UK Elections

originally posted by: DAZ21

And before you say, many immigrants work in our hospitals, we need them etc

I always laugh at this argument.

Its like a broken record from the MP's

Don't they understand with a point based system doctors and nurses would still be allowed in? As if there is a needed skill they would get the points to warrant entry?

Australia lets in plenty with the right skills.


Not that I really have a beef with the immigration system. But I live in a community that hasn't had a immigrant influx.
I sympathize with the community's that have though Obviously there is a problem in places or it would not a issue brought up every other day......

originally posted by: DAZ21


Oh god, not another one of those people who cry racist...

People who are worried about immigration aren't racist. Having a points based system will allow for sensible immigration, it will allow us to let in those we actually need and not every man and his dog.

There's a reason the schools are full, the NHS is struggling the house prices are too high, the wages are being suppressed, communities are struggling to integrate.

I agree there's nothing racist about discussing immigration, however lets be honest here - those problems are being caused by a variety of different reasons including immigration.

House prices are too high as succesive governments have failed to build extra ones en masse for over 50 years.

The NHS is failing because succesive governments have cut funding, misallacated spending and failed to hire enough staff or beds.

Wages are being supressed because the government allows zero hours, wont raise the minimum wage and multinationals can set up in other countries.

People are struggling to integrate as the government have removed all provisions to help them do so and it's not as if britons haven't been guilty of white flight and self segregation for the past 300 years.

There are thousands of other contributing factors. Blaming it all on immigration (not saying you do but Farage does) is just xenophobic scapegoating that solves nothing and has no place in an adult discussion on politics.

a reply to: bastion

Yeah exactly why I don't like Farage.

Its not the immigrants themselves.

Its the governments fault for underestimating immigration numbers, not updating and improving infrastructure to accommodate them and poorly managing g entry requirements.

Don't blame the immigrants blame the government.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: DAZ21
Farage was right with his HIV comment, are we a Global Health Service, or a National Health Service?
The only man to speak the truth.

I dont agree with alot of UKIP

But he was right on the NHS

And none of the other POS politicians awnsered his queation head on, just went off on tangents.


Sorry but the who nature of the NHS is you pay into the system with NI

People just arrived have not paid anything into the system.


If your a immigrant then you should not get NHS cover until your working and paying into the system.

Do you believe immigrants come here to deliberately get ill just so they can use the NHS..?. They look a damn sight more healthy and in shape than we do as far as i can see.

The UK population is probably one of the most unhealthy populations in the European community, Last time i checked we were worlds leaders in new cancer cases, just behind the US on obesity, up there with the best when it comes to heart disease. top the charts in Europe on child asthma...the list goes on and on.

Maybe we should look at our own home bread users and abusers of the NHS before we critisise "Johnny Foreigner" for all of our "ill's"

Yes but we have paid into the system.


sorry I don't see why we should be handing out freebies across the Europe and the world.

We need to focus on people in the UK first. Thats working people Natives and legal working Immigrants.


Im not anti Immigration. I don't want to stop Immigration but I do want a more balanced approach.

If they come here surely they will work? And if they work I have no issue with them getting healthcare as they will be paying NI. What is unfair about that?

How many Brits now currently live in spain and various other countries around the globe yet come here for their NHS treatment..
Around half a million Brits now live full time in Spain but will jump on a plane back home to Blighty if they ever need a hip replacement or any sort of operation, but i dont see anyone have a problem with that and they no longer pay tax here.

immigration balances itself out, we go there, they come here..

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: DAZ21
Farage was right with his HIV comment, are we a Global Health Service, or a National Health Service?
The only man to speak the truth.

I dont agree with alot of UKIP

But he was right on the NHS

And none of the other POS politicians awnsered his queation head on, just went off on tangents.


Sorry but the who nature of the NHS is you pay into the system with NI

People just arrived have not paid anything into the system.


If your a immigrant then you should not get NHS cover until your working and paying into the system.

