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posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: KyoZero

is the KKK a legitamate state recognised religion? I don't think they are.. but lets say they are, for the sake of argument. Can they, if they were a legitamate hypothetical religion, say whites only on the door to their restaurant..?

Sure... why not... it wouldn't effect me in the least.. I wouldn't eat there.. but its good to know what my dollars would be supporting in advance, and its not something I can support. Point blank. I am sure many others would feel the exact same.

are there enough KKK'ers to keep that restaurant open? lol.. who knows? If there are.. all they are doing is serving food, they aren't harming another person..I wouldn't support them, but neither would I deny them the right..

same with the black panthers.. lets say they are a legitamate religious organisation and they want a blacks only restaurant.. more power to them.. again, I would not attend their business nor support such a thing with my dollars but hey.. more power to them

it effects me none ... if that is what they want to believe and follow it doesn't effect me at all so long as they aren't hurting another person..

and all this sort of thing does is give more business to those I WOULD like to support and give my money too, and we all know where our money is going upfront..

It doesn't bother me nor does it effect me for another human being to believe something different than I do..




posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Willtell
It is also true that many religious traditions have edicts against Gay sex…
Right or wrong this is a reality therefore their religious precepts come into play on this issue and many have sincere beliefs in this regard


Isn't America meant to be based on secular values? This religious freedom (well lets face, christian freedom) law doesn't sound like the separation of church and state. More like Christians forcing there own values on to the public.


America is also based in individual liberty where the individual should make such decisions for themselves.


And like I've said --- that won't even work in a family of 5.

Idealism is a nice word ---- but, doesn't go much beyond that. N



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: guitarplayer

Indeed so.

However, you will note that:

a) Christians already know that, and so the first responsibility that they have is to ensure that they do not start racking up huge amounts of sin, by marginalising their fellow human beings, taking on the mantle of God himself, in order to judge other humans.

b) as previously stated, people do not receive the word of Christ well, when they have recently been treated poorly by the faithful.

Therefore, treating all persons with equal love and respect, without any form of discrimination what so ever, is the only way to ensure that as many people come to the arms of Christ as possible.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Willtell
It is also true that many religious traditions have edicts against Gay sex…
Right or wrong this is a reality therefore their religious precepts come into play on this issue and many have sincere beliefs in this regard


Isn't America meant to be based on secular values? This religious freedom (well lets face, christian freedom) law doesn't sound like the separation of church and state. More like Christians forcing there own values on to the public.


America is also based in individual liberty where the individual should make such decisions for themselves.


And like I've said --- that won't even work in a family of 5.

Idealism is a nice word ---- but, doesn't go much beyond that. N


And I've said before, the government is not your mom or dad, no matter how much you want them to be and it's a dangerous proposition to make the government to be your mom or dad. The government is not supposed to be your parent so your comparison is rather silly, yes?



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Willtell
It is also true that many religious traditions have edicts against Gay sex…
Right or wrong this is a reality therefore their religious precepts come into play on this issue and many have sincere beliefs in this regard


Isn't America meant to be based on secular values? This religious freedom (well lets face, christian freedom) law doesn't sound like the separation of church and state. More like Christians forcing there own values on to the public.


America is also based in individual liberty where the individual should make such decisions for themselves.


And like I've said --- that won't even work in a family of 5.

Idealism is a nice word ---- but, doesn't go much beyond that. N


And I've said before, the government is not your mom or dad, no matter how much you want them to be and it's a dangerous proposition to make the government to be your mom or dad. The government is not supposed to be your parent so your comparison is rather silly, yes?


Oh, but in a family of 5, your parents are the government.

There is constant adjusting to create an environment where everyone gets their equal share.

You are so blinded by your anti-government attitude ----- you refuse to see any logic.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Willtell
It is also true that many religious traditions have edicts against Gay sex…
Right or wrong this is a reality therefore their religious precepts come into play on this issue and many have sincere beliefs in this regard


Isn't America meant to be based on secular values? This religious freedom (well lets face, christian freedom) law doesn't sound like the separation of church and state. More like Christians forcing there own values on to the public.


America is also based in individual liberty where the individual should make such decisions for themselves.


And like I've said --- that won't even work in a family of 5.

Idealism is a nice word ---- but, doesn't go much beyond that. N


And I've said before, the government is not your mom or dad, no matter how much you want them to be and it's a dangerous proposition to make the government to be your mom or dad. The government is not supposed to be your parent so your comparison is rather silly, yes?


Then why do we need a SUPREME COURT? Because people can't get along. Many want their way of life and in a lot of instances want others to live the same way. With the melting pot that America is you NEED to have the gov't to interject.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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Actually it take the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit to prick the heart not the words and actions of others. The old adage if I can talk you into it someone can talk you out of it. As John said bring forth the fruit of repentance, evidence of a changed heart.


originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: guitarplayer

Indeed so.

However, you will note that:

a) Christians already know that, and so the first responsibility that they have is to ensure that they do not start racking up huge amounts of sin, by marginalising their fellow human beings, taking on the mantle of God himself, in order to judge other humans.

b) as previously stated, people do not receive the word of Christ well, when they have recently been treated poorly by the faithful.

Therefore, treating all persons with equal love and respect, without any form of discrimination what so ever, is the only way to ensure that as many people come to the arms of Christ as possible.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: Seamrog

You want to dictate to others how they live their lives then? Pass judgement on them?

I'm a Christian by the way, but it does not give me the right to control others, force my views on them or by any stretch of the imagination control them.

My words were directed at those making the arson and death threats by the way.

