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How Many People Will Have To Migrate Out Of California When All The Water Disappears?

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 08:47 PM
a reply to: BlueJacket

Just let your lawn sit, and see what happens..

Whatever grows there, well maybe it's better adapted to your yard haha..

Sorry I grew up so hippy.. My mom's yard looks almost made on purpose.. It's kind of a young foresty area, but very dynamic.. Lots of random bush type things.. It looks designed..

Only issue if you think it's an issue is millions of insects.. and the spiders that come with that.. And birds and squirrels.. Chipmunks.

They feel safe.. So many hiding spots. And we had 2 outdoor cats at that. If you've never seen a house cat jump 6 feet in the air and smack a flying bird out of the air.. You've missed out.

The old trees.. If you don't love old trees.. Grass doesn't grow super well in that kind of shade.. I can't stand flat and grassy.. It's like ahh I'm in the open...

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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 08:53 PM
a reply to: KnightLight

Oh I have seen a cat do just that! haha and I have let a lawn sit, just long enough to replace it with whatever is native. I appreciate your perspective my friend.

Oh and by the way a "lawn" implies this mowed thing, which rarely if ever goes to seed
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 08:53 PM
So basically this is the "Grapes of Wrath" in reverse ("The Wrath of Grapes")? Fitting, as it is luxury crops, especially nuts like pistachio and almond, that consume the lion's share of the water over there.

For those that don't recall, there were mass migrations to California from Oklahoma and Arkansas during the dust bowl in the 30's. I guess now the trend reverses.

posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 08:54 PM
Remember that oil pipe line Obama wont allow? Now might be good time to run some pipe up to the melting north pole and all the melting fresh water icebergs and fill up California's empty resevoirs, lake, streams etc...

May as well get it before it all melts into the ocean and becomes salt water.

posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 09:05 PM
I doubt any of them will leave. They'll all stay, no one will change their water habits, and they will expect everyone to kowtow to them and provide water.

I suspect that they will expect places like here in British Columbia to ship them water, I hope we charge them through the nose for exporting water.

posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 09:10 PM
a reply to: babybunnies

Isn't water already being shipped from the great lakes to China?
It could easily be bought at a similar price by California.

As the world works we will stall the collapse until the collapse includes almost all of us..

I like that strategy personally.


And at another angle, we may invent new technology that out runs our growth. Gotta stall lol.
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 09:15 PM
a reply to: KnightLight

I'm not actually arguing against my own existence mind you, but to play devil's advocate, how much of our advancement really improves the quality of life as opposed to the quantity? Most of our advancements allow us to have the same old experience in a smaller amount of time and space, so that there can be more other people out there doing the same thing?

What was the result of tearing down the medieval villages and entering the computer age? Millions of simulated medieval villages existing on a grain of sand in our pockets, that we occasionally look at and smile for five minutes to recover from the misery we go through to keep the simulations powered up.

So why didn't we just stay where we were?
Sure now I can step out of the medieval village and immediately find all my friends wherever they are and talk to them.
But they would have been in my medieval village- I could have just yelled out from wherever I was!
And now I can frequently hear recordings from many of the best artists I've ever heard play.
Instead of having actually been to a small concert and met EVERY artist I've ever heard play.

posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 10:14 PM
a reply to: butcherguy

There's a whole lot of room between brother's keeper and let em die.

posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 10:19 PM

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: arjunanda

More than one will be too many.
We don't need people that have that mindset infecting other states.

All anyone ever need to do if they wonder why America is such a mess is look at this post and see how completely we've allowed ourselves to become divided... to the point that we don't see each other as brothers and sisters but as a plague deserving to be starved out of existence.


If anyone is interested in how California came to be in the circumstances that it is in, just look at how they have handled things up until now.
They have plenty of feel good legislation, but they have been playing the long-legged part in the ant and grasshopper fable.

As far as your admonitions regarding me go, I fail to see why you insist on pushing the Judeo-Christian based line of me being my brother's keeper.
Keep your drivel in your church.

