GOP Congresswoman Asks For Obamacare Horror Stories, Gets Dose Of Reality Instead

Here is the deal with Obamacare. If you couldnt get insurance because of pre existing insurance you love it. a mojority of those on obamacare are actually in medicaid which is the worst kind of healthcare but it's better then what they had. I find your opinion on Obamacare like most thing politcal are based on how it affected the individual.

Here is my experience.

Had insurance for years that paid for a surgery, gave me easy access to any doctor, and let me use my DR who I had had for over 10 years. I liked my plan and loved my doctor.

In comes OBamacare and simply because I had a pre existing clause in my plan for something I should never have to worry about my plan was cancelled.

So shopped Heathcare.gov and best plan based on supposed coverage and cost ended up costing me 39% more for premium. And no plan would allow me to keep my Doctor!

Recently hate throat irritation and it took me 3 weeks to see my primary care. I was referred to a specialist. There where 5 on my plan. After calling all 5 only two take my plan, one was 100 miles away and would take 3 weeks and other a little closer 3 weeks. BTW the ENT doctor visit I sat in the waiting room for 2 hours before being seen.

Pre Obamacre the entire process above would have been done in a week or two and paid less!

I wouldnt call this a horrow story but I will give Obamacare a big fat F!

So I didnt get to keep my D

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Cuervo

Exactly, most people that are in that " I can't afford it" qualify for the subsides that are in there.

There are no medicare plans in my state or even 1/2 the states that cover most if the poor BTW.

Guess you forgot about that.

a reply to: Ultralight

I don't know if you're blowing smoke or not, which is why I said back up what you have to say. So back it up.

You implied that if you Poll California that you would find that the majority disapprove of ObamaCare. Ok fine. You seem to have the data to suggest that so show it. Otherwise it's called your opinion and we all have one of those and they are all equally invalid.

Do you understand what I'm asking you now???

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: roaland

You need to back up and read this post.

Obamacare enforcement, does anyone actually believe this?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Congress purposely omitted any means for the gov. to peruse any other avenue of collecting or penalizing people that refused to participate. All they have the legal authority to do is capture your income tax refund, if any. So, go to your employer and revise your w-4 to include enough exemption to actually having to pay in a little tax instead of getting a refund and you are in the clear....


Edit: Maybe I should have stated revise your w-4 to limit youre refund to the absolute minimum instead of having to pay in a little. Either way the gove. has no other avenue to collect.

You do know the poor depend on their income tax return to buy important things like cars washing machines school clothes for their kids.

So taking that from them is a huge deal.

I guess you wouldn't know since you aren't poor.

Must be nice to have plenty and complain that those with so little aren't paying enough.

I will use the right's words on this "if you can't afford it..how is that our problem" "work harder make more money"..etc.

Of course those words only count when it is others being effected and not themselves.

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Cuervo
It seems like most of the people complaining are people who paid the penalty... which means they didn't actually sign up. Those people are essentially complaining about NOT having Obama Care.

The prices they are quoting don't line up with what the costs actually are when I looked and when everybody I know who has it looked. This tells me that the majority of people who think it's too expensive are basing the costs off of some conservative blog they read.

At least in person, this is always the case with people. They'll say "Obama Care can kiss mah ass, it's too expensive!" Then I'll ask "Oh? How much was it?" and their reply is normally something like "According to Rush Limbaugh, it's $$$$". My goodness, people.

And what state do you live in?

You know different states have different prices right?

You know there are 50 states?

You know it is illegal to sell cheaper plans across state lines?

Hint this would have fixed the issue much better.

Who are you kidding? That wouldn't fix squat.

Have you ever heard the old saying, "You get what you pay for?" Not to mention, what would happen to State's Rights?

The reason those policies can't be sold across state lines is due to the fact that they're junk policies that don't meet the other state's minimum insurance requirements.

So am I to assume that despite the fact that different states have different insurance requirements, you want the federal govt. to step in and force states to allow out-of-state junk policies to be sold in their states? Just for the sake of claiming people are insured?

As a general rule of thumb, you get what you pay for and when someone offers to sell you something for a price that's well below the market average, there's usually a catch. In other words, they're selling you a policy for less because they plan on covering less.

The truth of the matter is that health insurance companies make their profits by denying claims and they're experts at disguising their avenues for claims denials in lengthy legal contracts that claimants don't recognize until it's too late. That's why some states don't allow those policies to be peddled within their boundaries.

