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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: mindseye1609
You missed my point: you have a handgun and you're behind cover. He has a rifle and also has cover. He is actively shooting people. So how do you plan to get rounds close enough to him to force him to utilize cover without leaving your own cover to do so?
That's my point man. You're not a cop, you have no duty to engage a threat that has fire superiority. Why would you roll out and start trying to gun it out with a guy 100 yards away, who also has cover and a rifle, when you've got decent cover as it is? He's going to come up shooting because now you've let him know where you're at, and that you're armed which makes you an immediate threat. And that's presuming he doesn't see you trying to line up a shot to begin with.
originally posted by: mindseye1609
a reply to: Shamrock6
im not trying to be a cop. Defending yourself is far from being a cop. Luckily in my state they are smart enough to know a mandatory retreat law is ridiculous. If retreating is the best option then for sure retreat. I've said this same thing to many posters before but of retreating isn't an option, and let's shorten the range up to say 15 yards, what then?
Your getting way to carried away with needing to retreat, if retreating is the smartest move... Then retreat... But sometimes stopping the threat other ways are required, and that includes killing the threat. Why even carry if your not going to watch out for more then yourself? I understand in some states the laws are shady as can be about engaging other people's threats but in mine and many other states that's not the case. I'm not trying to justify cowboy actions but there is no reason to hamstring yourself either.
We can hypothetical all day and night and you can keep saying "dude your not a cop" all you want but that doesn't change the fact that scenarios where your require to run through all your ammo and do a very fast reload could present themselves in the real world.. and they have. Not that often but the sight that shal not be named has many many videos of concealed carry defensive shootings and a handful of them run through and mag and reload during combat.. Having the edge here was the original intention of the OP.
Also if your using basics ledge style cover like Say... A second story window sill... From 100 yards I can easily shoot a 4-5 foot group rapidly... It's gonna take a hardened operator to keep there eye in the glass when 124 grain is pinging all around them only inches away. At 100 yards I'm about 10% on a paper plate.. Now if we talking middle eastern style kill hole... A pistol isn't gonna do me any good from 25 yards really unless I'm crazy lucky. The variables really Are endless.
Let's just take it to something that's proven and real and on video.. No more what ifs..
If I'm the fatal point of a fatal funnel slow reloads are not gonna cut it, some sort of indicator in this situation that your getting low would be pretty awesome Imo.
originally posted by: greencmp
originally posted by: schuyler
During WW II our fighter pilots used tracers as the last few rounds in a "magazine" (which is where the phrase "Gave him the whole 9 yards" comes from as that's how long the clip was). So the enemy was instantly aware when you ran out of ammo. Not such a hot idea, IMO.
Tracers were put in every few rounds throughout the magazines for targeting assistance, not to indicate a spent magazine which can't be swapped out in flight anyway.
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Ha...yep...that situation would be a death wish. The second you pop up and start firing a pistol at me from 100 or more yards away and I have a rifle, I will take careful aim, knowing you won't hit anywhere close to me, and let one shot go....that should do it.