Inuit elders warn NASA, the earth has shifted

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

No one claimed it was an epic change. About 6.5 inches actually. But still it's true it's not something made up. It's also not something anyone would notice.

I was just confirming your post and in agreement

a reply to: artistpoet

Oh. It's sounded like it was trivializing it. Ok. It's early. I am halfway thru my second cup of coffee so the fog should life soon. Sorry. GOOD MORNING. Nice to meet you. Thanks for clarifying that.

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
a reply to: DelMarvel

There are plenty of credible valid links that show that the 9.0 earthquake in Japan in March 2011 moved the earths axis by a few degrees. This isn't some doom porn nonsense. This actually happened.



www.nasa.gov...

No way! For the earth's axis to move even one degree it would have to move over 100 kilometers and as indicated in your link the movement was around 6 inches. And that was just the figure axis not the rotational axis so it would have had no effect on the apparent position of the stars in any case. And a six inch movement could not have been detected by any naked eye observation anyway. Nowhere remotely close.

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

No prob

I often do the same ... Because trivialising does occur ... enjoy your coffee and good day to you

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
a reply to: DelMarvel

There are plenty of credible valid links that show that the 9.0 earthquake in Japan in March 2011 moved the earths axis by a few degrees. This isn't some doom porn nonsense. This actually happened.



www.nasa.gov...

From your link:

The calculations also show the Japan quake should have shifted the position of Earth's figure axis (the axis about which Earth's mass is balanced) by about 17 centimeters (6.5 inches), towards 133 degrees east longitude. Earth's figure axis should not be confused with its north-south axis; they are offset by about 10 meters (about 33 feet). This shift in Earth's figure axis will cause Earth to wobble a bit differently as it rotates, but it will not cause a shift of Earth's axis in space—only external forces such as the gravitational attraction of the sun, moon and planets can do that.

So no, the Earth's rotational axis did NOT move.

What moved then? The Earth's "wobble" is what basically moved.

The Earth's wobble takes over 25,000 years to complete on revolution. Stars do change their position in the sky because of this, but it happens so slowly that none of us that are alive now will see this change (nor will it affect our climate)

a reply to: DYepes

Here, this image should help you out:



The Earth's magnetic pole is what a compass points too. It's a magnetic field that surrounds the Earth, and like a magnet it has a north and south pole.
This field moves around due to changes inside the Earth that generates this magnetic field. It actually reverses itself over time, and has done some many times in Earth's past. We know this because of molten rock that has cooled with the materials inside it that are affected by the magnetic field and which direction they point in when they cooled enough to become solid rock.

Here's an animated GIF, showing the field moving (from the year 1590 to 1990) to give you an idea of how it's the field that is moving, and not the Earth's physical North/South pole:

a reply to: eriktheawful

The Earth's wobble takes over 25,000 years to complete on revolution. Stars do change their position in the sky because of this, but it happens so slowly that none of us that are alive now will see this change (nor will it affect our climate)

As you say the position of the stars will hardly be noticed over a lifetime ... Every 72 years the movement is 1 degree

However ... Is the "Wobble" the same thing as the tilt or is the "Wobble" what occurs within the angle of the tilt it being approx 23 degrees ... I am thinking the wobble is the variance in the tilt which also does change however small

Not being a smart ass just wondering

"Earth’s tilt is not always precisely the same. Every 41,000 years the tilt fluctuates between 22.1 degrees and 24.5 degrees"

frontierscientists.com...

a reply to: artistpoet

The "wobble" is a nutation that is present in the Earth's precession. Normally when we are taught about precession, we're presented with a diagram like this:



In reality, the Earth is not a perfect sphere, and, like a washing machine who's load has become unbalanced during it's spin cycle, the Earth "wobbles" along that circle:



This was discovered back in the 1890's by a guy named Seth Chandler, and is some times called the Chandler Wobble.

The image above is an exaggeration of the wobble so you can see it.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Ah! Of course ... Thanks for the info ... the second diagram and example of the washing machine with uneven load explains it well

a reply to: artistpoet

No problem.

When things are explained, we normally use what I call "clean geometry" because it gives an easier concept for people. Reality on the other hand, is a bit more ugly and dirty, heh. We tend to think of the Earth as a perfect sphere, when of course it's not actually that because it's mass is not evenly distributed around it.

a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

No it won't. You are correct. I'm not supporting the opinions of the OP just making a point that it has in fact changed. Just not so anyone would notice.

a reply to: Gothar>>>> It seems like the seasons have shifted, like the seasons have shifted two weeks or even a month later than what we knew them to be. Summer seems to hang on into October, then Winter seems to drag on into early April, and Summer doesn't really warm up until late June. I can remember October having frost and April being much greener and warmer than its been the last 10 years or so. This is in SE Pa. The seasons don't seem any warmer or colder than they used to be, they just seem to arrive later.

Didn't the sun rise 2 days early not so long ago in Greenland? Or was the still due to the horizon "melting"?

Sometimes I wonder if we listened to the people who have stayed connected to the earth rather than the rest of us. We might learn a thing or two.

OR... our technology is far superior and can tell us more than their rooted knowledge of the earth?

a reply to: MrConspiracy

Sometimes I wonder if we listened to the people who have stayed connected to the earth rather than the rest of us. We might learn a thing or two.

OR... our technology is far superior and can tell us more than their rooted knowledge of the earth?

I think both are worth listening to ... and a dialogue between NASA and the Inuit can only be a good thing ... both have something to learn from the other as in any form of civil discussion ...

The sun is setting further to the north in summer.I have noticed the change over the last 10 years.

a reply to: Sunwolf

The sun is setting further to the north in summer.I have noticed the change over the last 10 years.

Not disputing what you noticed ... but have you measured this in any way ... can you give more detail

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
Sometimes I wonder if we listened to the people who have stayed connected to the earth rather than the rest of us. We might learn a thing or two.

OR... our technology is far superior and can tell us more than their rooted knowledge of the earth?

If the "Elders" are saying the sun is appearing in the wrong place because the earth has moved, then yes, our technology is far superior and their "rooted knowledge" is no better than what some old guy in a trailer out in the county has to say. As I said before, these folks are not "rooted." They are not living in the same place they lived in even a relatively few decades ago and they are using snowmobiles and boats with GPS units that would not work if the earth had shifted on its axis.

Abrupt changes are happening now all over the world, so it may be the time to re-evaluate myths/folklore and prepare.

originally posted by: Sunwolf
The sun is setting further to the north in summer.I have noticed the change over the last 10 years.

Absolutely not true. Sorry.

Just for grins I have kept very close track of the relative position of the North Star ever since seeing people making these claims online and it has not "moved" at all which it would have had to if the sun were setting in different places than previously.