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What's wrong with Liberals?

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

So how is the bail out and them shipping the jobs overseas the fault of liberals?

Cause isn't it who is the gov to tell a company what to do with their jobs a d their profit margins line of thought that allowed it?

Not all liberals are after your guns and the money grabbing, true capitalist, Jesse and al do not represent them all either.
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Greven

I saw a great article on that I will link you. It had 12 unspoken rules for being a liberal. Here's number three it's my personal favorite.


12 unspoken rules for being a liberal.

That's actually quite a bad article.

I'll let you in on a little secret: the founders of the United States called themselves liberals.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: STTesc

So how is the bail out and them shipping the jobs overseas the fault of liberals?

Not all liberals are after your guns and the money grabbing, true capitalist, Jesse and al do not represent them all either.


And I'd love to see a Democrat run for President that isn't about gun grabbing, race baiting and shipping jobs overseas. That doesn't want to shove some agenda down my throat, tell me I'm bad because I'm a male or have Al Sharpton as an honored guest in the white house. That simply doesn't happen though. In what world does the US president invite a former drug dealer that raps about "bitches" to the white house and then turn around and talk about equality for women while paying them less than his male staff? Again, it's the hypocrisy. This country has some serious issues and no, it's not just a Liberal problem.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Greven

I saw a great article on that I will link you. It had 12 unspoken rules for being a liberal. Here's number three it's my personal favorite.


12 unspoken rules for being a liberal.

That's actually quite a bad article.

I'll let you in on a little secret: the founders of the United States called themselves liberals.


It's seems the definition of Liberals changed without them telling anyone. Thomas Jefferson was a very different Liberal than Obama. American liberal has really become it's own term.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Greven

I saw a great article on that I will link you. It had 12 unspoken rules for being a liberal. Here's number three it's my personal favorite.


12 unspoken rules for being a liberal.

That's actually quite a bad article.

I'll let you in on a little secret: the founders of the United States called themselves liberals.



If it's such a bad article why did you just follow rule number two?


You exempt yourself from your attacks on America: Ever notice that liberals don't include themselves in their attacks on America? When they say, "This is a racist country," or ",This is a mean country," they certainly aren't referring to themselves or people who hold their views. Even though liberals supported the KKK, slaughtering the Indians, and putting the Japanese in internment camps, when they criticize those things, it's meant as an attack on everyone else EXCEPT LIBERALS. The only thing a liberal believes he can truly do wrong is to be insufficiently liberal.






posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: Greathouse

Seriously one article that suposidly paints all liberals in the same light, thats all you got.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: Greathouse

You think I'm a liberal, interesting. I voted for Ron Paul in '08, what's that make me?

e: p.s. How exactly did I 'attack America' anyway?
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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One obvious problem with the Progressive/Liberal/Left Wing/Democrat agenda is the demand factor.

They always demand something be done about society problems and yet only offer solutions that fail.

The ones shouting the loudest never solve the problems, in fact the poverty and high crime keep getting worse despite the increased funding of programs.

Even Canada has high poverty and high debt ratios.




posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Mr X you need to brush up on world politics, liberals in america arent the same as real liberals, i know that wont stop you from posting, but at least try to read up, it might help you be a better propaganda agent.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

The article seems to be working so far you just used rule number 10.


10) You must be absolutely close minded: One of the key reasons liberals spend so much time vilifying people they don't like and questioning their motivations is to protect themselves from having to consider their arguments. This helps create a completely closed system for liberals. Conservative arguments are considered wrong by default since they're conservative and not worth hearing. On the other hand, liberals aren't going to make conservative arguments. So, a liberal goes to a liberal school, watches liberal news, listens to liberal politicians, has liberal friends, and then convinces himself that conservatives are all hateful, evil, racist Nazis so that any stray conservatism he hears should be ignored. It makes liberal minds into perfectly closed loops that are impervious to anything other than liberal doctrine.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

From my reading of American history, I find that the assumption that our nation was established with a certain mindset, that it was a uniform consensus on how and who should govern is only a myth. The founding fathers, make that the founding brothers, were scattered all over the political, economic and religious map. They fought with one another, dueled and killed one another and generally were not in agreement on many far reaching issues. What they hammered together took several tries and was left open to amendment.