If you really want to fix the ACA, or the healthcare insurance dilemma current facing our nation, you should demand a universal, single-payer, not-for-profit healthcare system for America. One where basic & preventative care is afforded to everyone through a national program like Medicare.

You know, like most every other industrialized nation across the globe.

America basically subsidies the rest of the world's healthcare.

There's no WAY the national healthcare systems in Europe would pay $10 for an aspirin -- but they'll charge that here at the hospital!

originally posted by: roaland
a reply to: Cuervo

my employer wants to charge to $80 buck a month so yes its too god damn expensive and i cant afford it which is why I"m taking the penalty from last year and this year.

I'm working on cutting back as much as i can just to squeeze in that $80 bucks so pardon me of my temper gets a little #ing short from others telling me how affordable this # is. If its so goddamn affordable, why do i have to completely #ing change my lifestyle just to pay for it? shove your avordable care act right up your ass, I don't go to a doctor in the first damn place so I'd just be paying for this # to let it collect dust, bull# is what it is. can't believe this horse #.

Until something happens and you need health care... then we will be paying for you. That's how it's always been with uninsured people. This is the step to correct that. You are a liability to the rest of us who are insured. The penalty is to help balance that, as well.

It will be nationalized someday and we'll remember Obamacare being the ugly band-aid removal moment we needed to wake us up to the unnecessarily expensive healthcare monopoly. We'll get there. I'm sorry you are having trouble getting healthcare. Seriously, it sucks; been there most of my life.

From what I have seen it seems to me this bill hurts the lower middle class the most. People who are basically living paycheck to paycheck now have an additional $100+ bill to pay on top of that. I worked at a dealership as a lot tech for a while making 8.50 an hour and had to attend a mandatory meeting for this health insurance thing.

I looked at how much I would have to pay for just the basic stuff and it was $100 a mo. and it barely covered anything! That was 7% of my monthly income for a plan that does almost nothing. I am thankful enough to still be under my parents plan from Anthem and to have anything comparable to that it was going to be 200+ a month or 14% of my income. When you factor in all the other bills you have to pay, rent, utilities, food, student loans, car payment, mandantory car insurance, gas, cellphone, etc. what is left to pay for health insurance?

These are the things the Government just doesn't consider when they create bills that force you to have to purchase things such as insurance. There was a reason why people didn't purchase healthcare before and many still have trouble affording it!

originally posted by: roaland
a reply to: Cuervo

my employer wants to charge to $80 buck a month so yes its too god damn expensive and i cant afford it which is why I"m taking the penalty from last year and this year.

I'm working on cutting back as much as i can just to squeeze in that $80 bucks so pardon me of my temper gets a little #ing short from others telling me how affordable this # is. If its so goddamn affordable, why do i have to completely #ing change my lifestyle just to pay for it? shove your avordable care act right up your ass, I don't go to a doctor in the first damn place so I'd just be paying for this # to let it collect dust, bull# is what it is. can't believe this horse #.

Did it ever dawn on you that maybe, just maybe, it's your employer who's screwing you to the wall?

How much do you think your employer makes from your monthly work efforts contributed to his company?

Do you think he/she hired you so that they could make a whopping $80 bucks a month extra? I'll bet not.

Truth be told, most employers wouldn't add to their employee base for less than $80 per day in additional profits.

It's areas like this where unions play a very important role because they actually calculate the employee's value to the company and demand fair compensation.

If anything, the Feds. are fighting for your right to affordable health care and you're defending the guy who's screwing you out of it.

originally posted by: sirlancelot
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No, it's okay. The substance in your response is on par with the types of people I was talking about. "sheeple", "libtards", "man crush Obama"... wow, you really have all your bases covered.

Hard to argue with an airtight rhetoric like that. You win. I'm just gonna hop in my hybrid with my Hillary t-shirt and drive home to the Whole Foods store where I rent out a loft from a pot-head. After I cast my vote on the death panel for everybody's grandmothers, that is. Oh, I almost forgot, then I have to fulfill my weekly gun-grabbing quota and take them to FEMA where Michelle Obama is waiting to trade them to me for free abortions.

a reply to: Cuervo

Not true. I believe in healthcare for all,but this doesn't work out well. My brother who is disabled,has no job at all.He can not work due to his disability,his monthly cost? $6500. Now someone that is unemployed is going to afford that? His copay is another $6500. That is insane.it keeps people off of it. Now I was told it is because he falls into the category of those that are supposed to get medicaid,but guess what? Medicaid is NOT expanded here in Missouri so he can't get it.So he is left in a catch 22 position where he can't get health care at all.But low and behold,he will be penalized for not having healthcare next year,make sense?

