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posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: Babushka
a reply to: ketsuko

I'll not bother with most of your post.

But on the issue of Russia doing what Germany did to Austria, well maybe that is a tad better that what the US did in Hawaii, when they simply annexed the Kingdom despite the opposition of the people who had been living there and governed their own islands for centuries.


Now that is a very good point.

The natives are still restless about that to this day.




posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: WineAndCheese9

Stop drinking cheap wine......



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: johnwick

I also wonder how the original natives of Alaska feel about Russia selling their land to the Yanks ?



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: pavil



Lol did you imply we think Obama is tough enough to take on Putin??

Bwahah . Ahahshah, hahahaha, hahahah....

Wow thanks man I needed a good laugh.


Hey, I'm not the pro Russian posters here whining about how the super smart West is picking on poor innocent Russia. Just imagine if we had a real anti Putin President in power these past 7 years........

Even Western and Central Europe sees the threat that Putin is. Are you proud that Putin is restablishing the old Soviet Union again by aggression against its neighbors?


Hell no!!!

But Obama doesn't have the balls or even the ability to take on Putin.

If Putin is playing chess at the masters level here, and I think he is.

Obama is at best, learning checkers in elementary school.

Even when his advisors give him a good strategy, he twists it to fit his simplistic, "if we are nice to them they will like us" world view.

I just don't think the man can see the real world or how it works.

Or maybe he can and is doing this all on purpose.

Either way, at the moment Putin is and will continue to take what he wants.
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posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: johnwick

I also wonder how the original natives of Alaska feel about Russia selling their land to the Yanks ?


They didn't even know or understand at the time.

Today?

I have no idea honestly.



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: johnwick

I question the oft-asserted claim the Putin desires to reclaim lost territories of the Soviet Union.

He may regret the collapse of the USSR - he has said so - but he has gone on record countless times stating that no return to the USSR is possible. He wants neighbouring states to co-exist peacefully with Russia.

In addition, just like Lenin (who rolled-back socialist policies in the early 1920's), Gorbachev and Yeltsin before him, Putin knows that the old socialist ways of running things just do not work. Each of them recognized the importance of market mechanisms which means they recognised the need for personal gain and profit from the efforts.

To claim the Putin wants Russia to regress back to such infantile anti-market ideals and Sovietisation is rubbish. He wants peace, trade, a strong state, and mutual respect.

Just my opinions though.



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: Babushka
a reply to: johnwick

I question the oft-asserted claim the Putin desires to reclaim lost territories of the Soviet Union.

He may regret the collapse of the USSR - he has said so - but he has gone on record countless times stating that no return to the USSR is possible. He wants neighbouring states to co-exist peacefully with Russia.

In addition, just like Lenin (who rolled-back socialist policies in the early 1920's), Gorbachev and Yeltsin before him, Putin knows that the old socialist ways of running things just do not work. Each of them recognized the importance of market mechanisms which means they recognised the need for personal gain and profit from the efforts.

To claim the Putin wants Russia to regress back to such infantile anti-market ideals and Sovietisation is rubbish. He wants peace, trade, a strong state, and mutual respect.

Just my opinions though.


I agree withost of your points.

But one I have an issue with.

If Putin wants to live in peace with his neighbors why does he keep attacking them?

What he wants is to live in peace as long as they do as he wants.

Living on peace means that sometimes others are going to do things you font like.

You don't attack and force them to do what you want.

You live and let live.

If hecwant to live in peace he would only use military force when it was necessary to protect Russia from military force.

Now I am an american, so if I point a finger at Putin, I also gave to point one back at my country.

I am not saying america is any better, both of these countries have been acting like idiots lately.

Mine more so than Russia since the new millennium started.



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: Kapusta




But I would like to think that most of the members here have at least that "critical thinker " within and are able to see through most of the smoke our Government puts out.


Guess again. I see too many that want death and destruction on here. They are chomping at the bit to get it too.They can't think of anything better to do than to walk around and slap down 'enemys'. The enemys we have are manufactured by our government. Can't justify spending all this taxpayer money if you don't have a boogeyman,ya know? So they run around making them for us and feed us a bunch of nonsense that people fall right in line with believing. If they see support wane on it,why they just go make a new one before they have even settled anything with the old one.That way they keep their options open,just in case.

