picking flies off your ass in some jungle or speaking Mandarin. How about you show some #ing respect?



originally posted by: STTesc

You want to see your racist boogeyman? Look in the mirror. And while you're at it, support more pro-choice movements that end up in poverty stricken black communities. But let's play a game. What happens when a child is born to an interracial couple? Is the child born as dark as parent or is it born lighter skinned? How many generations does it take to dilute darker traits to the point that they simply don't exist? All this while 81% of blacks live in cities and make up far less than the white population.

Who's racist here? Smarter men and women than I have calculated these numbers. But it's not just the black community being targeted.

The total fertility rate in the United States estimated for 2013 is 1.86 children per woman,[6] which is below the replacement fertility rate of approximately 2.1.

sources



Those are your words. Yes?

Now, what do you see as the continuing characteristic there, and try to be an objective reader for a second.

What is the narrative you're really pushing here?
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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:26 AM
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lmao you completely ignored the entire post I just made and instead decided to bring up statements I made 2 days ago to take out of context and use as another straw man. Respond to my response, I'm not playing your games.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:28 AM
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For the record, you know what I would call the above wall you posted? Honesty. You never need to worry about what you say when you're always being completely honest.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 01:31 AM
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originally posted by: STTesc
lmao you completely ignored the entire post I just made and instead decided to bring up statements I made 2 days ago to take out of context and use as another straw man. Respond to my response, I'm not playing your games.


Don't like being confronted with the inescapable conclusions of your own words, eh?

Come on, read it.

You've glorified Hitler, told us how the Aryan Nation is just guys standing up for their race, made ridiculous claims about white people being the most discriminated against, made every excuse under the sun for your "white pride" and in your last bit there, you're talking about miscegenation and your concerns about racial purity.

C'mon, get it off your chest.



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