I fail to see the connection with this "feel-good legislation" you speak of, and California's lack of rain.

But you probably think it's them evil Liberal's fault for the lack of rain. Lol

posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 10:23 PM
a reply to: The Vagabond

You can't hear a hundred local bands?? I mean half my friends have guitars, or my ex was a music director for an acapella group that made awesome music.. I've done the math on basic needs.. You won't be getting comfortable cotton, and all these other things.. Shoes.. Just the very tip.. Then turn off your internet and cell phones forever.. Just do it.. It's not quality it's quantity?.

None of those people would be doing anything but farming, or picking cotton, spinning, weaving, hunting... We don't have the time..

I make 40,000 socks on my own in one day... I walk around and don't do much really.. You think any of us could make even one sock in a day of any similar quality?? On the same day someone will cook me a steak just for me.. So nice of them huh??

Look into the energy density alone of coal powerplants... Hot showers.. running water.. It's impossible even in bands of humans..

And then in that society the level of english and science and mathematics understanding will quickly decline.. Books get old and can't be read.. Soon the history fades...

Then it's all log cabins that will last about 300 years before melting into the ground. no one will know we did #.

Sometimes I feel like you guys have never gotten lost in the woods on purpose.. Do it.. Then figure out how cool it is to not have communication with humans..

Popular culture may not be missed by some.. but it is the vehicle for popular quality of life..
An equation of your living stature like for me example with multiple computers a car internet phones.... eating cows and chickens and whatever prepared by other people..

I'd have to be a king to have a similar life without electricity.
Information density is all human population.. Soon all you would know is what wolves sound like, and what flowers you can eat.

You will never go live in a village away from society.. You would have already done it.. Instead here you are talking to me.

What would you call the renaissance.. The same as the feudal ages??? Come on now, you are #ting on michelangelo.. And bathing and toilets?? This was a vast improvement from throwing your # in the street and being a slave.
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:04 PM
a reply to: arjunanda

How about move 'em all to Detroit? Plenty of empty homes there...and water.

Seriously, if California was real about this the big water wasters would be shut down. I mean irrigated gulf courses, marginal agricultural lands (most of California), water parks, fountains, a few industries, etc.

If they just used water for citizens to drink and wash, they would most likely be fine.

posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:07 PM

originally posted by: ABNARTY

If they just used water for citizens to drink and wash, they would most likely be fine.

Any links on water usage percentages?

Because as I see it the drought is pretty damn epic.. And based on what I understand of the climate there, and death valley not so far away.. The patterns would suggest a prolonged drought many many years out from today.

Almost all the water goes to farming.. and then next is house consumption of water.. The rest of all the business like mining, or car washes or golf courses all put together is what 10%..

Come on now over 50% of the water is only there to make food...

Mining might use a ton of water in one spot, but compared with a million homes, it isn't anything..

I imagine we will see the same as Nevada.. Importation of vast quantities of water..
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posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 11:53 PM
a reply to: arjunanda

Complex issue, lots of lies coming from multiple directions.

The citizens serfs in the cities are using too much water thus
the crack down on water wasters in the cities.

The truth is if you look at the real numbers, the private citizen uses
around 10% of the water in California.

Around 10% is used for industry.

The truth is about 80% of the water is used for Agriculture, thou
they have split off part of that and called it "environmental reasons"
because they know certain key words sell well with the public.

Water in California

If all of the agriculture stayed where the water was being used
then I'd say it might be a good idea, but actually they are doing
things like exporting hay to China...

"A hundred billion gallons of water per year is being exported in the form of alfalfa from California," argues Professor Robert Glennon from Arizona College of Law.

100 Billion gallons of water used for hay to send to China

Also many fracking wells are using water, and then dumping waste water
ruining some of the usable water.

Aquifers ruined by dumping toxic fracking waste into them

When you dig a bit deeper into the fracking debacle you find the Halliburton Loophole.

Oh boys and girls, hope you have a big spoon ready for this tasty treat....

