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Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signs controversial 'religious freedom' bill

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posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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SNEAKY LAWS & BILLS

The anti-gays were losing their fight. So they've tried to come up with Sneaky Language that doesn't specifically mention LGBT.

Guide for identifying sneaky, homophobic laws



While LGBT Americans are busy celebrating the spread of marriage equality, homophobic lawmakers have yet another trick up their sleeve. A new trend hitting legislatures across the country: sneaky laws that erode civil rights for LGBT citzens without ever actually mentioning LGBT people, or even same-sex marriage.


www.advocate.com...




posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

If you can't answer a simple question with simple truth, that means you're lying or have some hidden agenda. Whey do we tolerate this type of doublespeak from our politicians? Just answer the question.



His arrogance got in the way?

I heard he's planning a presidential run. He's flashing his pearly whites to the extreme Christians he thinks will vote for him?

I don't believe for one second his evasion has anything to do with him not knowing exactly what this bill is meant to do.



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 01:04 PM
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(CNN)Indiana's top two state lawmakers pledged Monday to amend the state's controversial "religious freedom" law to clarify that it cannot be used to discriminate against gay people.

Republicans David Long and Brian Bosma, the state legislature's senate president pro tempore and house speaker, respectively, insisted Monday that the law would not and was not intended to allow discrimination against anyone.

"It is not the intent of the law to discriminate against anyone and it will not be allowed to discriminate against anyone," Long said. "To the extent that we need to clarify through legislative action that this law does not and will not be allowed to discriminate against anyone, we plan to do just that."

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The top two lawmakers in the state will clarify through legislative action to insure gays are not discriminated against in there state.



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

I believe it when I see it.
This law was intended to do exactly that, and they know it. The fact they are lying publicly about the intention of this law originally shows that they really cannot be trusted to change it. I pretty much expect them to change a couple of words here and there, but keep it the same.

If they cannot even admit that this law was a discriminatory law, why would anyone trust them when they say they want to make it so that it cannot be used to discriminate?

Here's an idea, how about removing it, and then replacing it with a law stating that no business, organization or entity within the state of Indiana can legally refuse service to anyone based on religious beliefs, gender, sexual orientation, race or disability? This would cover everyone and everything, right? The religious will have their religious protections (as they have always had) and the LGBT citizens, employees and guests to the state will have their protections from discrimination too.

Come on guys, it's really not that hard to do, several states have the same laws already.

Until Indiana does this it will not entirely resolve this issue.
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posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire




The top two lawmakers in the state will clarify through legislative action to insure gays are not discriminated against in there state.


That should be interesting, considering that, currently, Indiana has no state law protecting LGBT people.



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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The bill signing makes Indiana the 20th state in the nation to adopt such legislation. It is modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which President Bill Clinton signed in 1993.



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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There are 29 states where you can be fired for being gay.




posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: Greven

It seems as if there was quite a lot of hullabaloo over what appears to be fairly unremarkable legislation.


What it allows is: if you refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding, and want to sue. The business can use religion as reason for their discrimination in court.

So, it allows business to discriminate because legally who they discriminate against can not win in court.




The law allows Indianans who are sued for discrimination to cite their religious beliefs as a defense. It applies to a broad range of situations. An employer who refused to hire Jewish employees could cite his religious beliefs as a defense against discrimination lawsuits. So could a landlord who refused to rent to Muslims, or a business that refused to serve atheists. www.motherjones.com...




posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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It's great to see a vast majority of ATS members are appalled by this.

Seems to me that the State is going to loose big bucks and other states will realise that they too will be hit in the pocket if they implement similar state laws.




posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: LDragonFire




The top two lawmakers in the state will clarify through legislative action to insure gays are not discriminated against in there state.


That should be interesting, considering that, currently, Indiana has no state law protecting LGBT people.


Right.

What they're doing is getting laws in place to stop equality - - even if laws are made to allow it.



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: Autorico

Lets resolve this one under the banner of the much heralded liberal value of "diversity". Let the LGBT couple take their wedding cake to the shop that welcomes their business (certainly many can be found who's cakes are just as good!) and let the owner of the bakery with religious reservations to cater to other business. That way everyone's freedom is respected and maintained, and the community maintains its tolerance of opposing viewpoints!



