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HIDDEN CAMERA: Gay Wedding Cake At Muslim Bakeries

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posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm
There was nothing "Xtian" about this video. It was just showing that the public refuses to criticize a religion whose intolerance of the homosexual community (at least on a global scale) is infinitely more troubling, and that perceived discrimination is found here in the states as well. That you refuse you to acknowledge that only better illustrates your own bias towards a specific faith. Which, by the way, kinda makes you bigot trash.




posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Annee




Businesses require a government license, which business owner must adhere to.


provided the secular government hasn't decided beforehand that any violation by specific groups, no matter how small the violation, be blown out of proportion and paraded around as evidence that said group is a blight on society. we can all smell the holocaust from here. just so you know.


What exactly does that mean?

Not allowing religion to discriminate by having business regulations - - - means we are headed toward totalitarian rule?



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Not sure if you'd noticed or not, but these places aren't refusing to serve. They're perfectly happy to make a cake for anyone. A specific cake that goes against their religious beliefs, that are protected by the constitution by the way? That's something entirely different. If you can't see that, then there's probably no helping you. Some of us still care about constitutional rights though.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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I know that Christians post these things to take the heat off themselves and say "LOOK The Muslims are worse than us" and other such crap but you know what??

All this proves is that Religion is full of ignorant, hateful people.
Nobody thinks that only Christians discriminate and that Christianity is alone in its backward ass views and ideas.
Religion, major Abrahamic religions, are poisonous and a detriment to a peaceful and tolerant existence on this planet.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: Annee

it works like this:

- approve gay marriage or we're gonna say you're homophobic gay bashing ignorant bigoted assholes.
- gay marriage is approved.
- do whatever gay people ask of your business (provided it isn't illegal) or we're gonna say you're homophobic gay bashing ignorant bigoted assholes.

what if i just don't feel like it? i have the right as a human being (notice i didn't say as an american, cause that part is flippin' irrelevant), to do what i want, when i feel like it. and if you say otherwise, you're clearly missing the point of being human. being human does not mean you are an instrument of the government. it means you are an instrument of the planet, nature, god, whatever. you are not some owned item to be manipulated. you comprende?



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: undo

You think you have the right to kill people? Or steal from people?



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: neveroddoreven99
a reply to: mOjOm
There was nothing "Xtian" about this video. It was just showing that the public refuses to criticize a religion whose intolerance of the homosexual community (at least on a global scale) is infinitely more troubling, and that perceived discrimination is found here in the states as well. That you refuse you to acknowledge that only better illustrates your own bias towards a specific faith. Which, by the way, kinda makes you bigot trash.


If the Muslims refused to provide the exact same cake to the fake gay guy that they sell to everyone else - I would criticize them for that. But that isn't what happened.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Annee

it works like this:

- approve gay marriage or we're gonna say you're homophobic gay bashing ignorant bigoted assholes.
?


There is only Marriage Equality. Everyone has the right to Marriage.

It is not gay marriage.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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Is it bigoted and discriminatory for a specific group of citizens to selectively single out one particular religion for condemnation and persecution, when another religion practicing the exact same thing is not treated in the same manner?

Is not that group of citizens practicing discrimination and exhibiting bigotry?



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: neveroddoreven99
a reply to: mOjOm
There was nothing "Xtian" about this video. It was just showing that the public refuses to criticize a religion whose intolerance of the homosexual community (at least on a global scale) is infinitely more troubling, and that perceived discrimination is found here in the states as well. That you refuse you to acknowledge that only better illustrates your own bias towards a specific faith. Which, by the way, kinda makes you bigot trash.


If the Muslims refused to provide the exact same cake to the fake gay guy that they sell to everyone else - I would criticize them for that. But that isn't what happened.


This is the same as that other case where the guy tried to get a baker to write anti-gay stuff on a cake.

She was not Muslim.

I'm sick of Christians who can't win their own battle - - - so they have to attack Muslims.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: neveroddoreven99

The video was a bait trap, it was done specifically to get a reaction or no reaction, it was done to prove a point. Not only that but even more was being asked than is typical. How do you expect people to get up in arms about what happened when it's being presented with a you're all #tards bias for not going nuts over a set up you're all rubbing in our faces when it's gotten no media attention and no one even knows about it? Nothing has occurred to get attention for it other than people like you right now pointing out that it has no attention. Partly because it's not christian, as a nation where most people are christian, such things explode more because well it's important to christians too. Half of the reason things went so viral with the other stuff was all the christians up in arms about it discriminating against them.

Two major differences, the original bakery shop had an actual lawsuit because it was a real non fabricated incident, it was not a set up, this lawsuit is what got attention, not the act itself, no one even knew about it til WAY WAY WAY after the fact. Had there been no lawsuit that got traction no one would have heard about. As for the pizzeria it was in mainstream media and thus exposed for all to see, not just some bs like this was.

