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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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Well I hate to be the one to point this out but, if parents were doing there job with the monitoring of soda, we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic driving up health care costs. That why we need regulation, because people don't take personal responsibility, but still want to whine about the aftermath. Same thing with the squiggley light bulbs, dou you think it's your right to waste energy when there is a more efficient solution. The thing that bugs me about the op here is that it reeks of right wing propaganda screeching about left wing propoganda. If we are to busy arguing amongst our selves we will never b able to create a big enough voice to stop the real enemy. a reply to: STTesc




posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 08:41 AM
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originally posted by: REVELATIONxRaGe
Well I hate to be the one to point this out but, if parents were doing there job with the monitoring of soda, we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic driving up health care costs. That why we need regulation, because people don't take personal responsibility, but still want to whine about the aftermath. Same thing with the squiggley light bulbs, dou you think it's your right to waste energy when there is a more efficient solution. The thing that bugs me about the op here is that it reeks of right wing propaganda screeching about left wing propoganda. If we are to busy arguing amongst our selves we will never b able to create a big enough voice to stop the real enemy. a reply to: STTesc




and who IS the real enemy? as far as obesity, i think it has something to do with the fact that high fructose corn syrup has been added to almost everything we eat.


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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 09:02 AM
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There has never been any ban on "sodas" in New York or anywhere else.

The restriction on the size of containers was struck down last July.

Big Gulp drinkers unite! Your rights have been restored.

I thought the "container size" was a perfect example of trying to take regulation too far.

Aside from that, it's not enforceable. Aside from that, wow, doesn't New York have anything else to worry about.

This silliness is held up as an example of the liberal desire to control everyone, which is utter horsepucks.

It's a prime example of good intentions gone too far ... and the system took care of it (it was rejected by the New York Appeals Court). Link

So ... democratic republicanism, working as intended.

Next?



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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p.s. here's an example. there is high fructose corn syrup in:

fruit sweetened yogurts
100% stone ground wheat breads and raisin breads
cereal bars
frozen pizza
macaroni and cheese
honey roasted nuts
seagram's tonic water
salad dressing
canned fruit
apple sauce
ketchup
jam/jelly/preserves

and of course, all the normal culprits, like soda, candy and anything that would typically contain sugar, since high fructose corn syrup is alot sweeter and therefore cheaper than cane sugar.

just thought i'd add that, even if you stopped drinking soda, you'd still need to read every label to avoid the thing that's making you fat and sick.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 09:28 AM
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Found this yesterday by following another link in another thread (or it may have been this one, if so, sorry to repeat.)

It gives a synopsis of what American liberals and conservatives believe on a list of hotbutton issues.

I generally despise the idea that I need to have a list of "dos and don'ts" provided to me, and that's not the spirit in which I'm providing this ... I'm only doing so as a point of departure if anyone actually wants to pursue a discussion on the issues.

SO ... Conservative v. Liberal Beliefs



Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need. Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.


The ways in which I personally (that is, for me, myself) don't agree with the definition are as follows:

I would not say that the government is supposed to "alleviate social ills" mostly because there's no consensus about what social ills are. Some would see "a woman's right to choose" as a social ill. I also don't believe that government has a "duty" .. because government, like a corporation, is a legal fiction. Government has FUNCTIONS.

I would not say that the government should "make sure that no one is in need." Again, we have no clear definition of what "need" is.

To me, the idea that our government "promotes the general welfare" as directly limited by the Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments remains the most effective general description of what government does, and the structure provided in Articles I-V specifically, as "updated" for changes in the last 225 years is the measure of what the government should doing.