In the meantime our educational system lags behind the rest of the worlds.Our medical system is only for those with the money.And we have been bringing in foreigners to fill out our science research. JOBS themselves have become obsolete,the unemployment office is flat out playing with the numbers just like the government did in Iraq on our dead.We have Veterans living in the streets because their homes were foreclosed on while they served over seas,and no treatment while they wait to get in the VA. We have people that are protesting because racism is alive and well in the US,no matter what anyone likes to think,and a lack of social services to help pull those that want the chance out of their dismal lives to something better.On top of all this,we have a debt based dollar that is basically worthless.If other countries stop playing nice and refuse to use the dollar,its over for us.

While all this is going on,we will have a choice between evil or evil in 2016 to vote on,wow,I can't wait.But they have a solution folks!! Don't you worry a bit.When all seems lost,why we'll just bomb some country or give them weapons and that will make it all better for us. Nothing like a war to pull all the patsys together eh? They will wave a flag and those that fall for that will line up behind the flag never questioning why we are at war with someone that hasn't done a thing to us.Its the American way.

I growing up during the Vietnam war have seen by far more dead bodies and death and destruction than I ever wanted too. Our way is NOT the right way. It is death for money. Plain and simple. I don't know about this poster.I'll be honest,I don't even care. What I do care about is that America has become a caricature of itself. it is merely a cartoon of its values and has lost its way. The people don't care. If they care,then they have to find out the truth,once they have the truth,they fear they will then have to take action against our country to fix it. "yawn",more trouble than its worth,no thanks. Anyone that is silly enough to believe we are doing these things out of human rights' is only fooling themselves.It is not done for democracy,nor human rights,nor to 'help' any country at all. We have removed,those that were democratically elected,we have supplied the weapons to help kill the innocent.Has other countries? Yes,they sure have.But those are not were WE live. We don't need to be supporting dictators that have horrible human rights records.That is not what this country is supposed to be about. We do not belong supplying cluster bombs or chemical weapons to other countries. That is flat out wrong and we know it. Yet the American people don't make a peep about it. They have the rats trained well by now. I don't want to see anyone in any other country die.And then to die over money. Well,you have to be a special kind of sociopath for that don't you?



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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Obviously someone never tried to get a parking spot down town. Not happening unless they do it on Sunday when meters are free and nothing down there is open.



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 12:31 PM
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Whine and cheesy oh it's you again. Never mind.
Oh btw saying Russia is not paying you zilch is a double negative which means they are paying you. But to me that would be Russia throwing money down the drain so I'm inclined to think they're not paying you but you still love Russia and hate the USA. That much is all to clear to see. I'm out. This thread is worthless.
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posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: Babushka

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Babushka

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: intrptr

No, I mean rolling in and using every means at our disposal short of nukes to put the full populace into submission. We did it in WWII. It was done by Sherman during the Civil War. It is not nice. It does not do much to spare the populace or worry much about innocent civilians. It just does what a war machine does best.


So, what did the US do to Germany that it did not do to Iraq? Land, sea, or air, the overwhelming use of force resulted in occupation.


We stayed in Germany for decades, rather than mere years. Germany was also a far different country. Nazi ideology was only a thin veneer laid over top of another, far saner ideology which came to the fore as soon as the Nazis were removed. Germans were not Nazis, they were German.

The people of Iraq, by contrast, have been Muslim for centuries. That ideology has been firmly entrenched in the culture for generations. In order to think you are going to have any real impact on that, you would need to stay for at least a generation and have a real effect on how people perceive you and your culture as they grow up.

The idea of winning hearts and minds would have been a rebuilding thing and it would have taken decades to a generation or more of close partnership with the Iraqis. However, the political climate was not there to support such an effort, and of course, there would be no guarantee that such a thing would have worked even then. It was ambitious and different than other approaches.


First-up, many folk (rightly or wrongly) will question your assumptions about having bases in a country equating to somehow projecting a way of thinking. You should tell that to the folk of Ireland who had to put up with British military and culture for centuries... failed though did it not? Or Scotland? Or the Dutch in Indonesia, or France in VietNam?

Sadly, soft power (the ability to use cultural and other non-violent means) is often damaged by the use or presence of hard power (use of and presence of military forces). Force often destroys the good will of those toward whom soft power is targeted. Indeed, the level and scale of the use of force and its impact upon a populace can be seen as a direct correlation - the greater the use of force the greater the rejection of the occupation.

Germany can be said to have embraced "western" style democracy not because of US occupation but because that was their natural state of affairs. It can be argued that from a very early point in post-war Germany the Germans exhibited cultural and economic values far different from those of Americans. Resentment toward occupying western forces (and Soviet forces) was present, if not always publicly spoken.