Both sides are acting badly in this and it's being promoted by the politico's for an agenda. Some fall for it, some don't.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I vote with my dollars NOW when I do business with any company. I have never so much as drank a starbucks coffee because they give funds to things I do not find supportable with my dollars. I cannot remember the last pair of Nike's I have purchased due to what I consider to be unsupportable overseas business practices..yet I wear running shoes daily and drink coffee multiple times every day..

my dollars go to areas I find supportable, and I have ALWAYS encouraged others to research a company before they do business with them so they know exactly where there dollars might be going if they do business there - and do business with them according to their own conscience.

It's a good thing to know what you are or are not supporting, and I will spend more to do business at places I find more acceptable in some cases...

This just puts what you are supporting a bit more in the open in this country than before.. and I will always believe such things are good to know..

do you want to do business with a company that puts a quantity of monies toward racism or slave labor? Wouldn't you like to know who you do business with prior to handing over your money.,.

I don't see any issue whatsoever with allowing people the right to follow what they feel is the dictates of their religion..even if my interpretation of those dictates might be different.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: MystikMushroom


Christian Man Asks Thirteen Gay Bakeries To Bake Him Pro-Traditional Marriage Cake, And Is Denied Service By All Of Them

shoebat.com...

Amusing.


Let's be just a wee bit more honest, shall we?



Shoebat.com decided to call some 13 prominent pro-gay bakers in a row. Each one denied us the right to have “Gay Marriage Is Wrong” on a cake and even used deviant insults and obscenities against us. One baker even said all sorts of profanities against Christians and ended the conversation by saying that she will make me a cookie with a large phallus on it.


Where were these bakeries again? Ireland, UK, Never-never Land?

Oh that's right, the "article" doesn't state that, does it?

The same article does, however, mention this:



THE REAL GOAL OF THE HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA

One gay claiming to be a professor at a Catholic university even commented on our blog with the following:

“Are you aware that we gays have larger brains, superior cognitive functions, spatial memory and verbal skills? It’s a biological fact of life.”

But such views are the views of tyrannies. The Nazis and others believe in such nonsense. Tyrannies use false pseudo science and they all have a superiority complex. It is the case with every deviant cult and tyrannical movement.


"One gay" ... wow, this site of yours is really big on substantiating their sources, eh?

What garbage.

Oh, by the way, since you're citing this garbage site as a trusted source, may we ask that you restrict your hypocrisy in the future by implying that you believe in equality, freedom, etc?

You've tipped your hand.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Yeah, folks should be able to follow the dictates of their religion!



Appearing yesterday on CNN, Senator Tom Cotton (R) urged critics of Indiana’s “religious freedom” law to get “perspective,” suggesting the treatment of LGBT people in Indiana compared favorably to countries where gay people are executed.

“I think it’s important we have a sense of perspective,” Cotton said. “In Iran they hang you for the crime of being gay.”


Of course, there are plenty of Christians here in the US that routinely call for gays to be killed ... but ... that's just their "religious freedom" isn't it?

Wow.

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posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: guitarplayer

So, it takes the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit, and not the words or actions of others?

Well, all the better reason to be decent to people! If your words and actions have no meaning for the individual concerned, if the Holy Spirit focusing upon a person who lives in sin, is enough to shake them loose and understand what they are doing from a new perspective, and maybe even change it, then what the hell difference can being discriminatory and unloving make?

I say again, no matter which way you slice this, the only Christian thing to do to anyone, is to give them basic respect, to love ones neighbour and so on, without prejudice. Whether one happens to operate a business or not, judgement is not for human kind to involve themselves in. That is for God to do.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Because I cited a source that doesn't agree with you, I'm biased and a hypocrite.

My.

What an open mind you have, grandmother!




posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

I see what you are saying, and I would probably tend not to spend money with organisations which seek to usurp the love of Jesus Christ, and use an ill thought out understanding of Jesus message to justify ill treatment of other human beings.

That said, from a Christian perspective, I would also like it if people stopped claiming Christian faith, while acting as if they consider themselves equal to God, to Jesus, by judging everyone and everything that does not meet with their approval.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Gryphon66

Because I cited a source that doesn't agree with you, I'm biased and a hypocrite.

My.

What an open mind you have, grandmother!



You cited a ridiculous garbage source with no attributions and no evidence presented?

Now, you're standing up for it?

Open mind? Well, you're backing up a website that alleges that all gays are equivalent to Nazi eugenicists.

How open is your mind? Does that seem like a trustworthy source to you?
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posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

My God... what is being proposed is the ability to say no to personally assisting with a thing you don't believe in.. not executing people..

exaggerate much? Saying no I do not feel I can participate in this event is far from the same thing as state supported execution..

does no I do not feel I can bake a cake for your event or marry you under God hurt you? No.. it doesn't hurt at all.. and its much better than forcing people to do something against their will..

I would rather want to know that who is doing my food event or serving me actually WANTS the work and is not simply being forced to under duress..



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

Ya just checked that site out, totally not biased at all.


Reminds me of the a radio station out here 90.1 X something, all they do is ask for money in the name of god.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

which is a conversation for within our churches ... in the meantime.. voting with dollars is a good place to start I believe.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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America ---- a secular, Republic ---- not a Democracy.

Your business is NOT your God belief.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Exaggerate?

Senator Tom Cotton suggested on air today that we should be glad that the folks in Indiana aren't killing gays for their "crimes"!

Maybe that is only exaggeration to you, or maybe you don't fully disagree with the Senator. Who knows? You didn't state an exception with his words

The answer to your regurgitation of the same tired argument is the same as always: "public accommodation."

Why should Christians and other religious folks be provided with special rights that let them ignore the laws of the land?

/shrug



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