Please help with why my talking sometimes doesn't make sense .

I ask for advice from fellow ATSers or more to the point , does what happens to me happen to you . My problem is that my mind works at 2000 miles an hour , and that is fine as it is the only mind i know , well who has two . I can not think of one thing at one time , i think of 2 3 or 6 things at the same time and that is also fine as it is what i have always done . But lately while talking to workmates and others what has come out of my mouth sounds like Ozzie Osbourne on a bad day . This is nothing new but lately it has been really bad . I talk to people and i hear myself talking and although i know what i am trying to say it sometimes seems what i am saying is disconnected from my brain . Almost like watching myself talking . Most times i can quickly dumb down what i was trying to say and start again . Now was i dumbing it down for me or the intended audience , i dont know , but when one of your workmates says WTF did you just say it is a worry . It might be a good time to mention that i am Bi Polar but that has nothing to do with this as far as i am concerned . Been BP for a long time and this has not been a problem until recently . Anyways thoughts ATS .

a reply to: hutch622

I feel for you, I have the very same troubles. Noticed it when I was a teen, but as I have aged it's getting worse. In my mind, I'm crisp what I want to say, and what I'm trying to say. But what comes out leaves me with 'eeerrr theee ummm' moments when I start stumbling.
My problem started with names, I still get the names of my daughters mixed up. I know who I mean in my head, but they come out wrong. But my mother also displays this problem as far back as I remember, calling me "john, joe, jack, john" until she eventually get's it right "Jeff".

I also find myself saying things like, "Cook the steak in the washing machine". My head knows I'm saying frying pan, but I'll change it to "in the fridge", and then I'll eventually say "I mean frying pan".
My head was thinking of frying pan, but as my brain tries to connect that word to my mouth, it first thinks, kitchen - then appliances - then I'll spit out an appliance regardless of if it's a kitchen appliance. So I'll clarify I mean a kitchen thing 'fridge'.. uggghhh!

Makes me sound like completely mad. I do spend most of my day in silence though, single dad raising two teenage girls.


I'll also find I type sentences weirdly. Especially reading back on old stuff on ATS. Words missing completely, odd sentence structures, etc. I was much more concise and poignant in my head, clever, brilliant even. Like a phage crossed with Stephen Fry. But on review months later I scratch my head wondering what point I was even trying to make. Must be something in the water.

Sounds like a one track mind trying to run too many trains. That's not an insult, I do it myself. While your mind may be thinking of several things at once, your mouth is trying to explain one, but the brain just keeps on churning, spitting out new details of each idea. When you try to talk, parts of each get thrown in the mix, so you sound like Ozzy. You would not believe the trouble I got in to with my wife for that. Seems if I see Kate Upton on a TV commercial, I should just not talk at all till it's over.

a reply to: DAVID64

I also like bananas!


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I mean peaches! :-/

It happens to me too, so when I need to say something imprtant i try hard to focus and speak slower (not slow slow, just giving more time between sentence)

I even said to my wife i loved her saying another name instead of hers, she never forget or forgive it

Also stay hydrate, i find i made more mistakes while hungry and not well hydrated

While this may be related to signs of fatigue/not enough sleep oftentimes in my case anyway, to have it happen enough to worry you would entitle you to be seen by a neurologist, don't you think? Maybe your melatonin levels are low or something. Why not have this checked out?

a reply to: hutch622

Speak to your GP first and ask his or her recommendations as to a specialist.

It could be many things as symptoms of different problems can be similar. This is where a specialists training and experience comes into play.

The fact that you are posting here looking for advice; is a fair indication that you need some help to get back to
where you feel in control. Sure there will be members with experiences and sage advice, bear in mind we are individuals -with different makeups and needs.

I do not envy your plight, I can only offer some - non-involved neutral input ... hope it helps you !

a reply to: aboutface

I think my problems are certainly exacerbated by exhaustion from lack of rest. I have a spinal cord tumour which has put my last 12 years in a wheelchair in non stop pain. It really wears you down being in never ending pain, my t-shirts hurt. It feels like my chest has been dragged across a road, red raw. And the t-shirt is like a coarse sandpaper on the raw skin. It just consumes you, so probably would be contributing to my personal troubles in some degree. But my mother has always had similar troubles, although I'm much worse than her now.

Stress and lack of sleep, that's what I put it down to. But I'm sure that's all indicative of the old bipolar disorder anyway.

A nice women and a healthy lifestyle, I suppose might be a solution to the problem, but who's got time for that? lol.

I have exactly the same issue, I tend to have at least 4 or 5 different thought patterns going at the same time, I had to learn to speak slowly otherwise the speed and complexity of my statements would baffle people.

Do you find yourself finishing other peoples sentances because they are taking too much time to say there bit and you have anticipated what they are saying?

