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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 01:04 AM
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WW3/Yemen Conflict Thread
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Attention, possible war starting

So here's the deal. As we all know a few months ago the government of yemen collapsed. What has happened next is right out of a tom clancy novel on ww3.

Iran russia and some of BRICS have chosen to back the houthi rebels in yemen, who are vying for control of the capital and seaports and oil fields. The US and anit houthi coalition, consisting of the saudis egypt and quatar, have chosen to backed the somewhat dodgy al quadia backed "yemen security forces" against the houthis.

Initially this was just a proxy war. But now its rapidly escalating. The Iranians have been using the babab el mendib straight to re supply their side. The egyptians got wise to this and blockaded their convoy. The result? There is now an open naval engagement with warning shots and everything between egyptian and iranian naval forces, which are now deadlocked in a standoff in the straight.

Significant factors
The us has diverted the carl s vinson carrier strike group and LHD 1 to the area. According to this strafor report another carrier group may be leaving for the area from the UK within the week:

From: www.stratfor.com...


Carrier Strike Groups

• The USS Carl Vinson CSG with CVW 17 embarked is underway in the U.S. 5th Fleet AOR supporting maritime security operations and conducting theater security cooperation efforts.

• The USS Theodore Roosevelt with CVW 1 embarked is on a scheduled port visit to Portsmouth, United Kingdom, before a deployment to the Middle East.

• The USS John C. Stennis is underway in the Pacific Ocean for a Tailored Ship's Training Availability and Final Evaluation Period.

Amphibious Ready Groups/Marine Expeditionary Units

• The USS Iwo Jima ARG with the 24th MEU embarked is underway for a deployment in the U.S. 5th Fleet AOR supporting maritime security operations and conducting theater security cooperation efforts.

• The USS Essex ARG with the 15th MEU embarked is underway in the Pacific Ocean conducting a Composite Training Unit Exercise.

• The USS Bonhomme Richard is underway in the Pacific Ocean.

• The USS Wasp is underway in the Atlantic Ocean for a Missile Exercise.

• The USS America is underway in the Pacific Ocean for Final Contract Trials off the coast of southern California.

• The USS Boxer is underway in the Pacific Ocean for sea trials.



The russian navy is deploying a strike group to the area:
>gulfnews.com...
>www.presstv.ir...


It is clear the situation is deteriorating rapidly.

Reminder to monitor websdr: websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901...#

The site now lists US EAM channels, Russian channels, and iranian and egyptian military channels.


Info Dump:

Saudi and co bomb Yemen, Turkey, UK and USA support the initiative
www.aljazeera.com...

Houthis seize CIA intel files

www.latimes.com...=1

President Hadi left Aden today, fleeing in a boat to Djibouti
www.google.com... da-073203837.html&ei=RycTVcyqBM_gaNG2gsgM&usg=AFQjCNFIFAdmGQhbZVgbWN5glLQ5CSxOZw&bvm=bv.89217033,d.d2s

UN envoy says Yemen on 'rapid downward spiral' as tensions rise
www.sabanews.net...
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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 01:07 AM
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a reply to: dug88
Continued:
susris.com...


Nathan J Hunt @ISNJH · 26m 26 minutes ago

For now main goal of Saudi operations in Yemen seem aimed at destroying air defense network, and storage sites of ballistic missiles.

Nathan J Hunt @ISNJH · 24m 24 minutes ago

with main goal of creating air control over Yemen while reducing capability of forces in Yemen to be able to respond to aircraft..

(twitter.com...)
www.arabnews.com...
www.arabnews.com...
Russia has prepositioned naval bases in the area already.
www.welt.de...

Russian fleets on alert
www.presstv.ir...
rudaw.net...

"We support Saudi Arabia's intervention," Erdoğan said. "Turkey may consider providing logistical support, depending on how the situation evolves,” he added.



Erdogan warned in his press conference that Iran must withdraw whatever forces it has in Yemen and Syria, and accused Tehran of trying to take over Iraq.



"Iran has to … withdraw any forces, whatever it has in Yemen, as well as Syria and Iraq and respect their territorial integrity."