8 chemicals the public are not allowed to know are being dumped into their water supplies

Oh man, does it get any better then that ??? Got to love a long lasting Cheney treat
for your kids !!!!

Anyways... back to other issues on the water, this one is a bit esoteric and
harder to prove.

800,000 acres have been fallowed, and it seems they are the acres where they
will not sell out to some billionaires who have been after their land for a long time.

We find out this loosely affiliated group of billionaire mega-farmers do not get
their water cut off, and the smaller independents do...

So what it looks alot like is a rehash of the former California water wars.

California Water Wars

Then we have the delta smelt issue where 300 billion gallons were diverted
into the ocean.

Delta smelt sees 300 billion gallons flushed into the ocean

So there are many factors here, some real, some not, some confusing,
and some could argue totally insane such as dumping toxic waste into
priceless Aquifers.

Its almost like someone might be wanting to create a crisis, so they could
exploit the crisis ??? Gee has that ever happened before ???

Well we can go to other countries to see this is not unique to California.

I recommend the film World Water Wars from 2008 to get a good look
at what is being done to California.

World Water Wars from 2008

So my conclusion is the lower rainfall is real, some of the other issues are
some people trying to make the matter worse so they can...

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"

Too many times the people at the top manipulate events to benefit themselves,
and this is not exclusive to the United States, but some of our corporations are
exporting their corruption all over the world and they hate this country for it.

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posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:07 AM
a reply to: KnightLight

Again, I'm not saying that I would choose not to have the comforts of civilization. I'm saying that it disproportionately benefits certain people, who logically have the means and motive to address this water problem and no doubt will do so. I point this out because I believe their inaction up until this late and critical moment is a bluff intended to make us pay a majority share of the cost for a minority share of the benefits. I say I will call their bluff- I will not be driven out of California. They may fix everything and I may happily share in the benefits because I did not "sell low" so to speak. On the other hand they may not be as smart as they think- they may screw up and really sink us into a dark age, which you are right, would suck, but more so for those responsible than for me, because those who broke the ladder they were trying to climb have further to fall than those they climbed over.

Sure I can make my lifetime supply of socks in one hour. But they aren't my socks. They're a corporations socks. All I would get for that hour is enough money to buy one package of socks that won't last very long. But I can't spend that whole hour's pay on socks. I've got fixed expenses that have to be evenly divided out of every hours work to see what surplus productivity i actually have for acquiring new socks and other things i want. When you compare apples to apples- what I can obtain for a days labor now versus then- the differences are less dramatic. Realistically I'd say the modern age might offer 5 to 10 times the productivity for me. For a monopolist or a national leader the productivity increase may indeed be thousands-fold, so let him worry about what happens to modernity.

I've been up and down- I've driven cadillacs and I've walked everywhere I went in the Mojave. I've worked camped and slept at negative ten degrees and a hundred ten degrees. I know what I'd miss. I also know I'd gain. Speaking from experience, modern comfort is great, but it could still be a passing fad- life itself has always been the main attraction, and the main problem.

posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:20 AM

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: jude11

Immigrants will be fighting other immigrants for the same jobs, we are in a serious pickle, and the rest of the country will suffer food shortages, price increases etc...Our GDP will fall tremendously as a nation effecting pour budgets ...I see no good in this at all...Nestle needs to go back to Switzerland and tap their own water to filter and sell to folks...

That is true, if California was its own nation, its economy was #8 in the world
at one time, not sure what level it is at now.

Food issues can be mitigated by hydroponics which use 10 - 20 times less water.

Take it a step further to vertical hydroponics and you can reduce most agriculture's
foot print 10 fold, but fair odds we will not do it.

This crisis will be used to push some other agenda as usual.

One man in Wisconsin grows 1 million pounds of food on 3 acres
365 days a year using compost for heat.

The solutions are out there, but again I don't seem them truly
wanting to fix this issue but use it as a tool of manipulation.

posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:29 AM

originally posted by: InFriNiTee
a reply to: arjunanda

I predict that water will have to be imported from other states.

They have been doing that for many years.

One of the largest water imports is the Colorado river.

