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What's wrong with Liberals?

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:02 PM
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Can someone please explain this to me. I just don't understand how anyone can actually agree with the progressive mindset. I mean, if you're an American, right? And you believe in what his nation was founded on, right? Why would you actively go out of your way to destroy your own culture? Sure, I guess some don't see it that way, we all can disagree on certain issues, but changing the basic structure that made this country? At what point do you look at what you stand for and think to yourself "this just isn't American"?

I'm a registered Republican, but I don't consider myself Conservative. There are certain issues, like endless war, that I don't agree with. I consider myself more Libertarian. But party isn't everything to me. I place my country above whatever letter stands before my name. And to be honest, if a Democrat ran on the principles I agree on, I wouldn't mind going across the line and casting my vote. But that's not happening in modern America. All I see is "think our way or you're wrong". It's literally the intolerant preaching tolerance, modern day witch hunts.

Social engineering is bad. Socialism doesn't work. Communism doesn't work. These things have been proven throughout history. But what has worked is TRUE Capitalism, something this world hasn't seen since at least the 20s. We, as a country, should be moving back towards what worked in the past, what made us so prosperous to begin with, not what has proven to fail over and over.

You're not on some team because you're a Republican or Democrat. It's about placing people in power that you agree with, not because they're in the same party your parents were in. This seems to have been lost, the idea that these people are public servants, not "officials". And Americans need to start putting America first and stop the sexist/racist witch hunts. I just don't understand why what I'm saying is so wrong. Liberalism has turned into all but a cult.




posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: STTesc
What do you think these liberals/progressives believe?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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Can you be more specific about what a progressive liberal is? Or which laws you consider progressive liberal? I can't defend personal thoughts and beliefs, just my own.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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Social engineering is bad. Socialism doesn't work. Communism doesn't work. These things have been proven throughout history. But what has worked is TRUE Capitalism,

More "liberty" than "Capitalism". If people are free to pursue their individual constructs they will progress and make money, all by themselves. Problem is big corporations want to squash all competition and their influence has bribed government officials into preventing "Free Enterprise" and "Entrepreneurship".


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: STTesc
What do you think these liberals/progressives believe?


Honestly? That America is bad or wrong. That religion is bad. The white male is bad. And that flooding the border with illegals is okay. That we shouldn't even have a border because "it's racist". That every cent of our tax dollars should go to public housing and food stamps. That hand outs are the norm, nobody should work because the Government takes care of you. That only "officials" should be armed because we're all too stupid to defend ourselves. That the nanny state needs to dictate to us how big our sodas are and what our kids eat at school. That common core is a good thing and our savior to the failing education system that was brought on by the same do gooders that now push this crap. That Detroit is the utopia.

I honestly wish I was joking, but this is what I see coming out of the Democratic party. I don't see America, I see witch hunts and labels further dividing the country. And when I don't agree on something I'm obviously in the wrong because I don't care enough... you know what? The road to hell is paved on good intentions. And it's either good intentions gone wrong or stupidity, probably both, but it's not what this country was founded on. Am I wrong in these thoughts? Should I believe the progressive hive or my lieing eyes? That is what I don't understand. I can't wrap my head around why someone would hate the country they were born in. A country that gave them the opportunities they enjoy. Or why people believe that the Government is their savior...


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:13 PM
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I am sure not every liberal has the exact same beliefs so while some might be very 'out there' they may be other more moderate liberals that I could agree with on many points.

My two biggest problems with liberals come from their need to control people's thoughts and actions and their opposition to the 2nd amendment and gun rights. They seem to have forgotten this country was founded on the importance of personal liberty over the tyranny of the state.

Now, to be fair there are many Republicans that also want to control people so that is why I am a Libertarian. Anyone that tries to be the thought police or control how I live my life is my enemy.
edit on 2015/4/4 by Metallicus because: sp


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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I saw a great article on that I will link you. It had 12 unspoken rules for being a liberal. Here's number three it's my personal favorite.