He accused Iran of fighting to oust the Islamic State – or Daesh – in Iraq in order to boost its own power. Iran has “a sectarian agenda,” he said. Tehran “wants to fill the void that will be created by Daesh,” he added.

www.israelnationalnews.com...-eep0
www.ronpaulinstitute.org...
archive.today...
www.nationalinterest.org...

The United States has joined the battle for Tikrit by bombing ISIS positions, gambling that the move will strengthen its badly eroded influence in Iraq, rather than undermine it further by handing the Iran-backed Shia militias a victory that will make them even more powerful. By asking for U.S. intervention, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi is also gambling that U.S. intervention will be decisive in the success of the stalled battle, inflicting a major defeat on ISIS and humiliating the Iran-backed militias that, despite all their swagger, have proven unable to completely liberate the town.



If the Badr Brigade and other militias remain in the fight, the danger that the offensive would collapse on the ground, despite U.S. air support, would decrease, but the United States would find itself in a de facto alliance with Iran. This would further anger the Arab countries of the Gulf, which already suspect the United States of being willing to turn the security of the region over to Iran. The fact that Sunni participation in the battle for Tikrit has been minimal does not help.



The most positive outcome would be one in which the militias withdraw in protest, but a surge in the presence of Iraqi troops (special forces are reported to be on their way to Tikrit) carries the day, with Tikrit being liberated not by Iran-backed militias, but by the U.S.-backed Iraqi military. Judging on the United States’ own estimates of the conditions of the Iraqi army, it is not a likely scenario. U.S. intervention in the battle for Tikrit is not likely to pay off for either Abadi or Washington.

>www.chron.com...-7720971
archive.today...
susris.com...
Saudi Arabia claims it took 15 minutes to establish total control of Yemeni airspace and no ground troops are going in.

www.dailytimes.com.pk...
Pakis are trying to stay out, maybe because they have a sizable Shiite minority.

www.presstv.ir...
Iran says the UN should step in and Pakistan has been having Shiite protests against the war.
UPDATE:
Shiite Houthi forces shot down Saudi Arabia-led coalition jet in #Yemen, Sudanese pilot arrested.

rt.com...

www.youtube.com...=55

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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 01:19 AM
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Nice updates!

Thanks for the summary and pray this doesn't kick off the sh!tstorm.



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 01:25 AM
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a reply to: dug88

What is isreal doing?

If they are not moving it is just more Arab on Arab killing with western backed help.

Nothing new really, this war has been raging for over a thousand years.

It just gets boring and they take a break every couple if decades and come back with better equipment.

ETA- SnF op, great work BTW, reading still, a lot of data.

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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 01:27 AM
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originally posted by: infolurker
Nice updates!

Thanks for the summary and pray this doesn't kick off the sh!tstorm.


I may well be wrong.

But I pray I am right.

Otherwise.....well ATS, it has been fun, love you guys, the last ATSer standing should shut off the lights plz.



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 03:14 AM
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a reply to: dug88

Too many proxy wars going on at the moment, I wonder what's the event that's gonna spark WW3 (in case we are not there yet)



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 03:42 AM
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Great thread, good job on getting all the information in one place. Things are rapidly spiraling out of control. Yemen may very well be the trigger for a wider conflict. Now that Saudi Arabia have got involved, they are no longer pulling strings in the background via ISIS.



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 03:42 AM
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This is complete and total nonsense.



Iran russia and some of BRICS have chosen to back the houthi rebels in yemen, who are vying for control of the capital and seaports and oil fields. The US and anit houthi coalition, consisting of the saudis egypt and quatar, have chosen to backed the somewhat dodgy al quadia backed "yemen security forces" against the houthis.


Iran only may have supplied the Houthi rebels with arms. Not Russia and certainly not India, Brazil or South Africa. The US and Arab League are backing the elected government who have nothing to do with Al Quida other that they have alllowed US forces in Yemen for a decade to hunt them down. They are a seprate group and in conflict with other 3 sides. The 3rd being the Southern Movment another group wanting South Yemen to be a country again. And on top of the no Naval conflcit was fought between Iran and Egypt. Egypt ships had not even arrived when that claim was made.

