Where is the Outrage to close Muslim bakeries for not serving Gays?

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
a reply to: kaylaluv



Meanwhile (even though it's apparent that no one wants to address it), the Muslim bakeries engage in what the Memories Pizzeria is accused of, and they get a pass. Why? Quite simply, Christians are okay to attack and smear, while Muslims are not.

Not true. Nowhere did any Muslim baker in the video say they wouldn't sell a cake for a gay wedding. They implied (although the video was heavily edited so it's a little unclear) that they wouldn't decorate the cake in the manner that the fake gay guy requested. There was even one part where the baker was going through his catalog to show the guy what decorations they would do. That tells me they were willing to sell him a cake for the wedding, just not with the decoration he requested.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Kali74

the point is there is no media splash, no internet tumoil or social media attacks against any of these Muslim Businesses who wont bake a Gay wedding cake.

So it would look as if the GTLB community only wants to attack Christian owned businesses. this truly shows their biased hate.

Lol, no.

Can you show me Muslim bakers who have said on national TV that they would not serve gays? I'm sure that some exist somewhere, as there are Muslim extremists just as there are Christians.

But let's be honest here, the predominant religion here in the US that tries to project its beliefs on the rest of us, our laws, and rights, is Christianity, not Islam. This is why it catches flack in the US.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Good point. I feel silly for missing that.

originally posted by: grey580
Just out of curiosity.

If a black owned bakery was asked by a KKK member to cater his wedding.

Would it be ok for the baker to deny service?

That is totally and utterly different.

Your logic does not work.

A KKK member and organization is actively anti-black. KKK has committed violence against Blacks in the past. The very beliefs of the KKK seek to suppress Blacks.... So no, a Black owned bakery should not have to. Just as a Jewish baker shouldn't have to cater a Nazi wedding.

This is very different for gay people, who simply want to get married and exist. They do not have any unified platform that seeks to oppress, hurt, or stop people from being Christian. BIG difference.

a reply to: ProfessorChaos

I'll address it.

Its irrelevant.

Its just a piss poor attempt to try and divert the argument away from one set of bigots on to what may be another set of bigots, playing on using muslims as the big bad national bogeyman. Its childish in fact.

The original people who discriminate are still bigots. That hasn't changed.

originally posted by: DYepes
First off, I believe any business owner has the right to refuse any gay couple anything. I really dont care. But it clearly shows that LGBT want to specifically target Christian businesses because deep inside many of them harbor absolute hate for churches and Christian followers of God.

Muslims businesses however should be forced to follow the same laws if thats the route the legislation is going to go.

That is patently ridiculous. LGBT simply want to not be discriminated against. That IS NOT the same thing as "hating churches and Christian followers of God."

Thanks for the ye olde "us poor Christians are persecuted," when in reality this very issue is related to Christian fundamentalists persecuting the LGBT community.

originally posted by: neformore
a reply to: ChesterJohn

And?

Strawman arguments.

Bigots are bigots. There are bigots from everywhere.

I admit, It's clever propaganda tying in Muslims to try and bring on another hate fest, against them and divert attention, but that's all it is.

It doesn't stop people being bigots, does it?

Also, generally speaking in America it is mostly Christians that have the power to make laws and discriminate. Most politicians at least superficially identify as Christian. Muslims don't really have the power to institute discrimination, nor do they have the electoral numbers to affect that much. Christians do, from gay marriage to all kinds of other issues.

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
So again, where is the outrage?

One example of a Muslim bakery legally discriminating is nothing compared the the billions of dollars spent each year by vast organizations (conservative, fundamentalist, Christian organizations) whose specific goal is to deny rights to gay people.

The largest Muslim Organization in the US SUPPORTS LGBT rights. Source

If and when a Muslim bakery actually breaks the law and discriminates against a gay person, you'll probably hear about it. It's JUST AS WRONG! But Muslims don't have NEAR the reputation in the US for denying others their rights as Christians do.

