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Christianity: Power and Worth

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posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: BlueMule

Have no worry on the matter, I am not offended nor concerned. The matter at hand is my concern and I would like only such be the point of interest.

I do wish you well and hope that you future encounters with Christians add experience to the information that opposes your assumption.

This is a good wish for you, not an insult. I would like you'd change your mind on the ideas in sincerity.
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posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: backcase




Originally posted by backcase
It is not of Christianity to feel better than men; to feel stronger than men.

We followers of the Christ were taught that Christ is the mystical head, and that all stand in His presence.

Have we given off the idea that we only are special? That is wrong, for not only we were called to nobility, all were.

We are all noble in Christ and we will not be brought under the power of anything other. But we are not noble when we seek to assert our power and nobility and attempt to put others under ourselves.



There’s currently over 41,000 denominations of Christianity out there, all claiming to the way and the truth, but they can’t all be the truth…

And it’s those divisions that help to fuel up that pride, which in turn produces an attitude of, “we have the only way to salvation” etc…and your interpretation is wrong, and so on and so forth…

Asserting Power and Nobility over others, is what the RCC has done since the beginning; Christianity was forced onto people, at the point of a sword and through threats of Hell; there’s Nothing Noble about it. The only thing righteous about it, is the truth that still remains, in some of Jesus words in the NT…

During the establishment of the early Roman Catholic Church, thousands of people were murdered; sometimes, just because they didn’t accept one aspect, of so called, “official Christian doctrine”…

And it’s been pretty much the same way throughout history, with various burnings at the stake, for those who refused to accept, whatever doctrine they were supposed to believe in…and all supposedly done, in the name of Christ…who’s real teachings, were perverted and distorted, rewritten and edited etc…in order for the Noble elite, to keep power and control over people…

So to answer your question above; YES, it is of Christianity, too feel better than men, because Christianity has been corrupt since the very beginning…



- JC



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: Joecroft

In your reply I did not see a shred of historical evidence, only your idea of what went on based on what you were taught.

At these Christian church's the bible is promoted, at the Catholic church too, the bible is promoted.

So it is I speak of Christians from the views of the world in the bible; an ignorant people full of faults, but with so much potential.

These words are to call people out of stagnant waters and to work toward that potential.

Just because the Church has its demons doesn't mean that it is without its saints.



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 11:55 PM
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a reply to: backcase


Originally posted by backcase
In your reply I did not see a shred of historical evidence, only your idea of what went on based on what you were taught.


I was taught by God and the Holy Spirit, and not by any man!!!

You seriously want to post evidence about things that clearly took place, in the early period of Christianity, and all the inquisitions down through History etc… are you serious…???

Even here below, you admit that the church has had it’s demons etc…in this post below…



Originally posted by backcase
Just because the Church has its demons doesn't mean that it is without its saints.





Originally posted by backcase
At these Christian church's the bible is promoted, at the Catholic church too, the bible is promoted.

So it is I speak of Christians from the views of the world in the bible; an ignorant people full of faults, but with so much potential.


But that’s what my post was about, i.e. that the Bible became partly corrupted by men, that’s one of the big problems with it…

It divides people, and makes men think they are better than others…and because of the contradictions contained within it, it produces disputes between people…



Originally posted by backcase
These words are to call people out of stagnant waters and to work toward that potential.


But who is your OP aimed at, who is in these stagnant waters you speak of…?



Originally posted by backcase
Pride and greed in ourselves attempts subtly to steal the light of Jesus for ourselves and give rise to the illusion that it comes from us.


Again, who is this aimed at; all Christian denominations… ???

And where are you, getting this perspective from, that people/Christians are acting that way…please be honest here…


- JC



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 04:45 AM
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a reply to: Joecroft

My post need not be defended, it was written as all my posts were to be. It is another lamp, another candle, another warning.

But let's go off topic for a moment and talk about this belief that the bible corrupted man. After all you would like to just state the things that you think happened in history and have everyone take your word for it.

Being "taught by God and the Holy Spirit" is no excuse to presume 2000 years of history is well explained away and understood by a few short paragraphs.

If you knew of the Holy Spirit you would know that man takes the truth and adds what is in his heart to it. For it is not that which goes into man which corrupts, only what comes out of it.

Denouncing the bible is an easy way of getting out of the direction that population aims a rifle at. But when you know something to be the truth you speak on it boldly or you don't speak of it at all.

Many men can praise themselves and call themselves divinely inspired, but I have seen no evidence to believe such claims, only words that claim very much but stand for very little.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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I am not Christian. I am a student of Christ's teachings, however.

