Report: Euphoria over ‘return’ of Crimea has passed among Russians

a reply to: Meduzi

Yes, but I disagree. I Don't believe Europe is moving to the right, I think that the right is getting more vocal, and they are getting support from Russia in the hopes that it will lead to a disintegration of the EU and collapse of NATO.

I don't see how the rise of the UK Independence Party, a party who have mopped up the BNP (who in turn mopped up the National Front) are being helped by Russia. Please explain that connection.

The rise of Marie Le Pen, in a country more socialist than many, isn't from people voting Left. And people becoming "more vocal" is the same as "moving to the Right" when they visit the ballot box.

a reply to: Meduzi

I don't see how the rise of the UK Independence Party, a party who have mopped up the BNP (who in turn mopped up the National Front) are being helped by Russia. Please explain that connection.

I didn't say UKIP was, did I? In fact, if you clicked on the link, you would see that I explicitly excepted them.

The rise of Marie Le Pen, in a country more socialist than many, isn't from people voting Left. And people becoming "more vocal" is the same as "moving to the Right" when they visit the ballot box.

On the other hand, Marine Le Pen's FN has received money from the Kremlin funneled through a "privately owned" Russian Bank. In fact, the move is not to the right, it is away from the center. People who have suffered most from the economic downturn are gravitating away from those they hold responsible.

Those moving left traditionally tend to be " internationalist," so they don't mind the EU; instead, they blame Capitalism and the Anglo-American/G8/Bilderberg fiscal and banking system. They oppose military adventurism because they want the funds spent on social programs and they resent the way the Powers That Be let Israel get away with murder.

Those moving right have always been nationalist, and they blame the economic downturn on the surrender of national; sovereignty to the Socialist fools in Brussels. They also blame Eastern European immigrants for taking their jobs away from them and Muslims, of course, for the rise in crime. Needless to say, they believe the Powers That Be are being run by Israel.

This thinning of the center is temporary; except for Greece and possible Spain, the center left and center right will be able to form coalition governments until the recovery takes hold and people get comfortable again. The increased number of votes that the more radical parties of both ends of the spectrum have been getting, chiefly in local elections, represent, then a protest vote, not a movement. I fully expect to see a third party candidate set a third party record in the upcoming US presidential election for similar reasons. This could be Al Gore and the Green Party's year!

a reply to: Meduzi

My bad! I thought I had directed you to this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is where I discuss " covert" Russian support for European Fascist organizations, and their fawning support for Putin.

a reply to: DJW001

America does this all the time though, why are they freaking out? It's like calling double dribbling when your walking down the court with the ball in your hands. I don't know, maybe it's good theater to point the finger at one thing while doing exactly, that thing.

Ask Hawaii, the American Simona, and Haiti about unwanted invasions against the will of the populace.

Yea, it's done great in Haiti!

a reply to: cenpuppie

Yea, it's done great in Haiti!

I don't know any Haitian who preferred life under the Duvaliers, and I don't see Russia rushing to provide disaster relief there, either.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Meduzi

My bad! I thought I had directed you to this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is where I discuss " covert" Russian support for European Fascist organizations, and their fawning support for Putin.

《DOUBLE FACEPALM》

You pointed me to a thread, describing various ideologies (of which I have no need to have explained to me, thanks) so I wasted some time, finding nothing of relevance. Then after you realise your mistake, point me to another thread, of a hundred or so posts. I won't be looking again. Just remake your point, if you have one.

To be honest, after you either misunderstood or deliberately twisted my reply, then incorrectly referred to another thread, I switched off. I've made my point on the topic of this thread, I don't see what is left to say.

a reply to: Meduzi

Of course. Why open your mind when you already know it all?

a reply to: Meduzi

Of course. Why open your mind when you already know it all?

Now you've double posted.

Don't be a dolt. You've got a banner with Voltaire, yet you appear as bigoted as the next bigot.

originally posted by: Meduzi
Now you've double posted.

Don't be a dolt. You've got a banner with Voltaire, yet you appear as bigoted as the next bigot.

Please explain in what way I am bigoted. Unlike some, I am always willing to learn about my flaws so that I can overcome them.

a reply to: DJW001

I'm bored now, really, but I'll give it a go. You've presented a topic that demonstrates an overwhelming voice in favour of a position, yet presented it as negativity. When it's pointed out by myself and others, of the fact that you're dealing with "in favour" figures, you appear to lambaste those opinions. Of course, we are all afforded that privilege, and a better place this site is for it, but it also brings out the bigoted.

IMO, you appear generally anti-whatever-Russia-is-up-to (and no, I haven't read all of your other 13,400 posts to qualify my assumption), but you have certainly taken my more-positive view, as "pro-Putin", and even, ridiculously accused me of being pro-Nazi.

I believe that I have a more balance position, but if you believe otherwise, then sod Voltaire, he's dead, I'll defend your right to hold your position (though not to the death). You could learn a lot from Voltaire, he abhorred intolerance.

a reply to: DJW001

Oh yea, how much of that disaster money (any of it) actually got spent helping Haiti and not lining someone's pocket?

a reply to: Meduzi

I'm bored now, really, but I'll give it a go. You've presented a topic that demonstrates an overwhelming voice in favour of a position, yet presented it as negativity.

You are confusing the article I cite with me. According to T&C, one must use the headline of the article cited. That is what I have done.

When it's pointed out by myself and others, of the fact that you're dealing with "in favour" figures, you appear to lambaste those opinions. Of course, we are all afforded that privilege, and a better place this site is for it, but it also brings out the bigoted.

"In favor" and against are two sides of the same coin. Russian propagandists have emphasized the Crimean response to Russia's annexation. This article examines the Russian response.

IMO, you appear generally anti-whatever-Russia-is-up-to (and no, I haven't read all of your other 13,400 posts to qualify my assumption), but you have certainly taken my more-positive view, as "pro-Putin", and even, ridiculously accused me of being pro-Nazi.

Thank you for admitting your opinion is formed out of ignorance. I love the Russian people and their culture, which is why I find Putin's increasingly Fascist policies to be so offensive. Do you support Putin's revanchist, totalitarian policies or not? If you do, I hope you don't mind being characterized as "fascist." If you do not support them, why do you consider them to be "positive?"

I believe that I have a more balance position, but if you believe otherwise, then sod Voltaire, he's dead, I'll defend your right to hold your position (though not to the death). You could learn a lot from Voltaire, he abhorred intolerance.

In what way is defending lies in the defense of imperialism "more balanced?"

So, just to be clear, you're stating that supporting revanchism, means that, that person is likely to be fascist?

a reply to: Meduzi

Revanchism has always been a strong component of Fascism.

a reply to: DJW001

So has war.

I'll ask again. Are you stating that supporting revanchism, means that, that person is likely to be fascist?

originally posted by: Meduzi
a reply to: DJW001

So has war.

I'll ask again. Are you stating that supporting revanchism, means that, that person is likely to be fascist?

What part of my answer did you not understand?

I'll help you here. The options are "yes" or "no".

originally posted by: Meduzi
I'll help you here. The options are "yes" or "no".

Why do you limit me to options you exempt yourself from? I intend to answer in the same spirit you do.