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: Cuervo

Not true. I believe in healthcare for all,but this doesn't work out well. My brother who is disabled,has no job at all.He can not work due to his disability,his monthly cost? $6500. Now someone that is unemployed is going to afford that? His copay is another $6500. That is insane.it keeps people off of it. Now I was told it is because he falls into the category of those that are supposed to get medicaid,but guess what? Medicaid is NOT expanded here in Missouri so he can't get it.So he is left in a catch 22 position where he can't get health care at all.But low and behold,he will be penalized for not having healthcare next year,make sense?

That's horrible. At the very least, he should be exempt or at least make the state pay for it since their legislators obviously think he doesn't need healthcare.

Speaking of which do you blame his predicament on Medicaid and Obamacare or Missouri for screwing him over?

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Cuervo
It seems like most of the people complaining are people who paid the penalty... which means they didn't actually sign up. Those people are essentially complaining about NOT having Obama Care.

The prices they are quoting don't line up with what the costs actually are when I looked and when everybody I know who has it looked. This tells me that the majority of people who think it's too expensive are basing the costs off of some conservative blog they read.

At least in person, this is always the case with people. They'll say "Obama Care can kiss mah ass, it's too expensive!" Then I'll ask "Oh? How much was it?" and their reply is normally something like "According to Rush Limbaugh, it's $$$$". My goodness, people.

I may be breaking some rules but your responses are delusional much like your man crush Obama! If someone says they where harmed by this #ty law that Obama lied about to get passed and elected then let it be. So sick of the sheeple libtards pervading the net!

No, it's okay. The substance in your response is on par with the types of people I was talking about. "sheeple", "libtards", "man crush Obama"... wow, you really have all your bases covered.

Hard to argue with an airtight rhetoric like that. You win. I'm just gonna hop in my hybrid with my Hillary t-shirt and drive home to the Whole Foods store where I rent out a loft from a pot-head. After I cast my vote on the death panel for everybody's grandmothers, that is. Oh, I almost forgot, then I have to fulfill my weekly gun-grabbing quota and take them to FEMA where Michelle Obama is waiting to trade them to me for free abortions.

I posted something of substance before my response to your troll post! Feel free to respond to that partner!

a reply to: Cuervo

first of all, those things are all paid for using property taxes and other taxes. THose things are what govts are supose to be doing with our tax dollars.

as far as everyone elses commments on mine, think what you want, I've been at my job since 2004, get my background check ran every year (I work in security) to make sure i have a clean record. that $80 dollar quote is what it is. beleive me or not i really give less then a damn. Face it everyone who loves this bill, its a bad bill thats even worse for this country.

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Cuervo
It seems like most of the people complaining are people who paid the penalty... which means they didn't actually sign up. Those people are essentially complaining about NOT having Obama Care.

The prices they are quoting don't line up with what the costs actually are when I looked and when everybody I know who has it looked. This tells me that the majority of people who think it's too expensive are basing the costs off of some conservative blog they read.

At least in person, this is always the case with people. They'll say "Obama Care can kiss mah ass, it's too expensive!" Then I'll ask "Oh? How much was it?" and their reply is normally something like "According to Rush Limbaugh, it's $$$$". My goodness, people.

I may be breaking some rules but your responses are delusional much like your man crush Obama! If someone says they where harmed by this #ty law that Obama lied about to get passed and elected then let it be. So sick of the sheeple libtards pervading the net!

No, it's okay. The substance in your response is on par with the types of people I was talking about. "sheeple", "libtards", "man crush Obama"... wow, you really have all your bases covered.

Hard to argue with an airtight rhetoric like that. You win. I'm just gonna hop in my hybrid with my Hillary t-shirt and drive home to the Whole Foods store where I rent out a loft from a pot-head. After I cast my vote on the death panel for everybody's grandmothers, that is. Oh, I almost forgot, then I have to fulfill my weekly gun-grabbing quota and take them to FEMA where Michelle Obama is waiting to trade them to me for free abortions.

I posted something of substance before my response to your troll post! Feel free to respond to that partner!

I did see that. Starred it, in fact, because it was different from what I normally hear. Which is why your response to me deflated my hopes by confirming my original opinion of most ACA critics.

Your first post in this thread sounds legit, like I said. The former system sucked for a lot of people and this one sucks for a lot of people... just not as many.