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posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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Heres a video of a talk by AronRa regarding religious people and denying facts. But this applies also to "truth seekers" who cling to beliefs that are proven to be wrong. After debating a few fruitcakes that believe the "Hampstead Satanic Cult Hoax" is totally true, even in the face of zero evidence in support and loads of evidence against, they still cling to the belief its true.



I agree with AronRa 100%. I think its very pertinent to all of us seekers of truth.

What do you think?


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posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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And here is a follow up Q&A, also with Matt Dillahunty....


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posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: OneManArmy

He has a way of communicating clearly that I like.

This one must be fairly recent because he talked about the dinosaur denier girl he interviewed.

I am only about 30 minutes in but he has already described a good portion of the ATS creationist community debate tactics and personalities that I have come across.



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: OneManArmy


After debating a few fruitcakes that believe the "Hampstead Satanic Cult Hoax" is totally true, even in the face of zero evidence in support and loads of evidence against, they still cling to the belief its true.

Adding to the list… big foot, bermuda triangle, area 51, hangar 18, Atlantis, underground arctic Nazi freaking bases…

…and a babies arm holding an apple.



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 04:44 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: OneManArmy

He has a way of communicating clearly that I like.

This one must be fairly recent because he talked about the dinosaur denier girl he interviewed.

I am only about 30 minutes in but he has already described a good portion of the ATS creationist community debate tactics and personalities that I have come across.


Lol, that community extends well beyond the realms of ATS.

Belieeeeeeve me!!!(imagine that sounding like an evangelist saying it)



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

To be fair Area 51 exists, its just what the hell they are doing there that is the mystery.

When in doubt....Aliens!!!!

Or God of course.

Babies arm holding an Apple?

Thats novel.

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posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 04:52 PM
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Sounds like he has an axe to grind against Conspirianity.

👣



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: BlueMule
Sounds like he has an axe to grind against Conspirianity.

👣


lmao.

Im stealing that.



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: OneManArmy

I finished the video and I have to say he did cover every creationist I have ever come across.


I like his ending where he said "There are two groups of creationists the deceived and the deceivers there is no other category".

That is so true.



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: OneManArmy

I finished the video and I have to say he did cover every creationist I have ever come across.


I like his ending where he said "There are two groups of creationists the deceived and the deceivers there is no other category".

That is so true.


I agreed with everything he said.

Lots of what he said applied to conspiracy theorists too.
I had an argument with a christian just yesterday, and synchronicity put this on my recommended videos on youtube today.
Its almost like God put it there, lol.



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi


I like his ending where he said "There are two groups of creationists the deceived and the deceivers there is no other category".

There are only one kind of theorists, too. Those that don't have any proof and those that… don't have any proof.

Imo, I'll settle for eggs, seeds, DNA, cell division and the womb were carried here from somewhere else, the "third" category.

Religion and Evolution both leave that out.

One has them magically created out of thin air-- Poof!

And the other has them magically created in electric mud poodles-- Poof!



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 05:53 PM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy
a reply to: intrptr

To be fair Area 51 exists, its just what the hell they are doing there that is the mystery.

When in doubt....Aliens!!!!

Or God of course

Just men and their death machines. Point was its used to invoke aliens, like you said. Safe bet we'll never find out about any of those. Thats why they are constantly brought back from ridiculum…


Babies arm holding an Apple?

Thats novel.

Hit band back in the day, The Tubes- Whaddya want from life?

Last line in here…



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 05:57 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: OneManArmy
a reply to: intrptr

To be fair Area 51 exists, its just what the hell they are doing there that is the mystery.

When in doubt....Aliens!!!!

Or God of course

Just men and their death machines. Point was its used to invoke aliens, like you said. Safe bet we'll never find out about any of those. Thats why they are constantly brought back from ridiculum…


Babies arm holding an Apple?

Thats novel.

Hit band back in the day, The Tubes- Whaddya want from life?

Last line in here…


Damn man!!! That break is SIIIICCCCKKK!!

Yes I said sick, sue me.


"electric mud poodles" - lmao.
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posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 08:45 PM
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I have always been a big fan of Kent Hovind and the way the atheist evolutionists react to just his name.

I also like the way dawkins the high priest of evolution stopped public debating after being humiliated by Hovind.

So some evolutionist speaks to a bunch of kids and isnt held accountable to anyone for what he said

Not really a great platform for anything intelligent to come out..

I am still waiting for scientific evidence



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: borntowatch
I have always been a big fan of Kent Hovind and the way the atheist evolutionists react to just his name.


So not believing in your god automatically makes you an adherent of evolutionary theory? Interesting.


I also like the way dawkins the high priest of evolution stopped public debating after being humiliated by Hovind.


Except neither are true. Dawkins was never humiliated by Hovind nor has he ceased to debate in a public arena. What he has stopped doing is giving a platform to and by consequence of that platform, a sense of respectability and legitimacy to young earth creationists. Huge difference between refusing a public debate and giving a platform to something that insults pseudoscience by referring to YEC as such. It's not about who wins or loses the argument. Its About YECers standing on stage next to men of science, feeling as though they are equals and feeling as if there is an argument to be had. Giving credence to ANYONE who truly believes the entirety of the planet, its history and human civilization is between 6 and 10 thousand years old is just irresponsible. Its the equivalent of expecting a gynecologist to hold a public debate with someone who believes that storks deliver babies to new families.


