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Star Trekkin' to Alpha Centauri

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posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: EA006
a reply to: JadeStar

Daedalus doesn't look like it has any braking system, so it's hitting alpha centauri at 80m mph?

That's a great introduction to any life there lol



Kid alien: "hey dad whats that bright star thingy whizzing across the sky, could it be visiting life forms?!?"

Daddy Alien: "Dont be ridiculous kid, its probably just another comet, ignore it and get back to memorizing the teaching of alien jesus"

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To those saying "omg 50, 100, 1000 years round trip? thats stupid." Yes somthing we cant quite do we should just give up because we always got extreme technological advances first time. *sigh*

As much as it would be cool as heck to leave the solar system to go to another one, i wont be the one going and im okay with that, the fact clever people are really thinking about it tells me that humans will get there one day - you know, all horrible tragedies aside.




posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: big_BHOY
a reply to: stormbringer1701

Weight is always going to be a problem for spacecraft. So unless fusion or anti-matter comes about, it's not feasible to load them up with armour & all the extra weight they carry.

In this case, that armour might stop most bullets, but imagine a pebble sized bit of rock impacting your ship while it's going 10% the SOL.

If graphene armour or the like is ever practical then that's a different story altogether as it's super tough & super light. So you could layer this stuff up on your ship & it would take the small impacts with ease.

There will most likely be a multi-stage approach taken. A lightweight armour. A plasma forcefield held in place by a magnetic field & an energy weapon to take care of any larger pieces of debris that threatens the ship.


it would be part of a layered defense. i have listed other impact avoidance and mitigation systems. you would want a meter of this stuff as part of the hull or in a tank in front of the ship as added insurance. also diju see the article on lambda baryons? it's basically a regular 3 quark baryon with a few extra quarks in it in the form of in this case a stable kaon pair. the thing about it is kaons are normally extremely fleeting. they are unstable and go poof in less than a second. much less. but these appear to to at least last longer and though the article did not say, they could be stable. thing is if your nucleons are made of something like a kaon or muon or something even smaller the nuclear bonding energy and the electronic binding energy is far stronger than normal matter. and that means you could have a material that can take an atomic bomb and not even so much as twitch. if you had a nucleon made of monopoles you could have nuclear and electronic bonding lengths 2000 or more times shorter than ordinary matter. you would have stuff that can exist in solid form in the interior of the sun and exist on the surface of a neutron star without so much as changing by a nanometer.



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 07:01 PM
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As far as braking: don't you just flip the ship 180 and use the propulsion in the opposite direction to slow down/stop with some of these?



posted on Apr, 8 2015 @ 10:06 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
As far as braking: don't you just flip the ship 180 and use the propulsion in the opposite direction to slow down/stop with some of these?
it is the standard way and it has merits. you maintain artificial gravitation as long as you are either accelerating or deaccelerating. OTOH the rocket equation is a bear. it takes as much fuel to slow down as speed up so if you go that route your fuel mass requirement doubles. in fact if want high relativistic speed the fuel requirements are impossibly huge. and believe it or not that is a huge understatement of the problem. it impossible in fact to carry or even acquire enough fuel to do it.



posted on Apr, 9 2015 @ 08:25 AM
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oh hey! Mr March of Eagleworks has said something about the Warp interferometry experiment. It was said to be on hiatus due to deadline pressure on the EM drive but either this new information is about stuff that happened before the hiatus or the hiatus is lifted. I don't know which. But here is what he said that is new information:




Dr. Rodal:

Sonny White formulated a compressible quantum vacuum conjecture that requires us to live in a portion of the universe that is immersed in a false vacuum that apparently has a ground or zero-energy level much smaller than science first assumed. However what will drive this debate is experimental data first and foremost. Experimental data like what just came out of the Eagleworks Lab's latest warp-field interferometer tests based on 27,000, 1.5 second long on/off data samples that indicates we have finally observed the first spacetime contraction effects that we are fairly confident are the real deal. We again are looking for more possible false positives as well as ways of increasing the signal to noise ratio above its current ~2-to-3 sigma level, which I've already suggested several ways to do so to Dr. White. However what is really interesting about these new test results is that the laser interferometer observed spacetime contractions are being developed in a TM010 RF resonant cavity that is driving ac E-field levels over 900kV/m at a 1.48 GHz rate. A similar RF resonant system used to implement the EM-Drive and Q-thruster designs, for these spacetime contraction effects are paramount to the operation of both.

BTW, we have also started the build of our 1.2kW magnetron powered EM-Drive prototype in a tetter-totter balance system that is being built to replicate the thrust magnitudes of the Shawyer tests and the Chinese replication of same. Estimated build time should in the 2 month time period with the limited manpower available. A picture of the chaotic magnetron spectra that will be used on this system is attached along with the TE011 mode that will be driven.