Do you believe immigrants come here to deliberately get ill just so they can use the NHS..?. They look a damn sight more healthy and in shape than we do as far as i can see.

The UK population is probably one of the most unhealthy populations in the European community, Last time i checked we were worlds leaders in new cancer cases, just behind the US on obesity, up there with the best when it comes to heart disease. top the charts in Europe on child asthma...the list goes on and on.

Maybe we should look at our own home bread users and abusers of the NHS before we critisise "Johnny Foreigner" for all of our "ill's"

Yes but we have paid into the system.


sorry I don't see why we should be handing out freebies across the Europe and the world.

We need to focus on people in the UK first. Thats working people Natives and legal working Immigrants.


Im not anti Immigration. I don't want to stop Immigration but I do want a more balanced approach.

If they come here surely they will work? And if they work I have no issue with them getting healthcare as they will be paying NI. What is unfair about that?

How many Brits now currently live in spain and various other countries around the globe yet come here for their NHS treatment..
Around half a million Brits now live full time in Spain but will jump on a plane back home to Blighty if they ever need a hip replacement or any sort of operation, but i dont see anyone have a problem with that and they no longer pay tax here.

immigration balances itself out, we go there, they come here..

Sorry but if you immigrate to the UK you immigrate to work.

why is that such a hard and unfair thing to ask?

No work, no welfare.

I dont give a crap what Spain does.

I dont want to tell them how to manage there immigration and I dam well dont want them telling us how to handle ours!

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: DAZ21
Farage was right with his HIV comment, are we a Global Health Service, or a National Health Service?
The only man to speak the truth.

I dont agree with alot of UKIP

But he was right on the NHS

And none of the other POS politicians awnsered his queation head on, just went off on tangents.


Sorry but the who nature of the NHS is you pay into the system with NI

People just arrived have not paid anything into the system.


If your a immigrant then you should not get NHS cover until your working and paying into the system.

Do you believe immigrants come here to deliberately get ill just so they can use the NHS..?. They look a damn sight more healthy and in shape than we do as far as i can see.

The UK population is probably one of the most unhealthy populations in the European community, Last time i checked we were worlds leaders in new cancer cases, just behind the US on obesity, up there with the best when it comes to heart disease. top the charts in Europe on child asthma...the list goes on and on.

Maybe we should look at our own home bread users and abusers of the NHS before we critisise "Johnny Foreigner" for all of our "ill's"

Yes but we have paid into the system.


sorry I don't see why we should be handing out freebies across the Europe and the world.

We need to focus on people in the UK first. Thats working people Natives and legal working Immigrants.


Im not anti Immigration. I don't want to stop Immigration but I do want a more balanced approach.

If they come here surely they will work? And if they work I have no issue with them getting healthcare as they will be paying NI. What is unfair about that?

How many Brits now currently live in spain and various other countries around the globe yet come here for their NHS treatment..
Around half a million Brits now live full time in Spain but will jump on a plane back home to Blighty if they ever need a hip replacement or any sort of operation, but i dont see anyone have a problem with that and they no longer pay tax here.

immigration balances itself out, we go there, they come here..

Actually I do have a problem with that.

If you don't pay into the pot, you shouldn't get the benefits (Like Sky TV, don't pay for it you don't get it)

a reply to: crazyewok

Exactly.

I'm in a town and surrounded by towns that are under a great influx.

Let me tell you the situation I'm in at the moment. I've always been lucky when landing a job things have fallen right for me. But recently just over a month ago I have become unemployed. Now I had an interview a couple of weeks ago and was told I'd be in charge of the production line quality inspection and was shown around.

The whole of the factory was full of eastern Europeans, and look I don't blame them for working here, I'd want to work for a better wage myself and move country. But the question I asked myself was, how many British born people are being kept out of jobs here, and I know other companies employ the same way.

The thing is, I'm unemployed I need some temporary work while I'm looking, and I'm getting desperate. 6 years ago I could have easily found temporary work while I was job hunting for a better job, but now I struggled along with many other British workers in the same situation, and British workers that need those jobs full stop, when these jobs are blatantly filled by eastern Europeans for the benefit of the company profits.