There were factions that wanted complete control and there were factions that wanted minimal control structures which would allow the individual himself(unless you were a woman or non-white) to determine their own life courses. These factions, these tendencies are both still at play today.

These tendencies have fluxuated over the years. They have adheared themselves to certain branding, Whig, Torrie, Bull Moose, Dem/Pub etc. One centuries democrat was another centuries Republican. In my own understanding of these things, I see that many who call themselves or are called Conservative, are not really conservative. Likewise many who call themselves progressive,,,,,, are not really progressive.

What I can tell you of my own understanding of progressivism is this. True progressives are people who believe that the Constitution was crafted by 18th century men who were trying to figure out how to set up a nation that would allow for as much freedom as possible for these men who held a variety of philosophical outlooks on the nature of man and freedom.

True progressives believe that these "brothers" understood that what they were crafting was only temporary. A strong foundation for an evolving ethos which would be necessary to encompass the needs for freedom over the ensuing decades. That these men allowed that the guidelines they were putting together would meet the needs of the day and allow for the continued development of those precepts as the nation grew and developed. And that certainly they, in their own mortality could only guess and speculate on what it would take to govern a future society.

They understood that too much control was deadly, but they also understood that to little would lead to chaos. And that balance is what was important.

Many of those founding brothers wanted all the control in their own hands, believing that they were the cream of the crop and that most everyone else were of lesser stock, not capable of governing themselves. Others believed that the common man DID have this capacity, to govern themselves in a productive manor. This of course, at that time was set into law only,,ONLY, for rich, white, males. If you were non-white , or female, or did not have enough money to own your own land then these freedoms and protections were not granted.

True progressives understand the inadequacies of the original Constitution, yet still hold it as the finest single document in history. They hold that that constitution is not and was not ever to be taken as a bible, as a set of laws or rules to be adhered to by the letter for all eternity. That that Constitution was a work of the people, and in that, the people were to keep it alive, not bury it in a hole of absoluteness. That that Constitution was to be left in the hands of the people rather than locked up in a display case in a grand mansion where visitors would visit and pay homage. That that Constitution would serve as a basis for an ever evolving experiment of human freedom and progress.

And finally, when you point out that

Liberalism has turned into all but a cult.
I could not agree more. However, I might suggest the exact same observation of Conservatism. There are those who hold their Coservatism dearly and likewise Liberals who hold their liberalism likewise. But there are also those who will join the cult that is nearest them and you know what? I think those founding fathers knew that also.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: Greathouse

Those arent facts just emotional responses, tell you what, go read up on real socialist liberal countries, you could learn a few things. Go read up on sweden, and come back and tell me how american liberals are real liberals.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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Liberalism goes deeper than political party alignments. The practice of liberalism seems to be the actual oppressing of some people today because of a theoretical future oppression of someone else.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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intrptr, Jude and stremmos have given pretty salient truths as to what is wrong. These huge Corps monopolise everything..including you.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Very interesting read, thank you.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: Greathouse

You think I'm a liberal, interesting. I voted for Ron Paul in '08, what's that make me?

e: p.s. How exactly did I 'attack America' anyway?



Your tactics fall under rule seven. Please take the time to comprehend the entire rule not just cherry pick part of the statement.



Feelings are more important than logic: Liberals base their positions on emotions, not facts and logic and then they work backwards to shore up their position. This is why it's a waste of time to try to convince a liberal of anything based on logic. You don't "logic" someone out of a position that he didn't use "logic" to come up with in the first place.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

The left fascists(they are not liberals)in the US mean well...

They tend to want to force their collectivized way on people like any other fascist would. If you don't like it they will hit you with thier fascii until you comply with them. The state is a means to control people and perpetuate their warped collectivism on the public against their will.

Almost as bad as the right fascists(modern republicans).

At least the libertarians and anarchists have it right. The state is not your friend, its not a "make life easy for everyone" machine and(history has shown us time and time again) can be dangerous.

Left fascists(democrats)wanting more power though the state to "fundimentally change america" should not be trusted.
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: Greathouse

Nice fail, could you plz share how you really feel about what you think a liberal is, instead of using an article that lumps everyone one together.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

They are not liberals.

Look up classical liberals.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

Universal healthcare and feeding hungry children and generating a society of well being FOR ALL is a great philosophy and that is the essence of Progressive philosophy

As well in the constitution


The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States. – Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 8


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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