Best, Paul M.


so preliminary results show a warp signature. Sigma is too low for absolute in your face presentation. They are gonna turn up the volume. The higher ups know of this result and know it is highly related to the QVPT EM drive which they now are willing to support. chances are they also support the continuance of the warp interferometry research.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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While we are considering protection systems think about how that will have to operate. If we look just straight forward we are subject to glancing blows for items coming in on the side. Since planets untethered to a solar system exist out there how do we avoid them? The faster you fly the less you can maneuver to avoid obstacles. Then from an operational point of view the radar has to work correctly without missing a beep for over 100 years. That is another real leap in reliability. Carrying the replacement devices on board poses another weight issue. So what do they do when 5 light years out they get an unrecoverable issue with the avoidance system? Reduce speed to avoid the power of the collision or press on until something vaporizes the entire ship?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: datasdream
While we are considering protection systems think about how that will have to operate. If we look just straight forward we are subject to glancing blows for items coming in on the side. Since planets untethered to a solar system exist out there how do we avoid them?


They're not likely to be so dense that you'd encounter one. But detecting these cold dark objects would be the job of infrared and radar astronomy instruments onboard.


Then from an operational point of view the radar has to work correctly without missing a beep for over 100 years.


Redundant systems. We have systems on spacecraft that have outlasted their projected lifespan 10 times over.

Carrying the replacement devices on board poses another weight issue.

Its not a weight issue, it's a mass issue but we have 3D printers, who says you have to carry more than one? You simply print replacement parts.


So what do they do when 5 light years out they get an unrecoverable issue with the avoidance system?


Interstellar space is hella empty. It is not the pressing issue you make it out to be.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: JadeStar

Interstellar space is hella empty. It is not the pressing issue you make it out to be.


Haha!


That's sick



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 09:08 PM
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warp drive preliminary measurements at low sigma are positive. improvements to the device will enable higher sigma confidence. perhaps publishable levels of confidence.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:43 PM
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diametric drive may be real! www.nature.com...


if you are not familiar with it: diametric drive is one of the theoretically possible ways to make stuff go really really really really really really really really fast:

en.wikipedia.org...

did i mention its really incredibly fast?


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posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 10:50 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701

So are you saying that they're actually creating and testing real warp fields?



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: stormbringer1701

So are you saying that they're actually creating and testing real warp fields?
they are creating and testing whether an artificial warp can be created by technological means. this is fundamental science; not application thereof. *YET*

however this new thing i am talking about would be closer to immediate application than warp drive. it may take hundreds of years to go from "oh look at the cute tiny warp bubble!" to a workable warp drive. but a diametric drive would probably be easier to implement on a large scale.



posted on Apr, 13 2015 @ 11:09 PM
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they are tearing up several assumptions of modern physics:

phys.org...

www.creol.ucf.edu...

If this works it changes ...everything.


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posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 05:04 AM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701

No they don't. They are using modern physics to construct some interesting experiments.

This optical diametric drive doesn't violate known physics in any way.
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posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: stormbringer1701

No they don't. They are using modern physics to construct some interesting experiments.

This optical diametric drive doesn't violate known physics in any way.


Newton's third law. conservation principles. pt symmetry.



posted on Apr, 14 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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WRT to collisions. Sol is in a part of the galaxy known as the local bubble. sometime in the distant past a supernova blew everything out of the area. this bubble covers many near by destinations too. for that reason the density of space dust bunnies is lower here than in other parts of space.



posted on Sep, 4 2016 @ 02:05 PM
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I always been a fan of Orion and Daedalus. I always found it funny. Before Black Projects fell off the table completely in the 1950's and 1960's, a lot of projects went forward and then suddenly cancelled:
NB-36H /X-6 nuclear powered Aircraft, NERVA, The Avro Space Car. it was concept proven aircraft, the scale model would have had much more powerful Engines.
What did Russia or China develop? Its too bad all the ideas and experiments that were worked on in these countries with Real Money thrown at the projects then just to cancelled? No. I don't believe it. Turn 1970 we hear nothing from the Black World of space science propulsion except what has been show to the world publicly. I am not talking Aliens and Roswell. Area 51 to test things for humans built by humans. No mystery, except that it's being done by real human geniuses.
Combined with Russian, Chinese, Japanese, ANZAC, UK, France, Germany and anyone else. i believe we could build a probe that could travel between 5-10% the speed of light. perhaps a little more.

We wouldn't even have to stop hating each other. Russia had had American on MIR and Soyuz Aircraft to ISS. I am not sure is Russians flew the shuttle to the ISS before it retired, I just don't remember. Only the Chinese are going alone.
Peace existance would be nice, but it's not required.



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