How Many People Will Have To Migrate Out Of California When All The Water Disappears?

a reply to: Thunderheart

I honestly do not believe that desalinization is going to be the long term answer everyone wants it to be. Ever hear of Carthage? The Romans salted it after burning it to the ground....what do we do with all of the brine? It doesnt break down, spraying it on roads doesnt rid us of it...but it certainly will KILL ALL vegetation...de-sal is another part time bandaid, not a realistic answer for anything.

a reply to: BlueJacket

We will do what we do with all industrial waste products- put it in food and say it's a preservative. In this case it does have the benefit of being true and fairly benign as health risks from chemical waste hidden in your food go.

a reply to: The Vagabond

I agree with a portion of what you say, but it is certainly not benign when not diluted in water...I am unsure as to why our solutions never seem to be actual solutions based upon personal responsibility. I guess its just more fun to point fingers and wait than actually give two damns towards tenable solutions and paradigm shifts.

No offense intended towards you, I am weary of talking to walls, everyone without resources is too jaded to care, those with them ...just flat out dont care...there are solutions, but everyone has to pull together and actually resolve to make a difference.

a reply to: Thunderheart They can desalinate, however the power to be decided it was more important to have a bullet train instead.

a reply to: BlueJacket

I see your point but earth already does what I'm proposing without incident. Earth simply leaves the salt in the ocean- we can build big catapults on venice beach and charge kids 20 bucks a pull to throw huge boulders of crystaline salt back where they belong. and since all of the water taken out eventually goes back, it's more or less zero sum- the salt concentration ebbs and flows but doesn't spiral out of control.

a reply to: arjunanda

People will have to go but the question is

Go where ?

Interior US ?

More desert

originally posted by: violet
I don' t think any of them are planning on leaving just yet. They're all too spoiled on the nice weather and won't move north. They will head to florida where there's an ocean for them still and warm temps.

And sinkholes.

Brine the roads in summer to keep the ice down and in the winter to melt the ice. That's what we do in Michigan.

a reply to: mikell

How many years until the saline leaches fully into the surrounding area killing everything much like the Dead Sea?

We always need a boogie man, don't we

Fukushima, Ebola now Droughts...


Regardless, if they really wanted to fix the drought they would simply use HAARP

a reply to: The Vagabond

but consider that you could put the inlet at the mouth of a river and passively mine the entire watershed for trace elements that do not exist at extractable concentrations, For example, in a moderately rich location, seawater can contain 1mg of gold per ton, and although I know my math isn't precise, at 264 gallons to the ton and 80 billion gallons consumed in CA per day, that could be 58 tons or 2 billion dollars of gold a year as an unaccounted side benefit of not letting your customers die of thirst (you couldn't do it quite that simply in practice of course, but you see the basic concept)

Yeah that is a good idea and the people in Norway use something like that
to also make power at the mouths of river.

Osmotic Power system In Norway

originally posted by: Ceeker63
I suspect that at least 30% of the population will have to migrate out of California, to make things sustainable.

I think you could stop using 80% of the water for open air farming
and the problem is solved, all they need is water wicking methods
or hydroponics and they water problem is over.

originally posted by: ABNARTY
a reply to: KnightLight

i0.wp.com...

This is a pretty good break down. 80% is agriculture, 20% is residential. Of that 20%, only one third is indoor use (drinking, washing, etc.)

To continue with my original comment, if we limited water use to residential indoor use only, California could reduce their water usage by ~93%.

This won't happen.

10% residential, 10% industrial, 80% agriculture.

Water in California

71 references near the bottom to back up the percentiles.

Heres just a taste of what I am talking about with desalination:

Two gallons of ocean water go in; one gallon of drinking water comes out. The leftover gallon contains super-salty brine. This doubly salty water is mixed with the city's wastewater and then piped back out to sea and spread around, about 30 miles offshore.