I do believe the bible is corrupted by man. In fact, I believe the bible was created to 'contain' the Christ Consciousness and control it the best they can. Hence, the demonizing and burning of the learned ones who operated with Christ Consciousness beyond what the bible decrees 'lawful'. I do believe the message and story of Christ is un-corruptable and transcendent beyond the constraints - the various denominations of Christianity have tried to place on him.

I am disappointed you didn't respond to JoeCroft's last post in full. I was interested in the answers to his last questions you glossed over.

CdT
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posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: CirqueDeTruth

I spoke as a priest would, it is written for all and holds something for each individual.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: backcase



Originally posted by backcase
My post need not be defended, it was written as all my posts were to be.


I wasn’t asking you to defend anything…why would you feel that your OP needs defending…?

I was asking you to explain certain elements within your OP…




Originally posted by backcase
It is another lamp, another candle, another warning.



A lamp, a candle and warning to whom…?…to reiterate what I asked you in my previous post…

Who is your OP aimed at…? and where are you, getting this perspective from, that people/Christians are acting that way…???

You say you are a priest, then surely you must have some reasons for stating those things…?



Originally posted by backcase
But let's go off topic for a moment and talk about this belief that the bible corrupted man. After all you would like to just state the things that you think happened in history and have everyone take your word for it.



They don’t have to take my word for it; I’m not asking anyone too…they can go and find the truth for themselves, there’s plenty of evidence out there, for it…

Also, I don’t wish to go off topic…I want to discuss your OP…

What’s the point of starting a thread, if you’re not prepared to discuss the elements within it…




Originally posted by backcase
Being "taught by God and the Holy Spirit" is no excuse to presume 2000 years of history is well explained away and understood by a few short paragraphs.


It’s not a presumption, much of what I wrote are facts, you even admitted yourself that the RCC has had its past demons etc….

Also, I wasn’t asking anyone to believe it either, from a few short paragraphs that I wrote; because it would take tons of posts to show it clearly…

Suggesting that I was trying to explain away 2000 years of history, in a few short paragraphs, is just ridiculous too, because nobody could do that in one post…





Originally posted by backcase
If you knew of the Holy Spirit you would know that man takes the truth and adds what is in his heart to it. For it is not that which goes into man which corrupts, only what comes out of it.


But the Bible has become corrupt as well, for the very same reasons…

Although I do believe that some errors in the Bible, came about through men's misunderstandings, and not necessarily because of any evil intentions etc…



Originally posted by backcase
Denouncing the bible is an easy way of getting out of the direction that population aims a rifle at. But when you know something to be the truth you speak on it boldly or you don't speak of it at all.



Then, are you prepared to speak boldly about your OP, and discuss the questions that I asked further up…?


- JC



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: Joecroft

Until I can get to a computer, I will just answer the main points while I'm on my phone.

My OP is addressed to everyone. I was almost sure that was made clear by now.

I am not a priest but I compared myself to a priest to clarify the intentions of my OP.

The church has its demons but that does not mean that it does not have its saints. Satan infiltrates the Church in order to try to hurt God and His people.

I think that covers everything.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: backcase



Originally posted by backcase
My OP is addressed to everyone. I was almost sure that was made clear by now.


Actually, it’s not clear that it’s addressed to everyone, just by going off your OP…

Your OP makes it look like it’s only addressed at Christians…

Based on these parts of your OP below…



Originally posted by backcase
It is not of Christianity to feel better than men; to feel stronger than men.




Originally posted by backcase
We followers of the Christ were taught that Christ is the mystical head, and that all stand in His presence.




Originally posted by backcase
We are all noble in Christ and we will not be brought under the power of anything other.




Originally posted by backcase
Pride and greed in ourselves attempts subtly to steal the light of Jesus for ourselves and give rise to the illusion that it comes from us.


See what I mean…?



Originally posted by backcase
I am not a priest but I compared myself to a priest to clarify the intentions of my OP.


Ok, but it seems strange to compare yourself to something, that you are not…IMHO



Originally posted by backcase
The church has its demons but that does not mean that it does not have its saints. Satan infiltrates the Church in order to try to hurt God and His people.


Well, at least the RCC rescues people from demonic oppression, which IMO is the most righteous thing that they do…




Originally posted by backcase
I think that covers everything.


But you still haven’t answered my other question…

Which was…

Where are you getting your perspective from, that people/Christians are acting that way (the way you described in your OP) you see, you must have some reasons or feelings for stating those things…? They’re obviously not just coming from out of nowhere…


- JC



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: Joecroft

Well by reading it with a suspended memory I can see how it addresses non Christians too. Think about it.

I got inspiration for writing this by reading scripture. I do not remember which one.