What do you think?
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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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to understand the struggles at the top of the liberal vs conservative structure, you have to peek behind the curtain. for example:

Kennedy was determined to stop the CIA, the cold war with russia, which was wasting millions of tax payers hard earned monies, the war in Vietnam, and the Federal Reserve. He was trying to return the country to a more jeffersonian approach but it was already too late as the jesuit order had implemented a plan to make the usa a fascist country in response to the "communist boogeyman" which was actually funded and run by wall street globalists (which includes the vatican). According to one researcher, cardinal spellman of nyc, had him assassinated.

now just look at the big players in the democratic party. the vatican has a stranglehold on it, and actively seeks to use it to disenfranchise protestant churches under the guise that christians, in general, are assholes. remember now, the vatican can withstand pretty much any onslaught as they robbed the world for nearly 2000 years, so it matters not if the people worship in their cathedrals, as they make massive amounts of money whether people attend or not

on the opposite side of the isle (republicans) the vatican infiltrated protestant churches are influenced to make the most fascist and inane social decisions, imaginable, where other christians who see it/hear it, are dumbfounded and wonder if these people have actually read anything jesus actually said.

this explains the whole problem, generally speaking, and quite succintly because the vatican loves them some totalitarians. watch out for republican dominionism, cause that's just thinly veiled totalitarianism and the head honcho of that order is not jesus.


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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

That article is like a pinball machine on tilt.



The levels of authoritarianism seems to be overlooked.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: STTesc




But what has worked is TRUE Capitalism,

Interesting where is this TRUE Capitalist country?

I would love to visit , to see something different than the CORPapitalism that we have here in the US?





What's wrong with Liberals?


The same thing as conservatives: (to name a few from the top of my head.)
1. They pay attention to words and not actions from their party.
2. They think there vote matters and the two parties are different.
3. They fall for the other party as the scapegoats .
4. They focus on distractions.
5. They ignore the lobbying industries control over politicians/


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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

That article is like a pinball machine on tilt.



The levels of authoritarianism seems to be overlooked.



Okay, what do you mean, specifically. That's a very generic statement.

What levels of authoritarianism, where, when, how, as practiced by whom, with specific examples.

That is, if you want to discuss it, rather than our usual semantic ping-pong.


I'd love to hear what YOU really have to say.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

i agree with many of the points on the liberal side. for example: i don't agree with the death penalty. i agree with social safety nets, though i argue they are deliberately too flimsy, on purpose, to keep the paradigm of left vs. right, going.

consider, once a poor man is raised out of his self defeating stupor, and realizes he is master of his own destiny, he becomes a conscientious citizen and also realizes his hard work will all be for naught if he just lets the government take all his wealth to redistribute. we typically call working for a master, who claims to own your labor, slavery. so though he may be for social safety nets, he realizes there should be a limit on it. many of these become conservatives, and that just won't do. how could institutionalized slavery continue if social safety nets were extremely effective? you'd have modern day liberal party being inky dinky, and conservatives being massive.

on the other hand, we collect more than enough taxes to provide excellent safety nets but don't use them for that, instead our politicians re-route the funds to global domination, and then just blame it on greed and skin color at the grass roots level. there's a disconnect between understanding there is no difference between slavery and out of control socialism. and it's only out of control because they are inappropriately using our taxes.
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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Anti-venom is made from venom.




posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: johnwick
a reply to: amazing

So why is "a white male dominated society" society bad?

It seems obvious!!!

You think white males are bad.

If I said that about Asians or blacks etc. You would be screaming racism.


No you need to study history. For centuries the earth has been dominated by white males. This white male dominated society dictated that slavery was okay, as long as they weren't white males, that women shouldn't vote or be in politics, that it was okay to annihilate native Americans, that we were better superior to asians and any other race. Look how that effected the Nazi's. Anyone other than white males in power there? What's the ration of white males in congress in the us right now? I'll tell you, it's about 80% Male and about 80% white. Does that really represent us as a country. Again, study some history my friend. It's time to diversify.


The entire Earth? You do understand that the Caucasian race is the minority in the world right? Asians vastly outnumber the white race. Hispanics outnumber the white race. Africans outnumber the white race. The white male had dominated Europe (shocker) and early North America. That's it. It's actually both surprising and impressive that a people so few were capable of dominating their territory and expanding into both the far east and north America.

So how about you study history? Africans sold themselves into slavery. Africans and Asians continue to enslave themselves today. The middle east stones women to death. Native Americans were involved in both human sacrifice and endless tribal warfare long before the evil white man ever set foot on America's shore.

