Originally posted by ChrisRT
Kim Jong's scalp has been done to death... Have there been any Ivan (in its current state)-U.S.A. discussions yet?
It's been done but I didn't follow it too closely. Russia has the numbers and the technology to pull off a costly upset, except that I dont think
America would underestimate Russia enough to walk into something like that. Russia's best bet to make a powerplay on the United States would be to
restore its submarine and aircraft programs to superpower status and bide their time until a large number of American targets presented themselves. A
suicide attack by submarine forces to destroy as many (preferably all) American and British aircraft carriers is a must.
Combine that with a surprise airborne assault on Iceland and Greenland (backed by armor-transporting hovercraft concealed in modified commercial
ships) and you can establish airbases in the North Atlantic for a "Red Storm Rising" scenario to control access to Europe.
Russia versus the EU (minus the UK) would be just about a fair fight, although one I think Russia would win. The problem is that unless China will go
for this war, America can just 'avoid the noid' take the Eastern approach which does many good things for America: 1. Defeats Russia. 2. Creates a
new American sphere of influence North of China and North Korea. 3. Let's Europeans do most of the dying in this war.
China wouldn't go for this war unless they had their own reasons for wanting war with America. China could turn this scenario into a major political
victory by backing the allies and making it a UN effort in exchange for privilidges in the rebuilding of Russia (since they are the only 3rd party
So in the end, Russia loses this war from the East, either courtesy of USA or PRC.
I ran a Russian rebirth scenario in my favorite wargame once though, and I was able to pull it off- primarily by knowing when not to mess with
Starting in 2004:
I framed Turkey for assassinations and terrorism in occupied Iraq as well as in Russia for over a year until NATO expelled them and America declared
war on them. I declared war too and invaded first, conquering Turkey.
With Turkey and all subsequent conquests, I improved their militaries and economies with some key building while gutting their secret service, then I
freed them and rigged the elections to keep secret control.
By the end of 2005 I had rebuilt the USSR by making economic deals and arms sales to former members. I also succeeded in rigging the elections in
Austria. I had also made great progress in improving the Russian agriculture industry by changing land allocations, funding research, and lowering
taxes. I paid for this with arms sales in the middle east. NATO was none too pleased but took no action, besides raising political pressure.
In 2006 I sent Russian forces to occupy Somalia and rebuild that nation as a democracy: then I rigged their elections. At the same time I started
secretly funding rebels and sponsoring terrorism in Ethiopia. I began framing Yugoslavia for sponsoring terrorism in Soviet nations and Turkey.
In 2007 I invaded Yugoslavia and created a puppet state. I gave them many of my 50s and 60s vintage military units and replaced those with modern
In 2008 I turned my attention to the Russian oil industry for research and development funding. I reduced taxes a little further as grain and meat
sales to my allies created new income.
Ethiopia finally fell into anarchy after the past two years of intelligence operations against them. Russian forces from Somalia intervened and
created a puppet state. I then began improving Russian relations with Sudan by making economic deals and selling them military technology.
In 2009-2010 I sponsored rebels and terrorism in Egypt and framed Sudan for several terrorist attacks on Egypt. I raised political pressure on Sudan
but continued to deal with them. Finally I sold Sudan a pair of Victor I class submarines armed with conventional cruise missiles. I then launched
cruise missiles on egypt via sub and severed ties to Sudan. Egypt invaded Sudan and conquered them.
In 2010 I framed Iran for a series of terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia then used stealth aircraft to attack Iranian troops. Iran blamed Saudi Arabia
and invaded, conquering Saudi Arabia.
In 2011 I was caught attempting to rig elections in Italy. Most of NATO severred ties with me. I used submarines and stealth aircraft as well as
patrol boats Ethiopia to make a series of minor attacks on both Egypt/Sudan and Iran/Saudi Arabia. Relations between the two sides began to darken. I
began selling technology and weapons to Iran and raising political pressure on Egypt.
In 2012 I gave mobile strategic missiles to Iran then destroyed those with Stealth aircraft. Iran blamed Egypt and attacked. After a long and costly
war, Egypt had conquered Saudi Arabia and Iran had accepted my proposal for an alliance. Russian forces invaded Egypt. Russia quickly freed Saudi
Arabia, making it a puppet state and allowing it to continue business as usual. Egypt and Sudan were kept under direct control.
In 2013 I cut back nation building programs and stepped up research on weapons systems in Russia while producing a new line of military units and
giving older but still effective ones to allies.
In 2014 I freed Egypt and made them a puppet. I remilitarized them and made them attack Sudan. I beat them back out of Sudan and signed a ceasefire
In 2015 I made Egypt invade Libya, Chad, and Tunisia.
In 2016 Egypt invaded Algeria and Cental African Republic and Congo (not dem rep of).
Until 2020 Egypt modernized and rebuilt its military, dealing heavily with Russia.
In 2020 Russia framed Greece for a series of political assassinations in Yugoslavia and then for attempting to rig elections. Russian stealth aircraft
made minor attacks in Greece. Greece invaded Yugoslavia and NATO severed ties to Greece. Soviet forces conquered Greece.
In 2021 Russia launched a series of submarine attacks on Cuba. Cuba declared war on the United States and was conquered by the US. Mexico severed
relations with the United States.
In 2022 Russia destabilized the government of Mexico. Russian subs and stealth aircraft made false flag ops in Mexico, framing America. America blamed
Mexican rebels for this and invaded Mexico.
In 2023 Russia began destabilizing the government of Canada
By 2026 Several canadian cities were out of government control and a small rebellion had grown. Russian stealth planes made ops in Canada. Canada did
not respond against anyone.
In 2027 Russian agents framed the USA for attempting to rig Canadian elections. Canada declared war on USA. USA invaded Canada. NATO severed ties to
In 2028 Soviet and Egyptian Forces invaded Europe, quickly conquering all but England. America declared war, but had lost the right to maintain troops
in Europe and was unable to quickly respond. Russian offensives ceased and a cease fire was arranged.