And even worse the deploys a strike group to the area? With a link to the Noth Fleet being put on alert for execises two weeks ago. I get people want to make this more exciting that it is but, come on.



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 03:55 AM
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Wow how did they shoot down that plane? Im impressed!
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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 03:59 AM
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a reply to: FormOfTheLord

They may have got ahold of a piece of that 500 million $$ worth of weapons the US left behind .



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 04:28 AM
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Ideally, as long as the big-boys don't smack each other by accident (Russia, US, Nato assets) there should be really no big issues here.

If one of our battle groups, or a Russian ship gets blown up, it'll push things, rather badly, in the direction of a war.

Who knows tho, if WWIII is slated to start here, then thats how it's going to be.

Thanks for the news updates tho, always good to know whats brewing. I'll get the popcorn, who is bringing the beer?



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 04:39 AM
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originally posted by: Cygnis

I'll get the popcorn, who is bringing the beer?


I'll bring the beer.. and Vodka!


This # storm needs to happen sooner or later.. Who else agrees it's time??? Someone needs to hit the reset button soon...



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 04:41 AM
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a reply to: Cygnis

With Saudi directly involved you can expect Iran to step up its involvement. Once those two start anything then the powerhouses will get involved. We may very well see a direct attack from Saudi on Iran or vice versa. An unannounced attack from either side would kick things off, it boils down to Shia vs Sunni. And the Saudis said this would all happen before 9/11



Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: "The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them."

www.independent.co.uk...

Of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 15 of them were from Saudi Arabia, the reason for the US's involvement in the middle east for the last 14 years.

Saudi Arabia is also the most prominent beneficiary of ISIS. These guys are animals who want nothing more than a Sunni Caliphate in the middle east.
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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 04:53 AM
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originally posted by: dug88
The Latest

Russian Nuclear forces moved
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Live Updates
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For a military parade marking the 70th anniversary of Russia beating Germany in WWII.




originally posted by: dug88
Egyptian Navy and Iranian Navy Exchange Fire in Gulf of Aden

defence-blog.com...

No they did not.



originally posted by: dug88

US ARMY Hardware begins to enter UKRAINE. (Russia has said this is act of war if happened.)

defence-blog.com...

An act of war by giving Ukraine up armored Humvees?? Russia needs to stop being paranoid. Secondly Russia is still supplying Russian rebels in Ukraine.





originally posted by: dug88
Attention, possible war starting

So here's the deal. As we all know a few months ago the government of yemen collapsed. What has happened next is right out of a tom clancy novel on ww3.

Sure - Executive Orders comes to mind. Where Iran weaponized Ebola and attacked the US with it while invading / annexing Iraq to create the United Islamic Republic.




originally posted by: dug88
Iran russia and some of BRICS have chosen to back the houthi rebels in yemen, who are vying for control of the capital and seaports and oil fields. The US and anit houthi coalition, consisting of the saudis egypt and quatar, have chosen to backed the somewhat dodgy al quadia backed "yemen security forces" against the houthis.

BRICS does not support the Houthis. The Houthis are backed / financed and armed by Iran, just as Hezbollah is.




originally posted by: dug88
Initially this was just a proxy war. But now its rapidly escalating. The Iranians have been using the babab el mendib straight to re supply their side. The egyptians got wise to this and blockaded their convoy. The result? There is now an open naval engagement with warning shots and everything between egyptian and iranian naval forces, which are now deadlocked in a standoff in the straight.

no they are not.





originally posted by: dug88
Significant factors
The us has diverted the carl s vinson carrier strike group and LHD 1 to the area. According to this strafor report another carrier group may be leaving for the area from the UK within the week:.snipped

They are routine deployment cycles. The reason for the large list for that region is the Persian Gulf falls into the US 5th Fleet's area of responsibility and the Med falls under the US 6th fleet.





originally posted by: dug88
The russian navy is deploying a strike group to the area:
>gulfnews.com...

This is about Egypt deploying their navy.



originally posted by: dug88
>www.presstv.ir...

