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Because this is given as an actual fixed ratio (rather than being extrapolated from a circle area procedure) it’s arguably the first discovered value for pi. It’s also intriguing in that relating the inscribed polygon to the circle is how Archimedes gets the first truly rigorous calculation ofpi — he just adds more sides to get a closer estimate.
The subdivided square is called the quincunx diamond, which was also known among the ancient Chinese and Mayans. Quincunx means 5 portions, counting the center and 4 cardinal directions. Sometimes, the Mayans oriented the quincunx was oriented to the four points of the equinox(2) and the solitice(2). Among the Mayans, the 2 solar overhead or crossover points were sometimes added to include 7 points.
The key to understanding many of tbe Sumerian geometric coefficients and figures is the 16 square grid with the unit square and unit circle. Even some enigmatic figures turn out to be based on the 16 square grid. The complex knot design was found on the back of a clay tablet, perhaps as a decorative book cover. The freehand drawing contains many visual illusions. Some parts of the decorative knot overlay the 16 square grid, including the rope straight lines and turns.
originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Baddogma
It's true ancient languages had far more characters and ways of expression than modern, and the same goes for measurement and accounting, it can be looked at two ways, that they were more capable of handling complex systems or that we have streamlined and improved upon the systems.
In Theology the case for me seems more clear cut, the Sumerians had a vastly superior religious system than anything at present, and even that was undergoing simplification and syncretism at least by the Akkadian period, Monotheism wasn't any sort of advancement it was simply giving up trying to understand and leaving it to some vague notion of 'God', everything just lumped together.
In many other areas things have almost died out, folk lore, the narrative of the constellations, herbalism, spiritualism and esoteric, craft skills, so perhaps people will generally end up knowing pretty much nothing and find it increasingly difficult to relate to anything...
people will generally end up knowing pretty much nothing and find it increasingly difficult to relate to anything...
originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Kantzveldt
...the Sumerian Goddess Nisaba was held to hold a Lapis Lazuli tablet upon which was the schematic of the Heavens, that through her observations of movements in time and space she could make predictive forecasts, that architectural formulations could reflect the greater pattern seen in the skies, but perhaps less well known that the scribal devotees' of Nisaba had a go at this themselves on their own tablets, the measurement of inter-stellar distances;
Hmmm...iridescent blue tablet eh? Could almost be a description of a blue screen on an electronic tablet, with an astronomy programme on it.
The arts of Nisaba's house of wisdom; palace archivist of heaven and earth, who keeps count of every single assignment, who holds a holy reed-stylus and covers the great tablets of destiny with writing!
To the true woman who possesses exceeding wisdom, always consulting a tablet of lapis lazuli, giving advice to all lands, the true woman, Nisaba, knowing the inmost secrets of numbers.
Or like the reason a cell has to be so small, because the volume of a sphere or circle increases faster than its surface area. So to feed its volume it has to be small to have enough surface area?
"Caulerpa is a unique organism," said Chitwood. "It's a member of the green algae, which are plants. Remarkably, it's a single cell that can grow to a length of six to twelve inches.
Or just as out of the box but even more simple of a possibility...if that makes sense...in my opinion as a lifelong history obsessed polyglot, I believe so much of the past is shrouded in mystery and riddle due to lack of vocabulary, more often I bet than we think, complicating such simple things. Had they the lexicon to work with of the 21st century, IF indeed there ever were beings with earthly origins (inner earth, atlantis, under water, etc.) or ET that ever came in contact with man.
Lapiz very well could have been used as nothing more than a description of color and as this is Sumer still etching on tablets waiting for Johnny Paper to get his new invention out there, "tablet" could be naturally WHATEVER was the receiving medium of written word and tablet only taking on the connotation of a heavy hard bulky object after thousands of years influencing it.
Imagine just in a hundred years how "tablet" will be what people call computers now, the whole stone thing definition #3 or 4 in the dictionary then a "computer" will seem as silly as when my grandpa would do his taxes with his casio solar powered "adding machine" and write a letter on his word processor lol. But honestly the lack of such simple inventions, simple words, and the "universe" often meaning our sun and its surroundings at times in the past, can turn "she had a blue paper she carried around with a schematic of the solar system" into the myths and fantasies of today, even if there was no intent to create fantasy.