The only time most are even aware this incident occurred is when it's pointed out no one is up in arms about it, which is precisely because A: it was a setup, and B: is being presented in a hostile manner, you're trying to goad people into reacting strongly against the muslims by calling them hypocrites if they don't, whether thinking the muslims are bigots or not no one REACTS well to coercion. Which is what this is.

The whole situation stinks of B.S. and when that's the case, frankly no one wants to get involved.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

Is it bigoted and discriminatory for a specific group of citizens to selectively single out one particular religion for condemnation and persecution, when another religion practicing the exact same thing is not treated in the same manner?

Is not that group of citizens practicing discrimination and exhibiting bigotry?



Politics: Right Wing Christian Lobby.

Christians in America trying to force people to adhere to their belief through politics.

When is the last time you heard of the Muslim Lobby?



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: undo

You think you have the right to kill people? Or steal from people?


no, of course not. you're missing the point. what if hard core christians took over the government (shudder), and demanded that you provide them services that you don't want to provide because you find whatever it is, consciencely offensive (like the decision to remove christmas regalia from public spaces, even though it's really not a christian tradition (doh), on the basis that it violates church and state (that is absolutely hilarious). would you do so even though it was loosely interpreted (any time rights of one group violates the rights of another group you have wobbly law, loosely interpreted to the benefit of whichever group the government smiles upon). you sure as hell would hope there was enough leeway in the law to allow you to refuse that service to them. this is your right as a human being.

since when did religious groups lose that ability? this is a serious question!



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Is it bigoted and discriminatory for a specific group of citizens to selectively single out one particular religion for condemnation and persecution, when another religion practicing the exact same thing is not treated in the same manner?

Is not that group of citizens practicing discrimination and exhibiting bigotry?



Politics: Right Wing Christian Lobby.

Christians in America trying to force people to adhere to their belief through politics.

When is the last time you heard of the Muslim Lobby?


CAIR.
www.cair.com...



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: undo

Here's what I think, and it's quite simple: You should not be able to refuse to sell a product or service to one group of people that you are willing to sell to everyone else. If there is a product that you don't want to sell (like porn toys or penis cakes or satanic ritual devices or crucifixes, or pork products, or alcohol, etc.), then as a business owner, you should not be forced to sell it to ANYONE.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Is it bigoted and discriminatory for a specific group of citizens to selectively single out one particular religion for condemnation and persecution, when another religion practicing the exact same thing is not treated in the same manner?

Is not that group of citizens practicing discrimination and exhibiting bigotry?



Politics: Right Wing Christian Lobby.

Christians in America trying to force people to adhere to their belief through politics.

When is the last time you heard of the Muslim Lobby?


CAIR.
www.cair.com...


Yes, I am aware of that.

And that compares to the Right Wing Christian Lobby how?



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: undo

Here's what I think, and it's quite simple: You should not be able to refuse to sell a product or service to one group of people that you are willing to sell to everyone else. If there is a product that you don't want to sell (like porn toys or penis cakes or satanic ritual devices or crucifixes, or pork products, or alcohol, etc.), then as a business owner, you should not be forced to sell it to ANYONE.


oh i agree but forcing our view on people who don't, is the equivalent of forcing non-christians to provide services to christians, that they personally don't want to provide. it's the same banana. if i go into a satanic bookshop and ask them to provide christian texts on their shelves, since they provide books of various other religions, should they be forced to do so? i don't think they should. do you?



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: ladyinwaiting No one is refusing to serve a gay couple, or black person, or anything else. They're refusing to cater to a very specific request that goes against their constitutionally protected religious freedom. Wanna buy a cake? Great! Want me to write something on it that goes against my values? It's like your saying a black person walks into a cake store and asks for a nude picture of themselves on the cake. The owner refuses and you say it's because he's black.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: undo

Here's what I think, and it's quite simple: You should not be able to refuse to sell a product or service to one group of people that you are willing to sell to everyone else. If there is a product that you don't want to sell (like porn toys or penis cakes or satanic ritual devices or crucifixes, or pork products, or alcohol, etc.), then as a business owner, you should not be forced to sell it to ANYONE.


oh i agree but forcing our view on people who don't, is the equivalent of forcing non-christians to provide services to christians, that they personally don't want to provide. it's the same banana. if i go into a satanic bookshop and ask them to provide christian texts on their shelves, since they provide books of various other religions, should they be forced to do so? i don't think they should. do you?


No, they should not have to provide Christian texts on their shelves. However, if a Christian walks in and wants to buy one of their satanic books off the shelf, they should not be able to refuse to sell it to them because they are Christian.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: neveroddoreven99
a reply to: ladyinwaiting No one is refusing to serve a gay couple, or black person, or anything else. They're refusing to cater to a very specific request that goes against their constitutionally protected religious freedom. Wanna buy a cake? Great! Want me to write something on it that goes against my values? It's like your saying a black person walks into a cake store and asks for a nude picture of themselves on the cake. The owner refuses and you say it's because he's black.



What if a gay couple wants a baker to make a generic wedding cake with no writing or specific decoration on it?




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