But why is it weird to cmpare my writing to a dictation of a priest. I think that you see it, you're just running out of things to go on, that's why you re-asked that question I already answered. I'm not going to keep answering it you know.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: backcase
a reply to: Joecroft

Well by reading it with a suspended memory I can see how it addresses non Christians too. Think about it.

I got inspiration for writing this by reading scripture. I do not remember which one.

But why is it weird to cmpare my writing to a dictation of a priest. I think that you see it, you're just running out of things to go on, that's why you re-asked that question I already answered. I'm not going to keep answering it you know.


You say you speak as a priest but cannot remember what scripture you salute...

How about...

Proverbs 25:6-7

Do not claim honor in the presence of the king, And do not stand in the place of great men; For it is better that it be said to you, "Come up here," Than for you to be placed lower in the presence of the prince, Whom your eyes have seen.

Or....

2 Chronicles 23:20

He took the captains of hundreds, the nobles, the rulers of the people and all the people of the land, and brought the king down from the house of the LORD, and came through the upper gate to the king's house. And they placed the king upon the royal throne.

Perhaps...

Ezekiel 34:2

"Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel Prophesy and say to those shepherds, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Woe, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flock?

What say you - oh priest of Christ - for a daughter of witches of Christ Consciousness beseeches you...

Where does your sermon stem - of the all mighty biblical words of god?

CdT



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: CirqueDeTruth

No it was something from the New Testament, probably one of Paul's letters since I find them so well written and inspiring. That mixed with the music I was listening to, an odd mix.

Edit: that's quite a title you have given yourself. I used to make comic books myself.
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posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by backcase
Well by reading it with a suspended memory I can see how it addresses non Christians too. Think about it.


Where specifically in your OP, do you address non Christians…That’s not how it looks…

Please highlight in your OP where this is the case…




Originally posted by backcase
I got inspiration for writing this by reading scripture. I do not remember which one.


Well, now where getting somewhere…this is what I’ve been trying to find out all along…but the thing is, you only started the thread like 2 days ago…

So you should have some idea which scriptures inspired you, to write your OP; especially considering the fact that you went to the trouble, of creating a thread on the subject…




Originally posted by backcase
But why is it weird to cmpare my writing to a dictation of a priest.


I never said it was weird, I just said it seemed strange, because your reply to the other poster, gave off the impression, that you were a priest…




Originally posted by backcase
I think that you see it, you're just running out of things to go on, that's why you re-asked that question I already answered.

I'm not going to keep answering it you know.


But you didn’t answer it, I even asked the question twice, in 2 individual posts, and NO answer was given. Only in your last reply did you finally answer it….by stating this below…




Originally posted by backcase
I got inspiration for writing this by reading scripture. I do not remember which one.


But you still haven’t answered the question really, because you can’t even remember which writing inspired it…


And as for “running out of things to go on…?”…

Not sure what’s with the defensive attitude here…I was only asking the questions, to get a better understanding, and perspective of your OP…but it seems, you couldn’t even do that…



- JC



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 10:46 PM
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It is what it is joecroft. I'm sorry you feel that way.

When I feel inspired by the Holy Ghost I write what comes to mind. This OP was just a single page in a note book I have full of writings and poems, quotes, doodles and love letters.

I cannot answer your questions the way you want me to so I suggest you don't inquire further, else you want the same answers. I'm sorry you didn't like the OP. It was never meant to bring attention to myself, just taken for what it is.



posted on Apr, 3 2015 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: backcase

Actually the origin of my moniker is a mix of pagan and modern ideals. It's a play on the 'cauldron of knowledge' Best described in Celtic Mythology, and most antiquated as Sophia Pistis.


Paul is a bit ridged in masculine and feminine discourse of the spirit of god - that is to say - the Feminine Divine which all life gave birth from - is beyond his limited masculine comprehension. So I suppose - it's best I bow out of your thread.

So...

I make my adieu...

CdT



posted on Apr, 4 2015 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by backcase
It is what it is joecroft. I'm sorry you feel that way.


And I’m sorry you are not prepared to open up a bit more, about a thread that YOU created…




Originally posted by backcase
When I feel inspired by the Holy Ghost I write what comes to mind. This OP was just a single page in a note book I have full of writings and poems, quotes, doodles and love letters.


Yes, I saw your thread poem; I quite liked it, although perhaps for different reasons than yourself…




Originally posted by backcase
I cannot answer your questions the way you want me to so I suggest you don't inquire further, else you want the same answers.


It would pointless of me to enquire any further, based on your thread responses to me and others so far…




Originally posted by backcase
It was never meant to bring attention to myself, just taken for what it is.


If you speak about something righteous, then it shouldn’t really matter if it brings attention onto oneself or not…IMO



- JC



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