And I am sure this is just a conservative estimate:

Cost effectiveness is important, because desalination is expensive. To get the Santa Barbara plant back online, the estimated cost of water for the average resident will increase by about $20 each month starting this July, even though the plant won't open until 2016.

I can see all of this drought stuff actually being the start of Nestle's desire to privatize the worlds water. As someone else said, dont let a good opportunity to go to waste. Heres the article (www.npr.org...) I pulled the above quotes from, nothing overly new, but it does underline the point that just starting desalination is not covering the entire scope of the problem. Personally, I have always felt living in a desert is the real problem unless of course folks made a paradigm shift and followed Jeff Laughton's Perma- Culture model:www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: arjunanda
Well ATS, So how many Californians are coming to a town near you? I knew about the drought, but this is getting pretty heavy (Hyperbole maybe)? So, California has over ten percent of the total US Population (about 38 Million). Where are we going to put all these people? The need Housing, Jobs, Food etc. It just seems to me a rather extreme move to start a migration of people while there are other alternatives such as desalinization etc.

So, what Y"all think? Should we maybe start thinking of what it's gonna be like when we end up having A Mass Migration due to the drying up of The Southwest? Or, is this just a Load of Old Bull Puckie?

Any Comments, Rants, Raves or just Plain Common Sense you'd like to add are always most welcome. Thanks Guys and Gals for taking a read of this and Peace

Arjunanda.

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The drought in California is getting a lot worse. As you read this, snowpack levels in the Sierra Nevada mountains are the lowest that have ever been recorded. That means that there won’t be much water for California farmers and California cities once again this year. To make up the difference in recent years, water has been pumped out of the ground like crazy. In fact, California has been losing more than 12 million acre-feet of groundwater a year since 2011, and wells all over the state are going dry. Once the groundwater is all gone, what are people going to do?

100 years ago, the population of the state of California was 3 million, and during the 20th century we built lots of beautiful new cities in an area that was previously a desert. Scientists tell us that the 20th century was the wettest century in 1000 years for that area of the country, but now weather patterns are reverting back to normal. Today, the state of California is turning back into a desert but it now has a population of 38 million people. This is not sustainable in the long-term. So when the water runs out, where are they going to go?

I have written quite a few articles about the horrific drought in California, but conditions just continue to get even worse. According to NPR, snowpack levels in the Sierra Nevada mountains are “just 6 percent of the long-term average”…

The water outlook in drought-racked California just got a lot worse: Snowpack levels across the entire Sierra Nevada are now the lowest in recorded history — just 6 percent of the long-term average. That shatters the previous low record on this date of 25 percent, set in 1977 and again last year.
California farmers rely on that water. Last year, farmers had to let hundreds of thousands of acres lie fallow because of the scarcity of water, and it is being projected that this year will be even worse…

More than 400,000 acres of farmland were fallowed last year because of scarce water. Credible sources have estimated that figure could double this year.
Fortunately, many farmers have been able to rely on groundwater in recent years, but now wells are running dry all over the state. Here is more from NPR…

Last year was already a tough year at La Jolla Farming in Delano, Calif. Or as farm manager Jerry Schlitz puts it, “Last year was damn near a disaster.”

La Jolla is a vineyard, a thousand-or-so acres of neat lines of grapevines in the southern end of the San Joaquin Valley. It depends on water from two sources: the federal Central Valley Project and wells.

Until last year, Schlitz says, wells were used to supplement the federal water.

“Now, we have nothing but wells. Nothing. There’s no water other than what’s coming out of the ground,” he says.

Last year, one of those wells at La Jolla dried up. The farm lost 160 acres — about a million dollars’ worth of produce, plus the wasted labor and other resources.
Are you starting to understand the scope of the problem?

Despite all of the wonderful technology that we have developed, we are still at the mercy of the weather.

And if this drought continues to drag on, it is absolutely going to cripple a state that contains more than 10 percent of the total U.S. population.