Works backwards too. The word ship to us is any mode of transportation via water. air or space and the verb even works if meaning by car or foot. Go back in time and show the Enterprise, the Hindenburg, a saucer in flight. and say "these are ships" and even da Vinci who was sure air travel was days away, would have you straight jacketed because until air travel was reality "ship" hadn't evolved into such an all inclusive word. It was a wooden water floater and that's it.
I always wanted to make a post about so much that I have discovered that can be brought from myth or biblical nonsense to quite sensible and likely events by reassessing just one word which may not seem like much but heck, there's a few examples that I believe are not only so likely the fault of one single word being substituted for a word that would best fit when vocabulary didn't exist yet for it. These few examples if true, would rewrite history, shake the foundations of religions, abrahamic, native american, aboriginal, and hindu and prove quite a bit of what we see as entertaining mythology is actually meant as historic anecdotes.
Finally I don't like the terminology "ancient aliens" but it's almost laughable in this day and age to keep ignoring and laughing at the fact that over thousands and thousands of years on six continents, civilizations grew and civilizations fell, culture changes nothing etc. I can't find any people who recorded anything, passed down stories, had drama or any information relaying tech, not a single people who DON'T say beings much like humans, but either more technologically advanced or wielding magic powers, or who were gods, came to the people of earth. Who were physical tangible beings, and tell us they did the same things at each flippin place and each point in time.
For every people who were ever to have chosen the skies as their origin and they came bringing tech as nothing more than a crazy newly evolved social animal inventing nonsense about a man in the clouds to explain away what scared, naked and cold shivering man couldn't. Well I would say the people of the earth should ask one thing and one thing only, if there is an alien disclosure coming and that is, "Is there an intergalactic lottery and where can we get a ticket?," because oddly enough it's the mathy, sciency, atheisty people who mock those who consider ancient visits possible and yet they ignore the fact that all of our ancestors were documenting it every era, every geographic location. If looked at by any statistic scrutiny would be statistically impossible.
My being a devout Christian reinforces it. Just as I hate terminology like ancient alien, demon and angel that has had too much various meaning attached to the words. Even my religion tells me these beings came down as what the bible calls fallen angels or demons, and in fact the person who scribed the oldest books deemed this interaction so central to everything past present and future of mankind he only goes a page or two before telling us so. That tells me its important, that it is a fact, and the apocrypha even say, "well lookie here, they will have star maps".
I won't go any further since it took me years to train myself not to allow a word to spark an image in my head when pondering christianity but extreme cross culture study while ignoring weight attached to words after so long, while looking for real evidence, is what turned me from atheist city into the god loving guy I am now. My whole introduction to ATS was yrs ago when I would look for religious people online and I just had to laugh at how dumb they could be.
You don't have to be a polyglot to see it's all over history. It truly bends and twists the mind, heart and soul all over the place when you look at things like ancient god, weapons- Thors hammer, Ra's ankh, Kalis arrow, Zeus thunderbolt, the ark of the covenant- if not the same things very possibly connected and more interesting when reading the story in Mahabgavida (totally botched that didnt i) of the nuclear war. When clues followed leading us to a very ancient ruined city underwater a mile from Mumbai just as the book said, where it looks and tested like a nuclear wasteland.
The ark was able to melt an enemy next to an unscathed friend and was carried on poles to keep it very far from the carriers who as well as all of those who cared for it in the temple, or anyone who came near to it died of cancer. Yes the idea of sentient nuclear energy harnessed by man is crazy, but its simply too crazy to be all a coincidence.
I believe a limited vocabulary is what gave us the puzzle we have now, but I would bet it is much more simple than that. Like I said, I have so much I think about that I figured out, but this one is my current obsession. The most important thought may be about the fall from grace story that exists everywhere, if we just knew what they meant it could reveal the very meaning of life.
You know the fall, the Cherokee boy stealing from the heavens, Prometheus bringing fire from Olympus, eating the fruit of knowledge in heaven forcing a new situation on earth. Anyway the moral of the story is that I have found very often time and again that things are much simpler than alternative history theory explores. It's just so hard when you have to realize we are getting information from people who communicated their observations of light years ahead of rocket science with hammer and chisel technology. For instance if you take Icelandic 101 and as your 1 final exam you are asked, "In Icelandic describe the mechanics of jet propulsion, time begins...now!"