Besides, just because a Muslim does it, doesn't mean it's OK for Christians to do it. Let a Muslim do it in Colorado or New Mexico, where it's illegal and see what happens. Unless you're comparing apples to apples, the comparison is just a lame attempt to justify bigoted behavior.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Kali74

the point is there is no media splash, no internet tumoil or social media attacks against any of these Muslim Businesses who wont bake a Gay wedding cake.

So it would look as if the GTLB community only wants to attack Christian owned businesses. this truly shows their biased hate.

Muslims account for 0.6% of the population lol

And LBGT account for between 2-6%. But we certainly have to prioritize marriage and equality for a small percentage, over more pressing matters that affect all regardless of orientation. /s

Note- Equality is not something I have a problem with.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: grey580
Just out of curiosity.

If a black owned bakery was asked by a KKK member to cater his wedding.

Would it be ok for the baker to deny service?

That is totally and utterly different.

Your logic does not work.

A KKK member and organization is actively anti-black. KKK has committed violence against Blacks in the past. The very beliefs of the KKK seek to suppress Blacks.... So no, a Black owned bakery should not have to. Just as a Jewish baker shouldn't have to cater a Nazi wedding.

This is very different for gay people, who simply want to get married and exist. They do not have any unified platform that seeks to oppress, hurt, or stop people from being Christian. BIG difference.

I don't disagree with anything you have said.

However we are saying that it's ok to deny service to "certain people". If we don't agree with what they have done / may have done in the past or might do / will do in the future. If we deem that behavior as "evil".

I think everyone needs to think this one out. Why do we say it's ok to discriminate in certain cases and not others?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I don't see any GTLB outrage in yesterday's thread. Plus this thread makes specific statments and asks specific questions as to why the GTLB community is not doing the exact same to these Muslim Businesses as it did to the Pizzeria.

This same topic is on another thread.

One anti-Christian answered this type of question by saying

"Muslims will chop your head off if you do anything to them, Christians won't, so you push back where you can."

So, they know Christians will basically be nice about the whole thing.


The LGBT community, the liberals/progressives are upset about
cakes in the US.
But they don't give anywhere near the kind of energy toward
helping the real bigotry where gays are being
beheaded, lashed, killed for being gay.
That is where the real evil and bigotry is.

But does the LGBT community, the libs, the progressives
really care, it appears from their lack of outrage
over the killing of gays for being gay, that
they don't really care.

As long as the LGBT's in the US can get their cake
they don't care if gays in other countries are
killed for being gay.

If the LGBT community, libs, progressives were
really honest about stopping discrimination
against gays
they'd put as much energy into protesting
boycotting etc the killing of gays
as they do for cake, flowers and pizza.

But as one poster said in the other thread,
what should we care about backward
people in other countries?

That is the response of a spoiled brat who
thinks getting his/her cake is more
important than stopping the murder
of people for just being gay.

a reply to: neformore

I was only trying to point out how large the Muslim community truly is. Few even know. The reason I highlighted the extremist/diehard amount is to show how many people would more then likely want to "deny service" but we rarely hear of it.

I've read many times that the number of Muslims in the United states is vastly underestimated due to many not being 100% up front out of fear of discrimination.

Not saying any of this is a bad thing, or something to be feared all that much. I was only trying to highlight that there is quite a few Muslims abound including in the US and if a Muslim baker flat out refused service to someone simply because they were gay and not because they were being offensive in some way, then that's very hypocritical we don't see it all over the news(much like the op suggests)

In the case of th video it's not really the same thing, this has been stated plenty of times, but if it was the same type of incident the news should act the same.

The liberal left are the pawns of the communist agenda in the United States.

Antonio Gramsci - Marxist Communist

The first stratagem was the assault on Christianity by arguing religion should not inform or be employed in public discourse.