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
The bill signing makes Indiana the 20th state in the nation to adopt such legislation. It is modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which President Bill Clinton signed in 1993.


But is it real religious freedom for all religions or just Christianity?

No one is fooled...it's not about freedom of religion...It's about discrimination against citizens and taxpayers of the US that just might not fit into the homophobic Christian ideology or narrow Right wing, conform or else, mindset.

imo the Christian right knows they failed with Roe vs Wade and are now trying to use gays as their new scapegoat. In their short sided analysis they forgot to take into consideration that the vast majority of Americans are more tolerant than the Rush Limbaugh worshipers.




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posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc
The bill signing makes Indiana the 20th state in the nation to adopt such legislation. It is modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which President Bill Clinton signed in 1993.


Mis-using a law to discriminate that was never meant for that.




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posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NavyDoc
The bill signing makes Indiana the 20th state in the nation to adopt such legislation. It is modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which President Bill Clinton signed in 1993.


Mis-using a law to discriminate that was never meant for that.





Will gay people soon have to wear an identifying arm bands like the Jews had to with their "star of David" during the Nazi years?

A new Theocracy spearheaded by the Right Wing....



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: skeptikal1
Let the LGBT couple take their wedding cake to the shop that welcomes their business (certainly many can be found who's cakes are just as good!) and let the owner of the bakery with religious reservations to cater to other business.


Anyone besides me tired of the lame: they can take their business elsewhere?

We are a secular government. Businesses are not church. They are regulated by a secular government.

You bake wedding cakes - - you bake wedding cakes - - Period!



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NavyDoc
The bill signing makes Indiana the 20th state in the nation to adopt such legislation. It is modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which President Bill Clinton signed in 1993.


Mis-using a law to discriminate that was never meant for that.





Will gay people soon have to wear an identifying arm bands like the Jews had to with their "star of David" during the Nazi years?

A new Theocracy spearheaded by the Right Wing....


. . . . don't forget the Atheist symbol.



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NavyDoc
The bill signing makes Indiana the 20th state in the nation to adopt such legislation. It is modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which President Bill Clinton signed in 1993.


Mis-using a law to discriminate that was never meant for that.





But the state law is the same as the federal law, sponsored by Charlies Schumer and signed by Bill Clinton. The wording is essentially the same.



posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: skeptikal1
a reply to: Autorico

Lets resolve this one under the banner of the much heralded liberal value of "diversity". Let the LGBT couple take their wedding cake to the shop that welcomes their business (certainly many can be found who's cakes are just as good!) and let the owner of the bakery with religious reservations to cater to other business. That way everyone's freedom is respected and maintained, and the community maintains its tolerance of opposing viewpoints!


Most people would choose to use a business that wants to serve them.
The problem occurs when a "Christian" business starts ranting about their "religious rights" when their rights have not been impeded on in any way.

Here's the deal, for those who are still ignorant enough to not understand it...

It is not your place to use business as a means to inflict your religious notions onto others. You do not get to decide, as a public facing business, which people in that community you will serve. You do not get to put a "no blacks" sign on you window.

If you are incapable of serving someone based on nothing more than your own ignorant beliefs, close your business and make way for one that is more than happy to take any and all business it can get from all citizens of a state or city.

If you want to demand the right to refuse to serve LGBT people, you also stand for the right to put a "no blacks" sign in a window of a business. And if you still don't understand how sickening this is in 2015, there is no hope for you and you might as well go and join a backward cult commune in Texas.
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posted on Mar, 30 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NavyDoc
The bill signing makes Indiana the 20th state in the nation to adopt such legislation. It is modeled on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which President Bill Clinton signed in 1993.


Mis-using a law to discriminate that was never meant for that.





But the state law is the same as the federal law, sponsored by Charlies Schumer and signed by Bill Clinton. The wording is essentially the same.


They are mis-using a law that was intended for specific reasons.

Loophole to discriminate..




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