This is about the snap drills Putin ordered which, btw, ended around March 20th.





originally posted by: dug88
It is clear the situation is deteriorating rapidly.

Is it? Or is it being portrayed that way by using misleading comments that sources don't support while injecting opinion while portraying it as something from a news article?





originally posted by: dug88
Saudi and co bomb Yemen, Turkey, UK and USA support the initiative
www.aljazeera.com...

The countries listed are not the only countries who support it.




originally posted by: dug88
Houthis seize CIA intel files

www.latimes.com...=1

again no they did not. Your own source says something different.





originally posted by: dug88
President Hadi left Aden today, fleeing in a boat to Djibouti
www.google.com... da-073203837.html&ei=RycTVcyqBM_gaNG2gsgM&usg=AFQjCNFIFAdmGQhbZVgbWN5glLQ5CSxOZw&bvm=bv.89217033,d.d2s

He is now in Riyadh.




originally posted by: dug88
UN envoy says Yemen on 'rapid downward spiral' as tensions rise
www.sabanews.net...

Yup - The UN has not only been following but has been updated by Saudi Arabia. Currently they are requesting an arms embargo that can be militarily enforced to the UNSC.
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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 04:58 AM
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it boils down to Shia vs Sunni.


And that's the scary part.. This war between the two has gone on 2,000+ years.. And for what?? This is like the difference between a Presbyterian vs a Baptist. It's quite nutty, and I even consider myself a "Christian" of the non-denominational kind.

The U.S./Russia could care less about whatever religion they are, these people are pawns in an international power struggle. God help all of the people stuck in the middle.

I do think that these "proxy" wars will have to die out soon. Things are so heated now that something will eventually break. Russia and the U.S. need a direct war, because too many innocents have been in their cross-hairs for too long.
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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 05:04 AM
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I do think that these "proxy" wars will have to die out soon. Things are so heated now that something will eventually break. Russia and the U.S. need a direct war, because too many innocents have been in their crossfires for too long.


They will hold it off as long as possible to refrain from having the horrors that the middle east has suffered from visiting their own borders. Once it does happen it will be horrific. When the innocents from their own countries start dying it will be a dose of reality that no one wants.



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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originally posted by: dug88
Russia has prepositioned naval bases in the area already.
www.welt.de...

Your article is from 2009...

So is my source -

Sputnik - Russian Navy dismisses foreign base rumors

Media rumors concerning the possible deployment of a Russian naval base in Yemen are false, a Russian Navy spokesman has said.




originally posted by: dug88
Russian fleets on alert
www.presstv.ir...

As I stated before Russia ended the snap drills so the northern fleet is not being deployed anywhere for the time being.



originally posted by: dug88
rudaw.net...

"We support Saudi Arabia's intervention," Erdoğan said. "Turkey may consider providing logistical support, depending on how the situation evolves,” he added.



Erdogan warned in his press conference that Iran must withdraw whatever forces it has in Yemen and Syria, and accused Tehran of trying to take over Iraq.



"Iran has to … withdraw any forces, whatever it has in Yemen, as well as Syria and Iraq and respect their territorial integrity."



He accused Iran of fighting to oust the Islamic State – or Daesh – in Iraq in order to boost its own power. Iran has “a sectarian agenda,” he said. Tehran “wants to fill the void that will be created by Daesh,” he added.

www.israelnationalnews.com...-eep0
www.ronpaulinstitute.org...
archive.today...

Not only has Turkey weighed in but Pakistan has as well, noting they will protect Saudi Arabia against threats.
Pakistan will defend S. Arabia but not escalate conflict: govt (RE Yemen)






originally posted by: dug88
www.nationalinterest.org...

The United States has joined the battle for Tikrit by bombing ISIS positions, gambling that the move will strengthen its badly eroded influence in Iraq, rather than undermine it further by handing the Iran-backed Shia militias a victory that will make them even more powerful. By asking for U.S. intervention, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi is also gambling that U.S. intervention will be decisive in the success of the stalled battle, inflicting a major defeat on ISIS and humiliating the Iran-backed militias that, despite all their swagger, have proven unable to completely liberate the town.



