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What's wrong with Liberals?

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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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This is a shame. You have conversations while I sleep and yet when I return, everything stops. I guess when someone is here to defend themselves the attacks end?




posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc
Can someone please explain this to me. I just don't understand how anyone can actually agree with the progressive mindset. I mean, if you're an American, right? And you believe in what his nation was founded on, right? Why would you actively go out of your way to destroy your own culture? Sure, I guess some don't see it that way, we all can disagree on certain issues, but changing the basic structure that made this country? At what point do you look at what you stand for and think to yourself "this just isn't American"?

I'm a registered Republican, but I don't consider myself Conservative. There are certain issues, like endless war, that I don't agree with. I consider myself more Libertarian. But party isn't everything to me. I place my country above whatever letter stands before my name. And to be honest, if a Democrat ran on the principles I agree on, I wouldn't mind going across the line and casting my vote. But that's not happening in modern America. All I see is "think our way or you're wrong". It's literally the intolerant preaching tolerance, modern day witch hunts.

Social engineering is bad. Socialism doesn't work. Communism doesn't work. These things have been proven throughout history. But what has worked is TRUE Capitalism, something this world hasn't seen since at least the 20s. We, as a country, should be moving back towards what worked in the past, what made us so prosperous to begin with, not what has proven to fail over and over.

You're not on some team because you're a Republican or Democrat. It's about placing people in power that you agree with, not because they're in the same party your parents were in. This seems to have been lost, the idea that these people are public servants, not "officials". And Americans need to start putting America first and stop the sexist/racist witch hunts. I just don't understand why what I'm saying is so wrong. Liberalism has turned into all but a cult.


Oh, hi Jamie1, we've missed you.

How's your personal happiness going?



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: cuckooold


Oh, hi Jamie1, we've missed you.

How's your personal happiness going?


:-)

Mine just improved - thanks for this



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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a reply to: cuckooold

I think you may be onto something here...



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

What's wrong with Liberals?

Answer - Without Constant Confrontation to the Status Quo of Traditional American Culture , their Belief System becomes Meaningless . They seem to be Never Satisfied with Anything in their Personal Lives , and Often fall prey to Intellectual Manipulation by Idiologs with Suspect Agendas .



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: STTesc
What's wrong with Liberals?
Answer - Without Constant Confrontation to the Status Quo of Traditional American Culture , their Belief System becomes Meaningless . They seem to be Never Satisfied with Anything in their Personal Lives , and Often fall prey to Intellectual Manipulation by Idiologs with Suspect Agendas .

Well now, that certainly was rectally sourced!!



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

i'm jumping into this a bit late but here is my two cents.

there is no difference between liberal and conservative,
no difference between republican and democrat
no difference between religious and secular.

we all want the same thing. opportunity to better ourselves, a quality education for our children, quality healthcare in time of need. we are americans first and everything else comes in last. the biggest problem is the fact we are dividing ourselves. we squabble about nonsense while the policy makers line their pockets with lobby money. we need to come together as a nation and say enough is enough! it will never happen until we stop the in fighting. it's what people in power want. our focus is on the wrong things.

before i am a republican
before i am a democrat
i am an american.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Thanks Johnny , for the Conformation of my Post . .............





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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: subfab

That might work for everyone but the Religious. They claim their version of God always comes first. Other than that I'd say you're right.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: STTesc

What's wrong with Conservatives?

Answer - Without Constant Confrontation to the Status Quo of Progressive American Culture , their Belief System becomes Meaningless . They seem to be Never Satisfied with Anything in their Personal Lives , and Often fall prey to Intellectual Manipulation by Idiologs with Suspect Agendas .



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc
When someone is acting like an animal, there's no reason not to call them an animal. But I believe I got the people mixed up, I'm referring to the guy that robbed a store prior to being shot by an officer. The man who was told multiple times to stop. But again, comparing calling a single man an animal based on his own behavior is not the same as saying that an entire race needs to be managed.

As to the freedom of business? It's a direct contradiction to the 1st amendment. You, as a business owner, have the right to deny service to anyone you choose. Just as some people require "shoes, shirt or no service". Refusing to hire or handing a person a job based on their sexual orientation or color would be discrimination. The point being that the free market will dictate what happens to these people, Government isn't needed to place in laws. People that don't agree with the actions of a store owner have the right to boycott.

And I don't blame myself for having to go to the schools I did, I simply don't use it as a crutch or excuse for my own actions.

Animals are subhuman; they aren't held accountable to the laws of men as they are generally held to lack free will. They do not have morals or see good/evil. In a way, by classifying someone in this manner, you deny him agency. Yet, you would hold a person you liken to an animal responsible for his crimes, correct?

Yet, we had in living memory discrimination unpunished by the free market. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 came about because of such discrimination, no? Seems as if the free market isn't equipped to handle such a thing.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 10:00 PM
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a reply to: Greven

Then maybe it should be allowed if the majority of people don't have a problem with it? Oh wait, you're comparing the 1950s to 2015.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 10:08 PM
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So let's discuss what I've learned in the past 14 pages.