The pathway to socialist oppression is no longer bloody revolutions. The omnipresent dialectic process is far more subtle and effective. Enhanced by the steady drumbeat of the media's pervasive, suggestive and anti-Christian stimuli, minds are dulled and the masses indoctrinated everywhere.

Antonio Gramsci was the first Communist leader to see through the illusion. While firmly committed to global Communism, he knew that that violence would fail to win the West. American workers (proletariat) would never declare war on their middle class neighbors as long as they shared common Christian values.

Even such a pervasive blueprint as that would not work in the end, however, unless Gramsci could successfully target Marxism’s greatest enemy. ... the Christianity that had created and still pervaded Western culture in all its forms, activities and expressions. .... For this purpose, Gramsci felt the timing was rather good. For though Christianity appeared on the surface to be strong, it had for some time been debilitated by unceasing attacks against the failing remnant of Christianity. ... Marxists must change the residually Christian mind... so that it would become not merely a non-Christian mind but an anti-Christian mind.

...he needed to get individuals and groups in every class and station of life to think about life’s problems without reference to the Christian transcendent, without reference to God and the laws of God. He needed to get them to react with antipathy and positive opposition to any introduction of Christian ideals or the Christian transcendent into the treatment and solution of the problems of modern life.

From Marx to Lenin, Gramsci & Alinsky

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
The liberal left are the pawns of the communist agenda in the United States.

Antonio Gramsci - Marxist Communist

Sure they are. Uh huh. Who else is going to balance out the Conservative Right Fascists if we don't have the Liberal Left Communists though??? Someone has to do it.

You should go bake a cake, it will make you feel better.

First of all, there might not be a shop "down the street" that is more suitable for baking gay wedding cakes if the gay couple lives in an intolerant town. That is one reason why it should be illegal to refuse service to people because they are gay.

When it comes to Muslims, I think they have a worse track record than Christians with how they treat gay people - like the video says, the Muslims kill people for being gay. I don't think that gets a free pass, I think that is even more messed up.

a reply to: darkbake
well perhaps then people should be getting creative?? If I were a gay couple (lets just play pretend), maybe I would go to craigslist and search for people who are unemployed with good baking/cooking experience?? Hell may even save 15% on the wedding!!

I would be happy to step in as an intermediary for gay couples needing to find quality bakers for low prices (a customary %5-%10 would be nice)! Bake a better cake for a lower price, refer everyone there with some kind of discount incentive, and the intolerant businesses will be forced to change their way from lack of business by a subtle boycott of course. I plead that pople Please just stop asking the government to get involved.

History says if you are brave enough to defy the natural order of life, you should find a way to deal with on your own. Stop bringing in big bad bullies to step and violate the beliefs and disagreements of opinion.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

After seeing all the BS about cakes, and walking around somewhere to see who talks to you and how offensive it is to be talked to; i've come to the realisation that most of you folk in the US behave in the most petty, spiteful and selfish way imaginable.

Really, you'd rather tear your country apart and trap each other into manufacturing mutual hatred than helping your fellow man.

You are a nation in name only.

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
You just seem unwilling to grasp the fact that this story points out that hypocrisy is on full display by the LGBT activists, by trying to paint this as 'Christians going after Muslims', rather than what it is.

Someone else that thinks 0.6% of the population is comparable to 76%......in a predominately christian country.......

And to finish it off you play the Christian victim card in a thread about Christians and their bigotry towards the LGBT community.

originally posted by: IntroduceALittleIrony
And LBGT account for between 2-6%. But we certainly have to prioritize marriage and equality for a small percentage, over more pressing matters that affect all regardless of orientation. /s

Equality should always be a priority in the land of the free no? or in any civilization....and lets not forget this is due to lawmakers putting in place a law that decriminalizes/allows discrimination.

Didn't they have more pressing matters?.....

Note- Equality is not something I have a problem with.

I don't think that word means what you think it means....

a reply to: mOjOm

I baked a cake once, a double layer cake. it turned out OK but I like baking bread better.