In an attempt to fight the water shortage, Governor Jerry Brown has instituted statewide water restrictions for the first time ever…

California announced sweeping statewide water restrictions for the first time in history Wednesday in order to combat the region’s devastating drought, the worst since records began.

Governor Jerry Brown issued the declaration at a press conference in a parched, brown slope of the Sierra Nevada mountains that would normally be covered by deep snow.

“Today, we are standing on dry grass where there should be five feet (1.5 meters) of snow,” Brown said. “This historic drought demands unprecedented action.”
So what will these restrictions include?

The following is a summary from Natural News…

A ban on non-drip irrigation systems for all new homes.
A requirement for golf courses and cemeteries to “reduce water consumption.” (And yet, the very idea of green golf courses in the middle of a California desert is insane to begin with…)
Force farmers to report more details on their water usage so that the state government can figure out where all the water is going (and where to restrict it even further).
Outlawing the watering of grass on public street medians.
Discussions are also under way to throw “water wasters” in jail for up to 30 days, according to another LA Times article. The most likely source of intel for incarcerating water wasters will be neighborhood snitches who monitor water usage of nearby homes and call the authorities if they see too much water being used.
If the drought does not go on for much longer, these restrictions may be enough.

But what if it continues to intensify?

The following graphic shows the U.S. Drought Monitor map for the state of California for each of the last five years in late March…

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Something that many people do not know is that California is the real bread basket of the country, not the midwest. California produces something like 50% of all fruits and nuts produced in the US.

Not only that, it is the biggest economy out of the all of the states, by far.

Hence, if things get worse it would affect the whole country. It's too much of a key economic state. Continuing drought will impact the biggest agricultural production unit in the country, and all of the associated labor and economic impact.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: arjunanda

More than one will be too many.
We don't need people that have that mindset infecting other states.

Hmmm, you mean one of the highest education rates in the country? Or one of the most international and diverse states in the country? Or the one that is well known for leading along with New York in reforms and laws on everything from health (read no smoking in bars) to organic foods to environment....

But sure, if you don't want open mindedness and progress to infect stupidity, then stay behind the times. There is a reason that NY and CA are the top in virtually everything: economy, music, film, education, you name it.

Meanwhile, I am sure people from your state will continue gladly consuming California products: half of produce made in the US, most tech/computer products, film, music..

a reply to: arjunanda

isn't the population of illegal alienss like close to 23 million in that state send them back across the border and quit wasting money on bending arse over backwards to ensure they are taken care of. wasting resources on them that could be put toward the water problem like finishing the desalinization plants is wrong. that like 2 thirds of the states pop that would go along way toward cutting back on water consumption also shut down nestles bottling plant that is sucking up tremendous amounts of water. i tell all my friends that bottled water is bad for planet but they won't listen. it is was more expensive that just getting it out of tap and then you got to factor shipping and plastic for bottles.

a reply to: Jana12

For decades, NYC Liberals moved into South Florida and destroyed the natural and political environments. The good people moved to Central Florida. Bluebelly Commies always take over by cash and ballots and pervert everything. They voted out any livestock I guess because to them they smelled, drew bugs and made noise. Native Floridians didn't belong anymore so ranchers and farmers and decent folks moved to North Florida. South Florida is now chock-a-block Commies from I-4 down and are like a metastasizing cancer. The Left Coast of America will feel like they never left home in South Florida. I plan to sell my farm to some (unmentionable) that gets first dibs on the counterfeit being printed by the NYC Banksters and move to where people still cling to God & the Bible & Constitution & guns & love their neighbors & nature but detest the NWO anti-Christian UN Agenda 21 Commie Crud.

LMAO! "Scientists tell us that the 20th century was the wettest century in 1000 years for that area of the country, but now weather patterns are reverting back to normal. Today, the state of California is turning back into a desert..." Greatest statement of all refuting Climate Change finatics. Climate changes no matter what.

I hear Canada is nice.