To claim that the use of force and time of stay were factors in German compliance is wrong. Rather it was government-led sanctioning of a guaranteed defence paid for by the US and then NATO. It was the anti-Soviet bulwark represented by things such as The Berlin Airlift, Check Point Charlie and comparative freedom in West Germany.

As for your claiming that there was no "will" presence in Iraq to change, consider the fact that pre-invasion Iraq was a secular society with co-existing Jewish, Christian, Shiite and Sunnis. The invasion broke that peace that had lasted more less for hundreds of years. The result: ethnic cleaning and genocide.


Some policy somewhere sees toppled dictators and chaos in the middle east as a favorable policy.
Under Bush Iraq,
Under Obama Libya and almost Egypt.
Those are two opposing camps.
The common denominator is Russian influence in the region. Historically chaos in the region drives up the price of oil, which Russian economy depends on. Oil price is artificially low only because of the Saudis at the moment and low and behold their neighbor is destabilized and the Saudi Kingdom needs to go to war in Yemen.



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: WineAndCheese9

Do YOU want to fight us?
We are only CONTAINING right now,YOU got your port NOW GO HOME.
Before you give the GHOULS a platform to run this up as a second COLD WAR, like our IDIOT in charge is apparently doing with GREAT skill.



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: WineAndCheese9

good luck 'muricans think they're indestructible and cant possibly lose

you need a helmet and protective goggles lest one of them pokes your eye out with a corndog




and ironically america will lose any war with russia, despite any tecnichal superiority, whether real or perceived,
doesnt matter if you've got bigger bombs if you live in a crumbling infrastructural deathtrap




Who would lose world war 3? America, First Second and Third.
Preposterous? Think again. If there is one huge Freemason conspiracy in America that has gone unnoticed, it is the building codes mandating homes be built out of wood rather than other materials. There is no all encompassing Federal law or even a State law that mandates this, but it has indeed been accomplished by complete infiltration of city boards and enforcement at the local level. Concrete is far cheaper to build, lasts longer, and is far more secure. Why would Americans even think about putting a wooden home in tornado alley? Ask your local freemason lodge.

The near universal standard of fire, tornado, and NUCLEAR WEAPONS vulnerable wood homes in America is exactly why America would lose a nuclear war, and even a conventional war with Russia. And not by a little, America would easily be toasted 1000:1.
You cannot take what America does to an Arab country and compare that to what would happen in America. In Arab countries, homes are built out of concrete and brick, the way they should be, and therefore it takes bombs to destroy them. But if Russia even got one helicopter into an American city, and that helicopter had tracer bullets loaded in the guns, all it would take is one bullet per home and any home hit by a tracer round would burn to the ground. Any home not lit up by a tracer would become part of the firestorm anyway. One helicopter pass could annihilate a city of 50,000 in America.

And it would not even take that much in many cases
I know for certain that Boston has entire apartment complexes side by side for miles on end that are made out of wood. If even 20 of those got lit up by fire, there would be a chain reaction the fire departments could not stop and entire sections of the city would burn. In a war time setting, what would it take to accomplish that?

But wait, it is MUCH WORSE than this . . . .
America has little to no protection provided by the government in the form of fallout shelters. And wood homes provide virtually no protection from gamma radiation, so even the homes that did survive a conflict would be of dubious value. On the other hand, in addition to having construction that is far more resistant to damage from fire, and far more protective from radiation, Russia has enough actual fallout shelters to save approximately 70 percent of the population now, and those who make it to the fallout shelters late and are rejected will do far better than Americans will anyway because of the way things are built overall.

Bottom line?
America is banking an awful lot on "technical superiority" while having absolutely nothing to back it up in the way of national infrastructure. In a war time setting an American home is no better than a tent, and if the bombs start falling there will be absolutely no where to run to because the government did not care.

Here is a little scenario for you:

A 1 megaton nuclear bomb is detonated over an Arab city. In the first second, all the paint is burned off all surfaces facing the bomb. And the burning instantly stops after that because it's all concrete. Then the shock wave from the bomb hits the first homes that are in the crater zone and blows them away. A mile out from that, you start to see surviving walls. By the time you get three miles away from ground zero, practically all structures have survived to various degrees. Beyond that, you are out of the blast zone and there is only the 200 mph nuclear wind to worry about, which the concrete construction will shrug off with ease. Five miles out? Absolutely everyone survives the initial blast, and has only radiation to worry about. Total kill zone? right around 40 square miles.