You want to know the brutal truth? Without the evil white man you'd either be picking flies off your ass in some jungle or speaking Mandarin. How about you show some #ing respect?


How about you show some intelligence and study history? Or is that too much to ask?



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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No a darpa-google combat droid dominated society is bad.
You think firmware 2383 series is bad.
If you said firmware 89C0:00F4 express or 1002:09FF2 rev 2 You'd be screaming firmwareism!

What will happen when they bring in the machine ran panopticon? Will they hate each other over differing firmware roms and chipset architectures?

Racism is silly.

But really. Liberals are not really liberals. They are left fascists.


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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: johnwick
a reply to: amazing

So why is "a white male dominated society" society bad?

It seems obvious!!!

You think white males are bad.

If I said that about Asians or blacks etc. You would be screaming racism.


No you need to study history. For centuries the earth has been dominated by white males. This white male dominated society dictated that slavery was okay, as long as they weren't white males, that women shouldn't vote or be in politics, that it was okay to annihilate native Americans, that we were better superior to asians and any other race. Look how that effected the Nazi's. Anyone other than white males in power there? What's the ration of white males in congress in the us right now? I'll tell you, it's about 80% Male and about 80% white. Does that really represent us as a country. Again, study some history my friend. It's time to diversify.


The entire Earth? You do understand that the Caucasian race is the minority in the world right? Asians vastly outnumber the white race. Hispanics outnumber the white race. Africans outnumber the white race. The white male had dominated Europe (shocker) and early North America. That's it. It's actually both surprising and impressive that a people so few were capable of dominating their territory and expanding into both the far east and north America.

So how about you study history? Africans sold themselves into slavery. Africans and Asians continue to enslave themselves today. The middle east stones women to death. Native Americans were involved in both human sacrifice and endless tribal warfare long before the evil white man ever set foot on America's shore.

You want to know the brutal truth? Without the evil white man you'd either be picking flies off your ass in some jungle or speaking Mandarin. How about you show some #ing respect?


How about you show some intelligence and study history? Or is that too much to ask?


Editing to add here.

That if you'd truly study world history you would see, at least in modern times...that in the past few hundred years...that white males have dominated the world. From well before the Victorian age they have ran the world and.... White males still do. So what's the problem you might ask?

History has shown that it's only a problem when white males think they are the best of the species or that they are better than every one else. Some of them still do. From the slave traders, to the british empire that spanned the entire globe to, the Nazi's to the current US government and US colonialism and the corporate and big business world. White males still dominate. Things are changing now...slowly and for the best but the white male dominance is still prominent.

I'm a white male by the way. I've never been discrimated against or passed over for a job by a minority. I've never had feminists give me a hard time. In fact I've had a pretty good life just as most white males do. Unless they are of the stupid redneck white male variety. Particurarly that variety that's found in the depths of the United States south and the bottom rungs of the republican party.

I've found in life that the "Poor me" Of "I'm a white Christian and I'm being persecuted agains" people, are the ones that shoot themselves in the foot. they are the victims, have the victim mentality. They can't seem to get anywhere in life, and instead of grabbing life by the horns and doing something with their lives, they blame everyone else for their problems. We see it on threads like this all the time.

The Atheists are persecuting me. The Muslims are taking over the world. The Chinese have devalued our currency. Obama destroyed America. The democrats have ruined my life. The homosexuals are ruining the sanctity of marriage. They are keeping me down. Affirmative action has ruined my families life. The inner city youth are destroying our cities. How can we ever get ahead in life?

Not of those statements are true. I've had at least as tough a life as any of you on this board. I've been homeless, battled addiction, had cars repossessed, had my credit ruined, had people screw my over for promotions, had family members die before their time, had best friends die suddenly, been arrested and beaten severely by cops, been shot at, been fired, lost elections, been slandered in newspapers, been kicked out of parties and houses and associations, had parents divorce, ruined my own relationships, been sick and ill and hospitalized and had bones broken, been slandered online, lost fights, lost competitions, been demoted, been disappointed......and on and on and on and on... and...I just keep on pulling myself up and realizing that the only person capable of keeping me down is me. I've learned to ignore the negative people in life, including the media...like limbaugh and hannity and coulter and well everyone like that. That was a one sided sample of the media but the thruth is that the right wing media or generally more negative and more complaining and this rubs of on thier listeners and viewers...and here we are back to the poor southern white males bottom feeding on the republican party.