Liberals think they're always right.
Liberals are immune to understanding their own hypocrisy.
This is caused mostly by borderline narcissistic tenancies.
Liberals view the rest of us as beneath them, almost to the point that they believe themselves to be enlightened. It's similar to the God's chosen people complex the Israelis have. This can be seen when attempting to communicate with a female member of their species and told that the simple act of common friendship would never be possible.
Modern American Liberals have a lot more in common with Libertarians yet refuse to admit it, probably because they themselves believe they're closet Communist but sadly, they don't have the stones for it.
At the end of the day, their position is usually weak to the people that cards are constantly played. Indeed, it seems that underlying specks of narcissism causes this behavior which is why they are incapable of admitting when they are wrong... even when facing instances of hypocrisy. The party, what they believe, and their overall tribal behavior, is placed above even the rest of the tribe... again, simply to fuel their underlying egomaniac trait.

Thus I've concluded that Liberalism is, in part, a mental disorder. Again, this is my opinion. Just what I've gathered in the past 14 pages.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 10:22 PM
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Also, as in the case of our Canadian friend above, you're not being targeted in this thread. I know, the title says Liberal, doesn't it? Oops. See, there is a difference between American Liberals and Liberals. So while you may think you're defending something here, you honestly have no idea what they've turned the definition into. So when I ask what's wrong with Liberals, I really mean, what's wrong with AMERICAN Liberals.

Just needed to clear that up. I hate to see good men and women believe that I'm personally attacking them. I apologize. I am attempting to communicate with and understand a mental disorder.



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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Liberals think they're always right.


So guess you are more liberal then you think



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 11:36 PM
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a reply to: STTesc

What conclusions did you come to about barely-closeted white supremacists and their rampant dishonesty?

That is, in your thread review ...



posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc
This is a shame. You have conversations while I sleep and yet when I return, everything stops. I guess when someone is here to defend themselves the attacks end?


So ... you really think that responses in the thread are based on your presence, somehow?

Wow. And you call us narcissistic.



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 12:04 AM
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As more than one actual liberals have stated here, we stand for the values inherent in the US Constitution.

I disagree that liberalism is a mental disorder. The idea is absurd.

Let's see evidence for such a ridiculous assertion.

Liberals stand for civil rights, free markets in a mixed economy, individual freedom ... liberals believe that the only real value and meaning of the government is to protect the rights of the people and maintain their infrastructure.



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 12:11 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
As more than one actual liberals have stated here, we stand for the values inherent in the US Constitution.

I disagree that liberalism is a mental disorder. The idea is absurd.

Let's see evidence for such a ridiculous assertion.

Liberals stand for civil rights, free markets in a mixed economy, individual freedom ... liberals believe that the only real value and meaning of the government is to protect the rights of the people and maintain their infrastructure.


If you honestly believe that, then there's no difference between you and a Libertarian. But you don't want personal freedom, do you? See, the difference between an American Liberal and a Libertarian is that Libertarians don't need social safety nets. American Liberals, however, like their handouts. They like their nanny state, being told how big your soda can be, etc. Maybe you're not actually a Liberal? Maybe you're simply a classic Liberal or, as many today would see you, a Libertarian?

But that would mean you couldn't identify yourself with the hardcore left and you'd have to put up with people calling you racist even when you know you're not. Hmm...
edit on 6-4-2015 by STTesc because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 6 2015 @ 01:34 AM
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But ... I am a racist. I do see differences in characteristics between folks of different races. (For example, on the whole, white people just can't dance.) Racism is only "bad" when it forms the basis of discriminatory actions and laws. I grew up in the deep South; I'd argue that I'd simply be lying if I tried to say I haven't absorbed some of the rampant racism around me, even if it formed in me a reaction of racism set against the majority race.

I don't let my innate racism form my opinions of others. I have worked my entire life to remember to see, or attempt to see, people for what they really are. And more than that, I have worked to make sure the people are treated equitably before the law.

There's not a lot of difference between my views and CLASSIC libertarian views, no. Libertarians hate the dictatory nature of the State, and so do I. If you had read what I have written here, you know that I have very specfiic beliefs regarding the meaning and place of government. In the American system, the government works FOR US ... FOR THE PEOPLE.

You talk about American Liberalism, but say nothing of the vast differences in American Libertarianism, which has become a mere patsy of the pro-capitalists and more recently, of the political right.

That is NOT what libertarians believed historically or in most of the world.

I do not like "handouts." I have used unemployment insurance once for six weeks in 32 years of working, and have never used Welfare or Food Stamps. TO provide a social safety net is to maintain a certain level of sustainability in the population at large, aside from the simple ethical and moral rightness that when I have more than I need, I can share some of that excess to help others. The easiest and most effective way to do that is through the government and the social safety net.

The argument about liberals uniformly imposing soda sizes is merely political fiction. Utilizing the technique of reducing everything to its most simple terms (and leaving most of the truth behind in the process) to present a simple dichotomy is one of the basic tactics of propagandizing.

The ONLY good in the State (organized government) is the maintenance of the well-being of the population ... or as the Constitution says, "the general Welfare."

The "liberals" you talk about in your OP and subsequently in this thread, STTesc, are fictions of the right-wing you claim not to support. Those America-hating totalitarian-loving parasites just simply are not real.

I and others here find your assertions shallow (and in my case, dishonest) because your presentations are generally a word-for-word repetition of the agenda and argument of the Republican/reactionary/regressive establishment.

If you want to have reasonable discussion fine. Do it. If you make a wild claim, back it up. If something is merely your opinion, just say so. I do not believe you are actually looking for debate, however; I think you're here in this thread and on this site, in general, to propagate the garbage you've been sputtering to date about "liberals."

Go ahead; prove me wrong.

edit on 1Mon, 06 Apr 2015 01:39:10 -050015p012015466 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



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