A 1 megaton nuclear bomb is detonated over an American city. In the first second all the paint is burned off all surfaces facing the bomb, and after that everything keeps burning. A 200 mph nuclear wind extends outward for 30 miles in all directions, which wood homes will provide virtually no protection against. Within that radius only freak survival stories are to be had, with general devastation being the rule. Total devastation zone? approximately 3,000 square miles.

And because Americans have no experience with concrete, let me explain the difference: Though it can happen, an F5 tornado is not likely to destroy a well built solid concrete structure. It can happen but is not likely. The 200 mph "nuclear wind" from a nuclear bomb is only equal to an F3. According to the Federal government, there is no wood structure that can survive a direct hit from winds over 135 mph. Even a direct hit from an F1 will destroy almost any American home. The homes in the Arab world really would survive a nuclear attack, they really are that much better and American homes? A joke. A Mexican Chicken coop.

Offended? It really is that way, Mexicans use wood for animal shelters, they have not been brain whipped by so much mind numbing flag waving that they would ever think a wood home could actually be worth anything. They don't use wood to build something people will actually live in.

To those out there who are saying America would kick Russia's butt, keep in mind that there is a lot more to a war than what you have to blow the other guy up with. When it comes to having an ability to survive an attack, America does not even rate, consider your wooden home to offer a protection value of ZERO. And I believe it was made this way by intent, starting with the Federal Reserve takeover in 1911. This is approximately when they also launched Russia, and as part of their planning for a future American defeat by Russia, wood homes were mandated as the norm to prevent Americans from having anything they could actually mount a resistance from.
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if Russia even got one helicopter into an American city, and that helicopter had tracer bullets loaded in the guns, all it would take is one bullet per home and any home hit by a tracer round would burn to the ground. Any home not lit up by a tracer would become part of the firestorm anyway. One helicopter pass could annihilate a city of 50,000 in America.



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

An "honored warrior" throwing a tantrum. LOL. A real good advert for American policy



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: WineAndCheese9
Fine, perfectly fine, just remember me and this thread when you see chaos and US army called home to try and keep the peace


You are coming very close to saying you will be involved in an attack on Americans on American soil. If someone hasn't reported you to Homeland Security already I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

This topic isn't appropriate. US bashing is one thing but your implying actual attacks. Not Cool.


ORLY?
gonna call Homeland Security on the OP?
what a fascist reaction to an opinion, threaten with violence when you don't like what you hear...

#WineAndCheese9 c'estCharlie much?
edit on 29-3-2015 by AdamuBureido because: pardon my french



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: WineAndCheese9

Do you really believe any of that or are you getting near the end of your shift and haven't quite hit the quota?
LMAO. You are so obviously a paid troll.

Oh look, OP has bailed as usual. Posts a few inflammatory responses and runs. Like I said, must be the end of his shift.


after he's been threatened with swatting/calling DHS
don't worry, I've alerted the mods regarding all the T&C violations



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: Atsbhct
Why do members bother arguing or responding to these obvious accounts? It seems like the same person for the last month or so, creating a new account every week. If I thought I was allowed to name the accounts I would, but I'm sure most people realize which ones they are regardless.

By engaging these people, the problem only gets worse.


it gives them a chance to let their ugly american side out in the open



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 02:23 PM
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a reply to: AdamuBureido

LOL

A 1911 conspiracy for (here come the buzzwords) federal reserve freemasons (lol) to build America out of wood so nuclear bombs, which were not invented yet, could devastate?

Ever heard of the lumber industry?



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: AdamuBureido

originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: WineAndCheese9
Fine, perfectly fine, just remember me and this thread when you see chaos and US army called home to try and keep the peace


You are coming very close to saying you will be involved in an attack on Americans on American soil. If someone hasn't reported you to Homeland Security already I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

This topic isn't appropriate. US bashing is one thing but your implying actual attacks. Not Cool.


ORLY?
gonna call Homeland Security on the OP?
what a fascist reaction to an opinion, threaten with violence when you don't like what you hear...

#WineAndCheese9 c'estCharlie much?


Nobody has to call them the NSA was alerted while he posted it.

That's what a zetabyre processor does.

Trillions of actions per second.



posted on Mar, 29 2015 @ 02:46 PM
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I've just checked the three most anti American posters today on ATS and what a Strange thing, they've all joined (re joined) in the last two weeks. Seems a bit percular how so many Pro Kremlin members all joined in the same week as each other!

They seem to have the same writing style as previous members who's accounts are now dormant!

Is it against T&Cs to start naming these trolls and match them up with their previous ATS handles?


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