I find that when under a lot of pressure I loose the ability to stay coherent and at its worse the words fail to come out at all I just end up giving out a kind of "BARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" noise like when a cd sticks.

a reply to: hutch622

First thing I thought of was that the 'too many thoughts' thing and 'can't make too much sense' thing are a bit of manic action from your bi-polar? (Forgive the language used I've got seconds to post this before a meeting).

But if you insist it's not maybe you're tired?

Go through your self-diagnosis list:

Have I slept much over the last few days?

Have I got lots of new ideas?

Do I actually feel pretty good?

But you know all that so sorry to teach you to suck eggs.

a reply to: Qumulys

Wow , so many things that you said in your reply are true for me also . Also the other posters who have mentioned that being tired might have played a part . I have wondered about that , but my perceived lack of sleep seems no different to that of others i know . I will try to reply to everyone soon but for the moment sleep is a real issue . Cheers everyone for the replys so far , see you in 12 .

a reply to: hutch622

You are not alone by any stretch. It is assumed in some quarters that we have this problem because there is a communication problem (battle) between the left side of the brain which is the logical side and the right side which is the "hippie" side. You go to say something from one side and the other side over rides it with its own interpretation of what you were going to say. If you are attentive to your words, you find they come out differently than what you "thought" they were going to be.

What the solution is--if there is one short of a full-scale lobotomy--I don't have a clue. And I just queried both sides of mine.

I will add that, still, you have a more flexible, inventive, intuitive, more satisfying brain than most people. Largely because you are using it on yourself and not focusing entirely on what is "out there," outside of you.

a reply to: hutch622

1st comes to mind is medical/physiological....and not really that big of an issue nor much different from a lot of us....so not to worry, ok? Secondly, there are multiple indications that what youre experiencing is really quite normal for a good deal of the public.

A lot of olks have thoughts that move so fast our mouths cant catch up. Im only qualified as an EMT Life Supporter-Responder with medical and pharmacological backgrounds...so Im just putting this to you as support.


I know there are ADD (attention deficit disorder) and more than a few others that have successful pharmacutical treatments that can align thoughts and speech to the same speeds...also holistic and homeopathic ones of benefit.

All this being said...there probably isnt anything at all diffent, wrong or concerning for you. If really concerned, seek medical advice or counsel from qualified professionals.

Hey! You just may have a lot say....and your mouth cant keep up with your brain!

Hope this reassures you a bit. MS

a reply to: hutch622

it happens to me too. I think I don't give enough credit to other people. I start doing that when I think people's general knowledge of stuff is not the same as mine.

The first thing that came to mind is that you may have had a "mini" stroke or 2. When those happen, normally there are no outward signs one can point to.

After reading you are bi-polar, if this only happens on the "up" cycle, then medication should help.
I know that meds for bi-polar dampen the cherished "up" times,
but trust me those around you find the "up" times hell on earth to be around you.

At any rate, you definitely need to see a neurologist and a psychiatrist.

While others here say it happens to them, heck it does to all of us sometimes,
the frequency you suggest is not normal.

You never indicated you are on bi-polar meds, if not please for the sake
of your family and co-workers, get on meds.

The depressive cycle at it's worst makes it difficult to be around
the whining and self depreciation after awhile.

The manic cycle, while pleasant for you,
I can tell you from experience is literal hell for everyone around you.

The you that is pleasant to be around is the mildly depressed you.

When you start to go "up" (enter the manic phase),
the tension in people around you increases
waiting for your explosions that you get over so fast
you don't even realize you have exploded,
that emotionally devastate others.

a reply to: hutch622

Hutch... The place to get advice on this would be from a medical professional.

Many people find that they get a little disconnected from what they mean every now and again, but to notice that the issue is getting worse for you, may mean that something is going on at the neurochemical level, which might need looking into.

I would seriously recommend seeking the counsel of your doctor on this matter, without further delay.

a reply to: hutch622

racing thoughts and pressured speech are symptoms of a manic phase. You may not feel that your racing thoughts and speech aren't related....but no one should be self diagnosing.

Get thee to your doctor and explain the issue. Might be a simple med adjustment. Or diet adjustment. It isn't infrequent that medications are effected by what is being eaten. As it relates to bipolar....if you are on lithium, any change in salt intake can wreak havoc with lithium levels.

But having the doctor sit and listen...that is the only reasonable answer i can think of.

About sleep.I think alot of people underestimate the value of sleep, and just as many know it but feel they can't get enough due to their responsibilities.It's been a difficult ride the last several years, with the economy and all hardships since the last recession began.3 cups of coffee isn't the same as 3 hours sleep.I pushed myself like that, for a few years averaging 4 hours sleep per night, until my mind hit it's breaking point.Our bodies need sleep to help maintain balance and heal.

Please consider getting more rest.If your work schedule or financial needs interfere with that, aggressively optimize your diet.

edit:The human body is incredible.We can handle much adversity, but the lifestyle of overwork makes it easy to put all the wrong things in.Too much salt, sugar, caffeine, nicotine, alchohol, etc.Better diet, and sleep rather then self medicating really improves stamina.I learned the hard way...