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I don't pay my council tax for this level of welfare!

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posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: MrsNonSpecific

I see your only recourse is to more giving in this socialistic system so she can have the same niceties that you enjoy. Of course, you will have less of a result. What is it Mrs. Thatcher once said. "Sooner or later in a socialistic system you run out of other people's money." That seems to be evident here. Go tell the council that you want to pay more.

Or get authorities to force the father to pay child support, or if she is yet underage over there, get the parents to HAVE to take her in.

In the end, I wonder just what system are you complaining about, family, society, or laws.




posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 01:00 AM
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You have to be an immigrant to get anything in the uk .
And that's the truth



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 01:58 AM
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originally posted by: Aliensun
What is it Mrs. Thatcher once said. "Sooner or later in a socialistic system you run out of other people's money." That seems to be evident here.

One only needs to look at the glut and excess in landfills, to know that we humans are a throw-away society (by design), so I do not buy into there not being enough for everyone to have the basics. If there is going to be any kind of welfare, they need to do it right...and surely a cooker or stove and a bed is the least that can and should be done.

As well, we are fully advanced enough today to build items that are of high quality and will last for years. However, having things break down and needing to be replaced is what keeps this whole sham of a system going. There is no pride behind creation anymore, merely profit$ to be made.


To the OP, I too will send good thoughts towards this lady & her baby, may they only look forward to positive days ahead. She is very blessed to have you in her life; if we all took it upon ourselves to lift up others whom have had a difficult start, we'd see one beautiful society appear before our eyes. Sometimes that lifting up need only be the words we use.
edit on 3-4-2015 by MoonBlossom because: Spelling



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: nonspecific

The stupid tonight is hurting my head.

WALLPAPER? I'm sorry for shouting but, WALLPAPER? Who the frick cares about WALLPAPER my God, paint the walls white and make sure the person has a bed? I feel like I live in a world where 9 out of 10 people are idiots.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 02:14 AM
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And that baby will be in a 1 bed flat with her own baby in 16 years time and it goes on and on and on. Say NO to the sperm. It doesn't feed you or put a roof over your head. It doesn't love you. When will young women Wake up and grow a pair.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: sussy
And that baby will be in a 1 bed flat with her own baby in 16 years time and it goes on and on and on. Say NO to the sperm. It doesn't feed you or put a roof over your head. It doesn't love you. When will young women Wake up and grow a pair.


That depends. You can keep saying that there is a problem, (on and on and on) or you can do what you can to change the circumstances, so that the next generation can do better.

If nobody ever steps up, yet keeps on complaining - you get the society we have today.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 03:31 AM
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a reply to: Aliensun

The father does live with her but he is also a victim of his own family history as his father lives in a flat over the road in the same estate.

I just don't understand how anyone can feel that having no stove, fridge or a hygienic flooring is an acceptable way for the government to house vulnerable people.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: MoonBlossom

The worsted thing about it is the flat did have flooring. The council rip it out before a new tenant moves in.

chucked it in the bin, which is how I think Jamie found carpet in the bin to drag out and put in her flat. She is a waste not want to kinda gal.

If the council paid to fumigate the flat after tenants leave, they wouldn't have to pay a bloke to rip carpets out and it would be cheaper than paying him for his time.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 04:01 AM
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a reply to: MoonBlossom

The government do teach the young about sex education. The government do teach the young job choices. The government do provide wealthfare to the young. But the young don't care. They want sex, they want babies they want free housing and they don't want to have to pay for it. 1 girl, 400 pound a month, 1 baby 1 jobless father. Times that by 10, 10,000, Schools provide excellent teaching and equipment for the young to fasilitate any education they want. Any job they want. Never have schools had so much money and state of the art equipment for them to use. But a bit of loving and a quick romp with no protection and it's another uneducated mouth to feed. And guess who feeds all these babies and puts a roof over these young girls heads....the tax payer. You know the ones that get up every day, get their arses out of bed, go to work, do a full days grafting work then come home knackered, pay their own bills, buy their own food and maybe might be able to fit in a bit of sex if your not too tired.
I am so fed up of ignorant people who have no idea how the working force is pissed off with the I'ts my Right Sector of todays youth.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 04:18 AM
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a reply to: sussy

Education is not everything.

Another teenager I know also lived on a council estate, she is currently at uni studying Architecture. And the one thing that she had that Jamie didn't was a loving supportive mother to see her right.

So a little bit of love and respect from your fellow family is more important. Who is to say she will always be in this council flat, and not go back to college, or back to work.

The point of the post, is that if I pay my council tax and I work hard, I also would like more sex on occasion. This does not mean that when the council puts a young family in a flat they should not provide them with the ability to cook and clean for themselves.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 05:07 AM
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a reply to: MrsNonSpecific

Thats my point the council are not oblidge to give them anything. They have given a roof over their head. If they want to cook then get young jimmy ( THE FATHER) out on paper rounds and earn the hundred quid to buy 1.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 05:13 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Just to play devils advocate

Why should my taxes be spent on putting a single teenage mum up in a council house, let alone also pay for her furniture.