3) What liberals like should be mandatory and what they don't like should be banned: There's an almost instinctual form of fascism that runs through most liberals. It's not enough for liberals to love gay marriage; everyone must be forced to love gay marriage. It's not enough for liberals to be afraid of guns; guns have to be banned. It's not enough for liberals to want to use energy-saving light bulbs; incandescent light bulbs must be banned. It's not enough for liberals to make sure most speakers on campuses are left-wing; conservative speakers must be shouted down or blocked from speaking.


12 unspoken rules for being a liberal.


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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Lay off the rush and O'Reilly.

You got all the buzz words and phrases down, but not much fact to them.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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When the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union broke up we all thought the threat from the thing most likely to destroy the west was finished. Since that time liberal authoritarianism has completely controlled the narrative in the Anglosphere. It is quite easy to understand why some believe that the red menace never really went away. Those who subscribe to this theory believe that Communism simply adopted the tactic of soft mission creep through Liberal Authoritarianism and went mainstream.


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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: STTesc

Lay off the rush and O'Reilly.

You got all the buzz words and phrases down, but not much fact to them.


I don't listen to Rush and I think O'Reilly is a full on narcissist. You can see who I listen to in my signature. But which buzz words? Which phrases? How is there not fact in my words? This is what I see going on in my country. Please explain to me how I'm wrong.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus
I completely agree.

edit on 4-4-2015 by Gully because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: STTesc

originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: STTesc
What do you think these liberals/progressives believe?


Honestly? That America is bad or wrong. That religion is bad. The white male is bad. And that flooding the border with illegals is okay. That we shouldn't even have a border because "it's racist". That every cent of our tax dollars should go to public housing and food stamps. That hand outs are the norm, nobody should work because the Government takes care of you. That only "officials" should be armed because we're all too stupid to defend ourselves. That the nanny state needs to dictate to us how big our sodas are and what our kids eat at school. That common core is a good thing and our savior to the failing education system that was brought on by the same do gooders that now push this crap. That Detroit is the utopia.

I honestly wish I was joking, but this is what I see coming out of the Democratic party. I don't see America, I see witch hunts and labels further dividing the country. And when I don't agree on something I'm obviously in the wrong because I don't care enough... you know what? The road to hell is paved on good intentions. And it's either good intentions gone wrong or stupidity, probably both, but it's not what this country was founded on. Am I wrong in these thoughts? Should I believe the progressive hive or my lieing eyes? That is what I don't understand. I can't wrap my head around why someone would hate the country they were born in. A country that gave them the opportunities they enjoy. Or why people believe that the Government is their savior...


I tend to lean left and liberal in a lot of my views but also conervative, republican and libertarian in some as well.
You said.

That America is bad or wrong. ---I think we should push for the truth and that means that in many cases America is bad or wrong..not the country or the people but our actions and policies.. Invading Iraq for oil was wrong. The genocide of notive americans...that was wrong and bad. Truth is never bad.

That religion is bad. --- What if you're a deist or atheist? In that case religion can be bad. I'm against organized religion and religion should stay out of politics. That isn't a liberal view point. George Washington wasn't a liberal.

The white male is bad. -- White males aren't bad. A white male dominated society is bad.

And that flooding the border with illegals is okay. That we shouldn't even have a border because "it's racist". --If you're talking about Amnesty and an easier path to citizenship. What's wrong with making the millions of illegal immigrants in the USA taxpaying citizens and with valid IDs. Imagine how much revenue we'd make off of taxes and how much easier law enforcement would be.

That every cent of our tax dollars should go to public housing and food stamps. That hand outs are the norm, nobody should work because the Government takes care of you. ---that's not true. most of our money goes to the military and alphabet agencies. Too much that we can't even account for. That's where we need to make cuts.

That only "officials" should be armed because we're all too stupid to defend ourselves. --I agree there. Everyone should have the right to bear arms, However I'm a big believer in stricter background checks.

That the nanny state needs to dictate to us how big our sodas are and what our kids eat at school. --that's true. That's not good.

That common core is a good thing and our savior to the failing education system that was brought on by the same do gooders that now push this crap. --Remember that REpublicans passed no child left behind. That was way worse.

That Detroit is the utopia.--It's not and shouldn't be.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:24 PM
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Let's try this for giggles:

"What's wrong with Liberals?"

"What's wrong with Democrats?"

"What's wrong with Republicans?"