Yes?
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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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a reply to: amazing

the globalists are from every ethnicity. it's just most of their membership is hidden. and they are the ones who actually run the planet. they started the bolshevik revolution, nazi germany, every world war, and every war since then. they're all friends at the top, and just move us around like human chess pieces.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Gryphon66

Anti-venom is made from venom.



Reminds me of:

"The dose makes the poison." (Paracelsus)



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I suppose one could claim that.

The only "liberals" that want totalitarianism are the ones in the tales told by the reactionary regressives on the American right.

In other words, they don't exist.

People are diffuse and individual. Beliefs among liberals are as varied as among any other demographic.

While we're grossly generalizing though ... some of the most fascist state-worshipping comments I've heard in a while were uttered by the right-wing against what happened in Ferguson.

Suddenly a police force with military grade gear pointing weapons at Americans in broad daylight were just a bunch of good guys doing their jobs. Suddenly, overt police overreach was just fine and every real American respects and loves the PO-lice.

Every Republican was suddenly a-ok with enforcing the letter of the law. Suddenly, citizens didn't have any rights and were suspect. Where was the call for freedom and rising up against "the police state" that were heard from the Bundy ranch?

Suddenly it's "don't do the crime if you can't serve the time." Or get shot in the street.

Show me how that level of police worship is not fascism by any definition you choose.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: johnwick
a reply to: amazing

So why is "a white male dominated society" society bad?

It seems obvious!!!

You think white males are bad.

If I said that about Asians or blacks etc. You would be screaming racism.


No you need to study history. For centuries the earth has been dominated by white males. This white male dominated society dictated that slavery was okay, as long as they weren't white males, that women shouldn't vote or be in politics, that it was okay to annihilate native Americans, that we were better superior to asians and any other race. Look how that effected the Nazi's. Anyone other than white males in power there? What's the ration of white males in congress in the us right now? I'll tell you, it's about 80% Male and about 80% white. Does that really represent us as a country. Again, study some history my friend. It's time to diversify.


The entire Earth? You do understand that the Caucasian race is the minority in the world right? Asians vastly outnumber the white race. Hispanics outnumber the white race. Africans outnumber the white race. The white male had dominated Europe (shocker) and early North America. That's it. It's actually both surprising and impressive that a people so few were capable of dominating their territory and expanding into both the far east and north America.

So how about you study history? Africans sold themselves into slavery. Africans and Asians continue to enslave themselves today. The middle east stones women to death. Native Americans were involved in both human sacrifice and endless tribal warfare long before the evil white man ever set foot on America's shore.

You want to know the brutal truth? Without the evil white man you'd either be picking flies off your ass in some jungle or speaking Mandarin. How about you show some #ing respect?


I take it back. These are not the words of a racist.

You think Adolf Hitler was just "misunderstood."

You think Aryan Nation and the other Neo-Nazis are just standing up and "being the change they want to see in the world."

You think that white people are the most discriminated against yet, simultaneously, they are the only superior race in the world.

No, these are not the words of racism.

These are the words of white supremacy.
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posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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America is not going to be destroyed.
America is merely a caterpillar ready to be cocooned,
but whetever it is a butterfly or a moth that
will emerge from that cocoon does not matter,
for neither of them will are able to fly until their wings are dry.

Don't ask me, i just made that s**t up.



posted on Apr, 7 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: amazing

I'm a white male too. Of course, in the eyes of some I'm "corrupted" by my sexual preference.

You know, in the eyes of those who are really into the "purity" of races and such.

I'm sorry to hear about all the reversals you've had in your life ... but I understand.

My theme song for a alot of my life has been "Here I Go Again."

Thanks for your comments!


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