So some evolutionist speaks to a bunch of kids and isnt held accountable to anyone for what he said

Not really a great platform for anything intelligent to come out...


Interesting that when someone uses Youtube as a platform to promote a message you disagree with they are somehow not accountable to anyone(which is just complete poppycock) Nor is it a platform that can lead to any intelligent outcome yet you yourself are notorious for relying on unimpeachable youtube videos under the label of scholarly evidence when it is convenient and promotes a message conducive to and in line with your personal biases/beliefs. But youre not a hypocrite at all right? You're a truebeliever and that gives you a special pass on the standards you impose upon everyone who falls under the "atheist evolutionist" umbrella you have built to keep you warm and cozy in your bliss.



I am still waiting for scientific evidence


No, you're not. The scientific evidence is waiting for you to open your eyes and wake the F# up.
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posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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Oh Peter you are such a kidder, evidence, yeah right

Thats why people like the one in this YT show have so many fanboys, he can talk like an evangelical preacher about a subject with no evidence but hearsay and assumption and gain ardent support.

if this man had evidence he wouldnt be making his big song and dance like what he is doing would he???
if the evidence was valid he would be selling burgers somewhere, this man is needed to sell evolution because so many still think its a religious belief


Really an hour long video to prove what he believes is science, really, its that valid a science that he is an evolution apologist and you think its a science
If it was a valid science then what is this fella doing preaching it, oh thats right, as you said, validating creation by arguing against it, unlike Mr Dawkins who was so badly humiliated by Hovind he wont debate anymore

If this blokes rant wasnt neccesary to you and other believers then evolution would be valid, its not.

You are welcome to believe what you want, dont dictate what I can believe. You are no better than the religious priests and wierdos you rant and rail about, no better than a member of wesboro baptist church
Think about that



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 10:35 PM
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I think it is awesome that a YECer showed up to the thread that demonstrates 90% of what AronRa described.



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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originally posted by: borntowatch
Oh Peter you are such a kidder, evidence, yeah right

Thats why people like the one in this YT show have so many fanboys, he can talk like an evangelical preacher about a subject with no evidence but hearsay and assumption and gain ardent support.


Do you listen to yourself when you come up with this crap or are you just a B level troll like many around here believe?
Because if you're not a poor troll, you just admitted that evangelical preachers speak about subjects they know nothing about and base their spiels on hearsay and assumption to gain support. well done!


if this man had evidence he wouldnt be making his big song and dance like what he is doing would he???

I could say the same of you.



if the evidence was valid he would be selling burgers somewhere, this man is needed to sell evolution because so many still think its a religious belief


What exactly do Hamburgers have to do with the price of tea in China?



Really an hour long video to prove what he believes is science, really, its that valid a science that he is an evolution apologist and you think its a science


So you didn't actually watch it then...cool. you are indeed a font of authority.

If it was a valid science then what is this fella doing preaching it, oh thats right, as you said, validating creation by arguing against it, unlike Mr Dawkins who was so badly humiliated by Hovind he wont debate anymore

From where I'm looking It's far more likely Jesus was the son of the god of the Hebrews born into flesh than it is Hovind has embarrassed anyone other than himself. Please do some basic research before you just repeat some bull s# you heard from your buddies because Dawkins didn't stop debating publicly as you claim. He simply isn't going to be the gynecologist explaining child birth to stork adherents.

If this blokes rant wasnt neccesary to you and other believers then evolution would be valid, its not.

How exactly is this necessary to what I know, have learned and have taught? This is old hat and stuff I've been learning for nearly 30 years. Long before youtube, long before the internet was a usable thing for the average person and long before I had ever heard of this gentlemans

You are welcome to believe what you want, dont dictate what I can believe.


you ply me with the same tripe nearly every time I reply to a post of yours and it's stale and sad at this point. NOBODY is dictating anything to you. You are entirely welcome to remain in the bliss of your ignorance for the rest of your lovely god fearing life.



You are no better than the religious priests and wierdos you rant and rail about, no better than a member of wesboro baptist church


Why because I can look at both sides of the coin? I don't force you to come into these threads, I don't force you to read my replies, I don't do anything remotely in the vein of the religious weirdo's whom you think I rant about. The fact that you are so offended by me and my thoughts is in and of itself rather telling. If you were really so secure in your beliefs and faith you wouldn't feel so threatened by people like me. But you are.

Think about that


Theres nothing to think about except the fact that you are a textbook example of what is discussed in the video and how bad I feel for people like you who refuse to look for even a moment for fear of burning your poor little soul.The difference between you and I is that I can entertain the notion that I may not be right. That's not a thought that will ever creep into your noggin.



posted on Apr, 1 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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I know it's the purest optimism on my part to think you are open to any thinking outside your own subjective reality construct, but what the hell. No harm in trying.

You might want to briefly consider, just consider for a moment the concept of confirmation bias, demonstrated here -



I'm kidding myself here, aren't I? Oh well..



posted on Apr, 2 2015 @ 04:25 AM
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originally posted by: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing
a reply to: borntowatch

I know it's the purest optimism on my part to think you are open to any thinking outside your own subjective reality construct, but what the hell. No harm in trying.

You might want to briefly consider, just consider for a moment the concept of confirmation bias, demonstrated here -



I'm kidding myself here, aren't I? Oh well..


No I wont be interested in confirmation bias until you acknowledge your own first

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