Answer? They answer to the same Masters without even knowing it.

Hope this helps.


JUDE!!



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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For canadians i am a greenish liberal, for americans im called a communist, in europe id be considered a socialist.

People have a different view of politics depending where you are from.

You seem confused on what a true liberal is.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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Anything but capitalism is bad, social nets bad, liberals hate America, Detroit is the utopia.

That this nation wasn't founded on the ideals of anything other the what I say.
And i can't see your sig, on my phone and it doesn't show.
But just a heads up, you are preaching what the men you don't listen to are saying.

You should take a gander at some the progressive presidents.
Might shock you.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

That America is bad or wrong. ---I think we should push for the truth and that means that in many cases America is bad or wrong..not the country or the people but our actions and policies.. Invading Iraq for oil was wrong. The genocide of notive americans...that was wrong and bad. Truth is never bad.



I agree, the truth should be important, and I'm against endless wars. But let's be honest here, the Native Americans weren't just sitting here peacefully until the white man showed up. They were in an all out bloody war with each other, tribe vs tribe, long before anyone bothered them. Was our response bad? Yes and no. We were forced to choose sides, what came later was much worse though.

There are shades of good and bad in everything through history, but who here is bold enough to tell the real truth?



That religion is bad. --- What if you're a deist or atheist? In that case religion can be bad. I'm against organized religion and religion should stay out of politics. That isn't a liberal view point. George Washington wasn't a liberal.


And there's nothing wrong with being atheist, but what happens when atheists push their views on the rest of us and become just as bad as "jesus people" pushing their views on the rest of us? You see my point? The hypocrisy is the problem, not the actual views. If I can't have a Christmas tree or say God bless you, why should others be able to run around and push their views on everyone?



The white male is bad. -- White males aren't bad. A white male dominated society is bad.


Why is that a bad thing? World-wide, "white people" are the minority, yet we're the only race that is "bad" to have a dominated society? Nobody is going to China and telling those people that having an Asian dominated society is bad? So why is it okay to go to European nations and tell them you're racists and bigots for wanting to hold onto their culture? Again, why is being proud to be white a bad thing?



And that flooding the border with illegals is okay. That we shouldn't even have a border because "it's racist". --If you're talking about Amnesty and an easier path to citizenship. What's wrong with making the millions of illegal immigrants in the USA taxpaying citizens and with valid IDs. Imagine how much revenue we'd make off of taxes and how much easier law enforcement would be.


The problem is we should be accepting the best and brightest, people that can contribute to our society, not the drug dealers, rapists and criminals of other nations. Do you think Mexican doctors are arriving on top of trains? No, they're people that come here and live on our taxes. That's the brutal, honest truth.

Can I go to Mexico and have their Government and people take care of my child? Give me housing and food? Of course not, I'd either be thrown in a Mexican prison or shot outright. You can't even go to Europe and demand these things, so why is it okay here? A country needs laws and borders.



That every cent of our tax dollars should go to public housing and food stamps. That hand outs are the norm, nobody should work because the Government takes care of you. ---that's not true. most of our money goes to the military and alphabet agencies. Too much that we can't even account for. That's where we need to make cuts.


I agree. That and our billions a year spent in foreign aid. The insanity needs to stop.



That Detroit is the utopia.--It's not and shouldn't be.


Detroit is what Liberalism produces though. That's the reality.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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How Is Detroit the shining example of liberalism?

Do you know the history of Detroit?



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
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How Is Detroit the shining example of liberalism?

Do you know the history of Detroit?


I do. And it's been completely gutted. We bail out GM and they turn around and open plants in China. Apparently that's okay? Explain to me why the Government needs to tell me how big my soda is or what our children eat in school. How is that any of their damn business? Does our constitution and bill of rights mean nothing? Stop coming after the 2nd amendment. Yet this is what Liberals are pushing. Where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on black on black violence? Black lives on matter when they're taken by white men? The hypocrisy is what bothers me, man. Detroit is bankrupt and we're still sending billions a year to Israel, but I never said this was an ALL LIBERAL problem. The nation as a whole has it's head screwed on backwards.



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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Simple answer:



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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Can I shoot 'em yet?



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