Now we know that companies will employ these immigrants because it makes sense for them, it's a smart move, I'd do the same thing, but it doesn't make it right or help British born workers.

Let's also face it, that this was bound to happen, countries with poor economies will have economic migrants that flood to rich economies where work is bountiful and wages are perceived to be amazing. Add the fact that English is the second tongue of the world's population in most instances, and it's not hard to work out where eastern European migrants will head given an open borders policy.

This is the situation that we are in, and this is the affect it's having on the British workers and I can vouch for that, as I'm being affected as we speak.

originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: crazyewok



Now we know that companies will employ these immigrants because it makes sense for them, it's a smart move, I'd do the same thing, but it doesn't make it right or help British born workers.

So you are anti immigration but yet if you had your own business you would employ a migrant over a natural born Brit...You and Farage would get along fine..Hypocrite much??...You really couldn't make this guy up.

a reply to: crazyewok

No its corrupt only because we allow corrupt members to sit in parliament.

No the system is corrupt and needs to change. Blair took UK forces into two illegal wars under our name. Anyone done anything about it..

Lie to the government you will get yourself arrested. A politician lies to you well thats just politics. They have all sold out. Big decisions bypass the democratic process.

No the apple is rotten to the core.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

No, the point I'm trying to make, is that it makes good business sense to go for the workers that will work for the smallest possible amount, as a business owner you'd be a fool not to, wouldn't you?

I'm obviously against it, I wrote it and you like most lefties have twisted my words for your own agenda.

What I'm trying to point out is that the way the system is set up, in regards to the free movement of people, is broken and stopping British workers from getting these jobs that they could once upon a time.

originally posted by: DAZ21
a reply to: Soloprotocol

No, the point I'm trying to make, is that it makes good business sense to go for the workers that will work for the smallest possible amount, as a business owner you'd be a fool not to, wouldn't you?

I'm obviously against it, I wrote it and you like most lefties have twisted my words for your own agenda.

You Mean like I G Farben..? And i know what you wrote, Here's the said quote from you..

Now we know that companies will employ these immigrants because it makes sense for them, it's a smart move, I'd do the same thing,

Dont think there was anything to twist..I just copied and pasted your own words.

Anyway, you post reeks of the old Martin Niemoller quote..

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me... :Martin Niemöller

Well tough titty, because i have no time for the "I'm alright jack" Brigade.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol


How many Brits now currently live in spain and various other countries around the globe yet come here for their NHS treatment..
Around half a million Brits now live full time in Spain but will jump on a plane back home to Blighty if they ever need a hip replacement or any sort of operation, but i dont see anyone have a problem with that and they no longer pay tax here.

The vast amount of Brits living in Spain and other European countries are

retired so wouldn't be paying tax anyway, and have already paid their NI

contributions when working, and being (as at present) in the Euro they

are entitled to reciprocal health arrangements.

Farage and the HIV Lie

The truth is out.

Sturgeon would prefer another Conservative Government rather than one lead by Labour.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

If i were an SNP Supporter i know what i would be thinking.

originally posted by: alldaylong
The truth is out.

Sturgeon would prefer another Conservative Government rather than one lead by Labour.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

If i were an SNP Supporter i know what i would be thinking.

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha....

Funny how this,,"exclusive" comes out the day after Nicola wiped the floor with every last one of them..

BS



Once again...Ahahahahahahahahahaha.

originally posted by: Mister_Bit

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Lots of people in England wish they could vote SNP

Well they can't, so that's a pointless thing to think.

Well, they can, they just need to move to Scotland.

For anyone in Cameron’s constituency.

He voted for Iraq.

a reply to: alldaylong

Delve a little deeper and you'll see the real truth.
It's blatant smearing in act of desperation.
This has only made people even more supportive of the SNP and Sturgeon.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I no more believe the French consul general than I do any British politician , personally I think it would suit the SNP to have 5 more years of Tory rule.