If the Badr Brigade and other militias remain in the fight, the danger that the offensive would collapse on the ground, despite U.S. air support, would decrease, but the United States would find itself in a de facto alliance with Iran. This would further anger the Arab countries of the Gulf, which already suspect the United States of being willing to turn the security of the region over to Iran. The fact that Sunni participation in the battle for Tikrit has been minimal does not help.



The most positive outcome would be one in which the militias withdraw in protest, but a surge in the presence of Iraqi troops (special forces are reported to be on their way to Tikrit) carries the day, with Tikrit being liberated not by Iran-backed militias, but by the U.S.-backed Iraqi military. Judging on the United States’ own estimates of the conditions of the Iraqi army, it is not a likely scenario. U.S. intervention in the battle for Tikrit is not likely to pay off for either Abadi or Washington.

>www.chron.com...-7720971
archive.today...

Iraq requested the air strikes in Tikrit.




originally posted by: dug88
susris.com...
Saudi Arabia claims it took 15 minutes to establish total control of Yemeni airspace and no ground troops are going in.

Nothing new here.





originally posted by: dug88
www.dailytimes.com.pk...
Pakis are trying to stay out, maybe because they have a sizable Shiite minority.

They are allies with Saudi Arabia.





originally posted by: dug88
www.presstv.ir...
Iran says the UN should step in and Pakistan has been having Shiite protests against the war.
UPDATE:
Shiite Houthi forces shot down Saudi Arabia-led coalition jet in #Yemen, Sudanese pilot arrested.

rt.com...

www.youtube.com...=55


Interesting.. Iran wants the UN to step in yet does all it can to keep them out with regards to their nuke program. As for Pakistan and just to clarify, they are protesting about whats occurring in Yemen and not about what the Pakistani government is doing. Opposition leaders warned Musharraf against assisting even though Musharraf already stated they wont be involved.


I will give you credit in trying to put together a meaningful and information packed post complete with sources. You might want to look at dates though since some of your speculation revolved around information that ranges from a few weeks to a few years old.

Aside from that I appreciate you linking your sources so we can read them.

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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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I am in agreement, but it's inevitable, unfortunately. It's going to be hell on earth. I can't for the life of me, understand why the Sunnis/Shiites refuse to find some common ground. They are BOTH muslims, with slight differences, yet this small technicality will most likely end in a WWIII scenario eventually. Both Russia and the U.S. know this and are using it to their advantages, it's all just an elaborate excuse.

This is a case where I truly believe TPTB elitists from both sides of the WWIII fence are using "religion" to their advantages..
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posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 05:15 AM
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How is it that so many are involved in this ?

"This is for the first time that the Zionists are conducting a joint operation in coalition with Arabs," Secretary General of Yemen's Al-Haq Political Party Hassan Zayd wrote on his facebook page.
He noted that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had issued direct orders for the Israeli air force to send fighter jets to the Saudi-led air raid on Yemen.
Saudi Arabia launched airstrikes against Yemen and killed, at least, 25 civilians early Thursday, one day after the US-backed Yemeni president fled the country.
Also, 15 more people were killed and injured in a second round of massive attacks by the Saudi Arabian fighter jets in the Northwestern Yemeni city of Sa’ada on Friday.
Yemen’s al-Massira TV reported that the Saudi air force targeted the Yemeni's civilians who were shopping in a market.
Five Persian Gulf States -- Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait -- backed by the US have declared war on Yemen in a joint statement issued earlier Thursday.
US President Barack Obama authorized the provision of logistical and intelligence support to the military operations, National Security Council Spokesperson Bernadette Meehan said late Wednesday night.
She added that while US forces were not taking direct military action in Yemen, Washington was establishing a Joint Planning Cell with Saudi Arabia to coordinate US military and intelligence support.
english.farsnews.com...



posted on Mar, 28 2015 @ 05:17 AM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

if you are referring to other nations I would surmise it comes from their dislike of Iran and its stated goals for the region. I think it might also have to do with just how weak Obama really is and that he cannot be trusted when it comes to supporting allies.

With Iran involved in Syria and Iraq its also possible the Saudis did not want their southern border to have an Iranian presence.
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