Birth control. Problem solved.

Honestly this entitlement society is doing my head in.



I completely agree.

Council tax is for local authority services for the whole community, not selfish children who don't use contraception to instantly have a life-in-a-box. Yes, her parents should be MADE to pay for their offspring having more offspring.

So here we have a young girl who will be milking the system for the next fifteen years or so and then possibly the same for her children etc etc etc.

The entitlement mentality has gone far enough and it's time responsibility was taken by those who breed for their own mess.


Edit to add: A TV is a LUXURY, if the OP REALLY cared then they would buy her things like nappies, baby food and USEFUL things for this new child so she doesn't suck even more from an already overused system. Kinda sums up the mentality if you ask me.
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posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: sussy

So you are telling me you could walk into this flat look her in the eye and say 'you have got enough, what more do you need?'



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 05:30 AM
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a reply to: MrsNonSpecific

I would walk into her flat, slap her silly face and say you knew you were going to have a baby from month 1, what did you do to provide for you and your babies needs. Jack #. Because the lovely young lady was expecting the council to provide ti.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 06:04 AM
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I have just done done some basic google research and here is some monetary food for thought.

In Swindon to put one child through one years secondary school education it costs £4,563 per year.


www.bbc.co.uk..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Cost of Education

In order for one person to pay through their taxes for that one's child education they would have to earn £38,000 per year. And that is all you are paying for, nothing else.

So when you 'my taxes'- your taxes don't go very far.

Most of the government's money in their budget goes on pensions, not on social care for those that have found themselves in circumstances that they need help getting themselves through.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 06:13 AM
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a reply to: MrsNonSpecific

Yes, it seems as if there is no shortage of sense when it comes to cost analysis - the carpet could be cleaned for less. I have to wonder if they included light bulbs honestly, or removed them before the new tenant arrived too... *facepalm*

When I think of all the money that is wasted in this world, this kind of thing just boggles.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: nerbot

Jamie was in full time work, she has paid some of her dues. At this moment in time, in order for her to look after her baby she needs help, but putting her in an empty flat with nothing in it is not an acceptable environment for someone to have to cope with whilst having just given birth.

She is grateful for the flat, and now has somewhere safe for her to raise the baby, but they did not provide her any other means of doing anything else. How are her parents expected to pay for stuff if they themselves are on a low income? They can give her clothes, and nappies for the baby. I doubt they can afford to get her a cooker.

The fact is a cooker was in there and the council paid a gas engineer to take it out and cap the pipe off. They have even put in electrics for them to have a fully electric oven. Why do all that work, and pay for someone to do that and not give them a cooker? I am saying with the government's buying power they could have a stock of cheap white goods to put into flats like these.

And her parents aren't perfect, her mother has even been round, and why she didn't go 'My daughter is not staying here' and make other arrangements I have no idea. It was very hard when I went there last night not to get Jamie to come home with me.

I am giving her a TV as she has no money do to anything else other than to look after her baby and herself. She can't spend time cooking- she has no cooker!



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 06:21 AM
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originally posted by: sussy
a reply to: MrsNonSpecific

I would walk into her flat, slap her silly face and say you knew you were going to have a baby from month 1, what did you do to provide for you and your babies needs. Jack #. Because the lovely young lady was expecting the council to provide ti.



Two 15 year olds in my granddaughters school both pregnant (not quite

in the same situation as that girl is in at present, because still staying with

respective parents) spend their time discussing latest fashionable *names*

and how they are going to *dress* their babies?

Should have been given one of those *life* dolls?


No thoughts given as to who will be supporting the basic needs of that baby

because as per usual the tax payer will be subsidising the needs of their babies!



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 06:23 AM
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a reply to: sussy

I understand where you are coming from, really I do. However all of the education in the world isn't going to help everyone equally...as everyone comes from a different background in life, some with support and love - & some with none. How they intuit education, the reasons they seek love to replace what they missed out on, how they see themselves are all going to be factors in the outcome of the individual.

Since we do live where welfare is used, I agree with the OP that we can do a little better than a roof without a stove! Consider money spent on wars, politics etc. - wouldn't you rather it spent on it "taking a village to raise a child" - if in the long run, generations could improve their circumstances? There would be less crime I'd wager too, if we took a stand that no one should be left behind. If the choice is between war or poverty, I know where I would want my tax money to go.

Do note that I am not advocating for mansions here, but if children are the future, then letting them suffer is clearly the last thing any adult should be desiring. It's much easier to improve your lot in life (and the lot of your child), when you have a safe shelter from which to do so, food to eat and a bed to sleep in. A little love & caring go a long way, and improve society as a whole - and a heck of a lot more for everyone, than wars and the like.

Also, I don't know how far 400 pounds goes in the UK, but it would not go far here in Canada (even with free rent), so I doubt she and others like her will be living the time of their life, after food/expenses are paid.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: MrsNonSpecific
Most of the government's money in their budget goes on pensions, not on social care for those that have found themselves in circumstances that they need help getting themselves through.



Pensioners are not getting *benefits* they get *pensions* which they earned

and paid for
during their working lives .



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