The colorado river aqueduct

1.2 million acre feet of water per year, that is a tremendous amount of water
considering 1 acre feet of water equals 325,000 gallons.

Acre Feet

posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:46 AM

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: arjunanda

More than one will be too many.
We don't need people that have that mindset infecting other states.

All anyone ever need to do if they wonder why America is such a mess is look at this post and see how completely we've allowed ourselves to become divided... to the point that we don't see each other as brothers and sisters but as a plague deserving to be starved out of existence.


Divide and Rule is the oldest game in the book, and it keeps the
red team vs. blue team game going for decades, and most don't
see its all a charade and the political puppets are just playing their
part as they sell out to the billionaires and the campaign promises
made on both sides of the aisle are largely not kept.

As long we do not have unity, we are busy bickering with
each other rather then putting criminals in prison.

Both parties have been using the Alinksy method and spending
70% of the budget on the Military/Security Industrial Complex.

Defense, Homeland Security, Military Operations, Foreign Operations = 70%

posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:47 AM
Build a fence around the place and let them eat one another until there are only libertarians left. The peaceful lefties will supposedly sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Excellent. They should be good with BBQ sauce.

(I'm joking but it is funny)

posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 12:59 AM
Importing water is only kicking the can down the road- and its all about maintaining what you've got, not about growth. They probably will do that in the short term, at an insufficient rate, as they squeeze us, but they're long term plan really has to be making more fresh water. It's worth remembering that they have larger longer term plans that include Mexico- they'll eventually want to let the Colorado River flow and sell water down there, but they can't do that while California needs Colorado River Water.

I have long thought the answer is to dredge a canal from the Gulf of California to the Salton Sea- its below sea level, meaning you can maintain a set level by gravity and draw all you want, and at the Salton Sea you've got geothermal sources that can be used for desalination as well as a desert full of natural evaporation ponds. Plants could also be put up on the coast. It is an expensive way to go, but it has its benefits as well. It's multiple-use: it can capitalize on waste heat from power plants, it can be done in ways that correct environmental problems, it can concentrate certain chemical resources, and in methods that require the creation of inland saltwater reservoirs you could also convert non-useful land to aquaculture- one possibility being algae based biodiesel.

None of this is completely original thinking- I've been overhearing murmurings of this kind of stuff connected to the Salton Sea for decades now- I'm convinced they're just waiting for it to evaporate and dustbowl before they refill and fix it- there's about a hundred thousand working class Mexicans living next door to Gerald Ford's old house, and if they were to go look for somewhere else to live, their crumbling 60s suburban starter houses, malfunctioning 1970-80s power and water infrastructure, crumbling 90s streets, Early 2000s methlabs and brand new graffiti could all be done away with to build country clubs and indian casinos the rest of the way from Palm Springs to Bombay Beach (the Bombay Beach that was dreamed, not the Bombay Beach that exists).

We can fix this. And we will once there's nothing in it for us.

posted on Apr, 5 2015 @ 01:07 AM

originally posted by: Xeven
Remember that oil pipe line Obama wont allow? Now might be good time to run some pipe up to the melting north pole and all the melting fresh water icebergs and fill up California's empty resevoirs, lake, streams etc...

May as well get it before it all melts into the ocean and becomes salt water.

You don't need to go that far, all you would need is the Columbia.

The Columbia

An average discharge of 265,000 cu ft per SECOND...

It could top off every California reservoir by itself.

With the Colorado aqueduct being one of the current largest ones at
1,600 cu ft per second, the difference in scale is 200 to 1.

A project of this scale would be bigger then the one done to
divert a large amount of the Colorado river, but we do have
92 million working age adults without a full time job.

This could be the CCC project of the modern day.

The Civilian Conservation Corp

Instead of 3 million people, it could be 30 million, and
California's water crisis would turn into water abundance.

Bring it down along the coast so the elevation is basically flat.

The California Aqueduct is 300+ miles long.

The Colorado Aqueduct is 240+ miles long.

It would be shorter than these two combined.
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